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School gives nonverbal Autistic boy most annoying student award

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posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 12:27 AM
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originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: EternalSolace

I had to bring my lunch.



Shame you couldn't defend it.




posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 12:29 AM
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a reply to: Onlyyouknow

Well, as Grambler has so often said...then draw the line.

There is no line.



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 12:30 AM
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a reply to: EternalSolace

That, or no lunch.

Pretty simple math.





XL5

posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 12:41 AM
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There is a line where it goes from honesty to nasty regardless of the truth of it. What if it was an award for the most hated teacher, the most insensitive teacher or an award the teacher with the smallest penis? A line must be drawn or we will see awards placed on tomb stones "most likely to be worm food".

You don't prepare kids for the crap that life has in store for them by giving them drugs, raping them, bullying them and what have you just so that they are ready for when it "really" happens. You tell them about it and tell them how to deal with it, yet hope they never need to.



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 12:41 AM
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Lord knows I don't want to argue with you but, the line is drawn when you award other students with positive "awards" and another who is unable to communicate and rocks back and forth and sometimes shakes with a "most annoying award"..


As a child you look up to adults as role models- they failed the students. I would not want my child to witness this award and think this is okay to do; it is not right anyway you want to slice it.

I would be relieved if this was a fake news article.



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 01:24 AM
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a reply to: Onlyyouknow

Read my remarks carefully; I have never advocated as much.

I have tried to make a distinction between the label and the disability, and then made some casual observations about education in general.

Pleas don't interpret my remarks as a criticism of disabled children (which Grambler seemingly has), but rather view them as a whole.

I'm old (56), and when I was a kid we had "field day" at the end of the year. There were races, ball throws, and all sorts of things...and someone "won". One person. There were lots of games, and lot's of people "won". But, not everyone "Won".

Some people lost. They didn't "lose" as much as they just didn't "Win". And, that was life

There were team games too, like tug-o-war and many others. But some teams won and other teams lost. That's just how it was. And you learned something about yourself, and life in general.

Autistic children are not brain-dead. In fact, some of them are actually brilliant (autistic savants) in their own special way.

I take exception to treating children differently. They all will develop, regardless of how, or who helps them achieve it.

When you tell every child they are a champion you diminish the true champions, and you support the underachievers who could be champions with bit more effort, but will never be because of your support.

Life is a competition. It doesn't have to be a sport, or a debate team, but being a success is a challenge.

So let's define "Success" for a moment. Success can be as simple as being self sufficient, or even partially so. It can be being a pro athlete, a scientist...or just a person who is able to live on their own. It can be a lot of things, and all of them are equally good.

On the other hand, a child can live a sheltered life, defended for all of his shortcomings by his parents and others. One day, they won't be around to help...and then what?

So many people have virtue shamed me here today, but I had a senior mechanical engineer who worked for me who was significantly handicapped. We had to go out on several roofs one day too look at HVAC units. There was no ADA access to these areas. He jumped up out of his wheelchair and hopped up the stairs (which made me cringe). On the way he made a comment. He asked why there was braille on the elevators outside on the ramp where the aircraft were. (we were at the airport). He said, jokingly...wouldn't they be FOD? FOD is an acronym for Foreign Object Debris, which at airports is a big deal so it doesn't get sucked up into the jet engines. (meaning why would a blind person ever be out there)

So, you see, even handicapped people can make fun now and again.

Consequently, I think all this hyper-sensitivty over an internet article is, well, a bit over-blown.



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 01:39 AM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk
And this why I think you are spectacular, well put post.

I will not deviate from my position that a teacher should uplift their pupils and not diminish them.





posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 02:06 AM
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edit on 9-6-2019 by Onlyyouknow because: Messed up quoting



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 02:09 AM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

This is a sad situation for sure. Most likely if the disability is as severe as portrayed then he will live with his parents or in a group home for the remainder of his life. I hope he can enjoy his life to his fullest extent.

I apologize if I am coming off too harsh; I had an aunt who had Down's syndrome ( she was permanently 7 years old) and she was greatly loved and respected by all of us family. She had love for everyone and never met a stranger who she didn't enjoy meeting. Her birthday parties were something to behold. When she passed away at 67 years old it was amazing the amount of people at her funeral that loved and adored her. She was the kindest person I have ever known. I have a soft spot for people who have challenges and will always stand up for them.



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 02:25 AM
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a reply to: Onlyyouknow

I would have loved to meet your Aunt!

And I am diminished by not having done so.



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 02:48 AM
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originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: Onlyyouknow

I would have loved to meet your Aunt!

And I am diminished by not having done so.


She would have given you the biggest hug and smile.

She taught me a thing or two. One was when I about 9 years old. I was at my grandma and grandpas house talking to my sister and I said to my sister "that is retarded". My sweet aunt was listening and told me that word was not nice and that is what people called her, I shouldn't say that word. I felt shame and took her advice.



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 03:14 AM
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a reply to: efabian

You do realize that this child will likely live his life in the care of his parents right? Pray tell, how exactly do you make a child strong who has either limited or no understanding of the world around them? Life did not hand out this award a teacher did. A teacher who had to actively determine who was the most annoying kid in the class...



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 03:18 AM
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Superlatives are supposed to be joke awards, like being roasted. I think it was a good joke, it’s acknowledging that the kid is held to the same standard as everyone else and was found to be annoying. That is empowering. The dad has no reason to be insulted. His kid is forging a path he can never understand, or if he could he would realize that this is the highest form of flattery. His moderately disabled son has gained acceptance enough to be ribbed. Butt out dad



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 03:35 AM
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originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
Define the difference between "Class Clown" and "Most Annoying"!

I'll be waiting.

Maybe we should just shut down the whole school for kids with autism, right? Just shut the damn joint down!

Then what???



Like Grambler I've worked with special educational needs kids, specialising in autistic spectrum disorders and emotional and behavioural difficulties. Class clown isn't a negative thing. Awarding a non-verbal autistic student 'most annoying' is like awarding a paraplegic an award for most lazy as ASD profoundly affects social interaction. It's also teaching kids to pick on people with disabilities and it's right to blame people for their disabilities, due to the disability being non-verbal the kid can't defend themselves or comprehend what's going on. It's also clearly going to cause distress to the parents and sensory overload to the kid.

Whoever gave the greenlight to this shouldn't be working with kids, let alone ones with disabilities due to the catalogue of bad decisions and ignorance by the staff.
edit on 9-6-2019 by bastion because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 04:00 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

that teacher is nothing but a twat if that was one of my kids i would go round to that school and stick one on them



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 05:11 AM
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The fact that its even being debated that this is anything but despicable shows the systemic cancer our society has.

And some of you are clearly stage 4
edit on 9-6-2019 by SailorJerry because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 05:41 AM
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Akalis???

Kids are no joke crue,l so, you better teach
Your kids to have tough skin throughout highschool

White kids when I were growing up were taught a song, sticks and stones may break your bones , but words cannot hurt you.

That is why there is no word that can get you banned for describing a white person.

There is no word that gets white people up set.

Way different maturity level an mentality.

Teacher could have been more professional. while its dark comedy hilarious. Not professional



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 06:52 AM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Again you keep misunderstanding my position

I have no where even close said you don’t care about autistic children

I haven’t insulted you in any way



On to your points

You say “there is no line”

That is ridiculous

Of course there is a point where adults have to treat children or those with disabilities somehwat differently

You can’t respond physically the same way to a kid or someone with a disability (in some cases ) the way you would an adult

You would t mock a person with a disability for their parents not liking them,and other things

What this boils down to is you believe had this teacher not given this autistic kid an award about him being the most annoying, she would have been treating him differently

I disagree completely



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 07:47 AM
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originally posted by: Zelun
Superlatives are supposed to be joke awards, like being roasted. I think it was a good joke, it’s acknowledging that the kid is held to the same standard as everyone else and was found to be annoying. That is empowering. The dad has no reason to be insulted. His kid is forging a path he can never understand, or if he could he would realize that this is the highest form of flattery. His moderately disabled son has gained acceptance enough to be ribbed. Butt out dad


I disagree. The other students seemed to receive positive re-inforcement awards. This autistic child seemed to be singled out negatively. Why? As a parent, I would have been insulted as well. If the award said he was the 'most energetic', it would have reflected the truth of his disruptive actions in a more positive light and this would be a non-story. He would have been held in the same positive standard as other students then. As it is, he was not.



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 09:36 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Didnt think there would be a thread where I agree with Gambler rather than you, but you are coming across as a total dick.

Might be worth thinking about.


And I honestly don’t care




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