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Donald Trump - the Ultimate RINO

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posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 09:53 AM
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That's right... I, a fervent Trump supporter, just called Donald J. Trump, the sitting, 45th President of the United States of America, a "Republican in Name Only."

It's no joke; I mean it. Sincerely. Please, let me explain.

For most of my life, I have been faced every two years with a choice: Do I vote for the Democrat or the Republican? It's not that big a deal in the local elections, as the people running are both usually known to me and the party platforms are not as strictly adhered to. But in the national elections, there is the concern over party platform. There is a lot of pressure on those we send to Washington DC to follow those party platforms.

So I do look at the platforms. And for most of my life, the Republican platform was biased toward wealthier individuals and the Democrat platform was biased toward poorer individuals. But that changed in 1980 when another RINO came into power: Ronald Reagan. He wasn't like the other Republicans. He considered those in need as well as those in prosperity. He helped the country to recover from a failed MidEast foreign policy disaster (some anyway) and in the process eased the pressure skyrocketing gas prices and rationing had placed on people. The Democratic party had started to focus on minorities instead of just the impoverished, reversing their previous platform positions (which were quite racist, as was the Republican platform) and that left a whole lot of poor white folks feeling totally left out and abandoned. 1980 was the year the South switched from solid Democrat to solid Republican.

Since then, the Republicans have moved back toward their earlier position... they supported the wealthier Americans, with the only real advocacy to those in poverty being, "make the economy stronger." Well, that's a good thing; we certainly need a strong economy. But capitalism alone won't fix the problems. We also need to ensure that every citizen has a chance to pursue their American Dream.

That American Dream is different for everyone, too. The American Dream is the freedom to succeed, and success is not the same for everyone. Success is "the ongoing achievement of worthwhile, pre-determined, personal goals." The "personal" part means that no one can say what someone else's American Dream is, because that dream is success and success is personal. Some have money as their dream, lots and lots of money. Not me. As long as I can pay my bills and work on my projects, it is enough. Some see social acceptance as their dream; not me. I couldn't care less if my circle of friends is limited to a handful of people, as long as it's the right people. There are as many versions of the American Dream as there are Americans.

So it is obvious that freedom is the key to the American Dream. Freedom to follow the goals that one establishes for oneself. Freedom to live the life one wishes to live. Sure, we have laws that exist to ensure fairness, but those laws have, for the most part, been pretty lax in terms of tightly controlling people's lives. That is, they were until recently when we saw things such as Global Warming trying to force everyone to follow certain lifestyles and anti-discrimination laws that went overboard to the point of establishing who could succeed where based on skin color or sexual issues.

If you want to see an actual Republican, look no farther than either of the Bushes. Both were classic Republicans. Their primary concern was business advancement, with the same old excuse that more business automatically results in better conditions for the poor as well. Sorry, but that's not completely true. Business exists to make a profit, period. It will make that profit any way it can. The personality of those who own it do have some effect on the working conditions and hiring practices, but the bottom line is still money.

We need those businesses; don't get me wrong! They do provide jobs and products, and those are good things. But we also want fairness between the workers and the owners. That fairness does not extend to the workers being as important to the business as the owners and receiving the same compensation; that is simply ludicrous. But it does extend to making a decent wage for the work they do, and being treated humanely. "For the work they do" is the key phrase there... no one should expect to have a high standard of living for putting slot A into tab B. Education (including trade skills!) is important here.

Now, I just repeated several of the Democrat party platform planks... so why do I support Trump? Because, as I started this thread saying, Donald Trump is not a classic Republican. In fact, he is more of an Independent than anything... he was a registered Democrat, then a third-party supporter (Reform Party), and now he is registered as a Republican. That's far from being a lifelong, dyed-in-the-wool Republican!

No, he's a RINO... an infiltrator into the Republican Party. I keep hearing how John McCain was a RINO, or that Mitt Romney is a RINO... no, sorry, they're Republicans! Donald Trump is the RINO. And in his wake, the Republican Party is changing as more RINOs enter. That's a good thing, because it brings balance to the party. And right now, we need balance in the Republican Party desperately, as the Democrat Party is itself being invaded by "Democrats in Name Only"... the DINOs.

The DINOS are the progressives... Nancy Pelosi is a DINO (one of the originals). "Mad Maxine" Waters is a DINO. AOC is a DINO. Ilhan Omar is a DINO. Hank Thompson is a DINO. Chuck Schumer is a DINO. The list goes on and on and on... and this infiltration started even before Reagan was elected. Today, it has changed the party into something alien to what it once was... and has added a serious criminal element to the criminal element that has always existed in politics.

A wise man once said to me, "the only thing that doesn't change is the fact that everything changes." I don't know if that was his saying or not; maybe he got it somewhere. But it is true. Everything changes with time, and those who do not realize those changes will find themselves in the sad position of hurting themselves in order to harm others. Both parties have changed, and we should all realize this. The Democratic Party once was the party of slavery and segregation; George C. Wallace was a staunch Democrat when he stood on the schoolhouse steps in Selma, Alabama to physically stop the court-ordered school integration. The first ever Republican President presided over the nigh-complete destruction of half of the country.

It seems to me that most of the complaints against Trump are complaints against his party affiliation... and if we were talking about the same Republican Party that brought us the Patriot Act, sure, that would be logical. But this is not the same Republican Party. Elements of that era still exist, yes, but it is those elements that are also complaining about Trump. Those elements are the true Republicans. So please, don't call them RINOs... they're Republicans. Trump, and many of the newer Republican leaders, are the true RINOS.

And I proudly support the RINOs.

TheRedneck




posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 10:04 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

The danger (in my humble opinion) is that the true leftists, those republican and democrats that want the status quo back, will usurp Trump and the progress his administration has made.

At the detriment of us, the lowly American people.

It's not like they actually care about us, they want to serve their own needs, not ours.

What you say is true, but we're heading into dangerous and deep waters.



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 10:26 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

You're not alone. I think that's why Trump enjoys the support he does. People are coming to realize that he is doing good things.

The one thing that seems to be holding him back is the party he rode into office, and that was the reason for the thread. Trump is not a Republican... he is the RINO. If people can come to understand that, they will likely look at him in a different light.

TheRedneck



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 10:46 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

A big reason that I voted for trump was that he isn't a career politician.

I don't care what party someone claims to be.
What does bother me is people like Biden, pelosi and "insert name here" politicians that have been in elected positions for decades and tell me they are going to fix things...
Why haven't they fixed everything already?

You failed...

At least trump is trying a different approach.



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 11:02 AM
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a reply to: Bluntone22

That's the point: if you want a different approach, you have to have different ideologies. Party loyalty is an indication of ideology; nothing more. So if you vote for a classic Republican, expect to get classic Republican results: a more robust economy, but also increased wage discrepancy and reduced aid programs. If you vote for a Democrat, expect to get a struggling economy but more aid programs. We needed something different. We needed a RINO named Trump.

Today, we only have a choice between RINO and DINO... there is no Republican running (that has a snowball's chance in hell), and the only people running on the Democrat ticket are DINOs. So we can drop the classic Democrat vs. Republican mantra and look at policy.

TheRedneck



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 11:02 AM
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IMO, Trump is more of an illusion than you're giving him credit for here. He is none of those things and all of those things at the same time. Because (again, IMHO) we haven't seen anything truly different in this country for ages. Your first clue is how you even know who Donald Trump is in the first place. The MSM didn't make him a household name by accident (IMO) or coincidence.

They never do. Anyone you have ever heard of is all the same. I have a pretty good nose for when something stinks and something stinks to high heaven.
edit on 8-6-2019 by BrianFlanders because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 11:08 AM
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Response to TheRedneck....

Of course he's a RINO. He's not a republican, he's a conservative nationalist, 25% socialist because he does believe in helping people and 75% capitalist as he knows how to work the system.

I thought everybody knew this, well, except maybe democrats, progressives and sjws that have a delusional sense of reality.

Cheers - Dave



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 11:11 AM
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a reply to: BrianFlanders

Donald Trump made the name Donald Trump into a household name... it has been for decades. He has had reality shows, had a big public feud with a cow Rosie O'Donnell (I knew there was a reason I out this in the Mud Pit!
), was in a big WWE promotion with Vince McMahon (Battle of the Billionaires), owned the Miss Universe Pageant, and has this habit of getting on the news in one form or another every few years. The man is a master at media manipulation if nothing else. His name was well-known long, long before he ever ran for President.

TheRedneck



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 11:14 AM
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a reply to: bobs_uruncle


I thought everybody knew this...

So did I... but recently I have realized that apparently, based on the posts I keep seeing, not many do. So I made the thread. I guess you could say that I voted for him because I'm an Independent and he's a RINO.

TheRedneck



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 11:29 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

I think you're partially right. Trump isn't a Republican, and has no loyalty to anything or anyone but himself. Including political parties. While that can be a good thing, we're talking about Donald freakin' Trump here.

"I don't stand by anything." -Donald J. Trump

That's the only time I've ever heard him tell the truth.



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 11:40 AM
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With the choice of him or HRC he could have been E.T.'s dog and I would have still voted for him..If people knew the stories told about HRC by the secret service or people who lived in Arkansas when she was a lawyer and married to Governor Bill Clinton .. She really should be in jail for no other reason than being such a despicable person.



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 11:55 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

I find it more helpful to divide politicians into Globalists and Nationalists. If you're unsure which is which, check their affiliation with the Council on Foreign Relations.

While the Republican vs. Democrat sideshow tries to portray both sides as roughly equal, it seems the globalists have the greater numbers in government. They are clearly trying to expand their numbers by making "nationalist" a dirty word.



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 12:04 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

"We're going to build the wall!"

That one turned out to be true... just sayin'.

Of course, I'm not blind either. Trump has told some whoppers! Here are two of my favorites:
  • "We're going to win so much, you'll get tired of winning!" I don't think any of his supporters are tired of winning yet... I know I'm not.

  • At the press conference on his latest National Emergency, he said "and they'll take it to the court and we'll get a bad decision, and we'll appeal and maybe get a bad decision..." Turns out he got a good decision. The judge threw out the case against him.
I'm sure there will be others as we go along... keep the faith.

TheRedneck



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 12:07 PM
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a reply to: VictorVonDoom


I find it more helpful to divide politicians into Globalists and Nationalists.

Pretty much the same with establishment and non-establishment, or party loyalists and RINOs.

It seems to be getting easier to tell the difference too. I guess the swamp, it is a-draining.

TheRedneck



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 12:08 PM
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Trump laid out his agenda on Oprah years maybe decades before he ran "I would run as a Republican because they will believe anything" Video is scrubbed but there are a lot of threads asking where it went. (just spent an hour looking for it and confirmed with my wife (hates Trump) on her recollection of it.) I think it was from a 1988 interview but am done looking for it for now. I know snopes says it is false but the quote they use is not what he said so of course its false.



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 12:09 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: TheRedneck

I think you're partially right. Trump isn't a Republican, and has no loyalty to anything or anyone but himself. Including political parties. While that can be a good thing, we're talking about Donald freakin' Trump here.

"I don't stand by anything." -Donald J. Trump

That's the only time I've ever heard him tell the truth.


Promises Kept

~wanders back off the thread~



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

and?

Are you going to sit there and try to convince me, and others, that that isn't what every public figure does?

Or is it trying to convince yourself that he's the only one who does, because Trump?



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 12:26 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck


"We're going to build the wall!"

That one turned out to be true... just sayin'.


There hasn't been a "wall" built yet. Between the courts halting the construction and the prototypes not being up to Border patrol standards, he hasnt even installed the amount of fence Obama installed in his first year in office. But hey, wall, fence. Potatoe potato. Put some stakes in the ground with some wire between them and his supporters will scream about "winning".


"We're going to win so much, you'll get tired of winning!" I don't think any of his supporters are tired of winning yet... I know I'm not.


Yeah, winning. Lol. See above.

The only faith I have is in the grifter the President of the United States is. Besides his family enriching themselves and Trump himself spending more taxpayer money on playing golf (at his own resorts, might I add) than Tiger Woods has won in his entire career, I haven't been let down yet.



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 12:29 PM
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originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: underwerks

and?

Are you going to sit there and try to convince me, and others, that that isn't what every public figure does?

Or is it trying to convince yourself that he's the only one who does, because Trump?


Who's trying to convince who of what? I thought Donald Trump was different. Did you read the OP?



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 12:48 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

What are you talking about...

Regean helped gut the social programs , I’m pretty sure..

What I think is hilarious is how unpopularhe was in office.. then how deified he is now..h



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