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David Icke explains the Trans agenda

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posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 03:09 AM
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originally posted by: Analbumcover
a reply to: Boadicea

It is scary that they allow kids to use hormones to change their bodies for life before they allow kids to drink or drive.

Seriously one of the most disturbing and backwards things around in today's society...


I agree. Not just change their bodies, but actually damage their bodies. And their minds. Most (all?) of these puberty blockers and cross-hormone therapies have not even been tested on children, much less approved for these purposes. But we already know some of the many, many negative side effects and adverse outcomes. And we still do it!!! It's horrifying.


...but "parents" think it's normal.


Definitely some... and there's been some speculation about a form of Munchausen by Proxy with these kids, and I think that's definitely a factor. Especially like the child drag stars like "Desmond the Amazing" and his mother, perhaps even Jazz Jenning's mother.

But there are a few websites/organizations I've seen pushing back on this by parents. One is called 4th Wave Now, which is for and by parents of kids affected. Another is called Pique Resillience Project, which is by four girls who began transitioning but have since detransitioned.


Don't know how anyone can read all that information and wonder if there is a agenda.


I don't get it either. It is the totality of circumstances which is so revealing though. Most people cannot fathom the levels this has gone to.




posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 03:20 AM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus


I saw a story recently about a teacher who bullied a child asking him continually if he’s transgender and giving him books in his book bag to read about it. I believe the parents are going to sue. It’s this kind of thing that is inappropriate and radical. It just should not going on in our schools, and yet the radicals , in the name of diversity, are attempting to normalize it and push it on young children who are vulnerable and impressionable. Oh the the child was also traumatized.


I saw that also. It's absolutely shameful and unconscionable. Of course the child is traumatized, and will now always doubt who he is and if he's "really" a boy or if he's a "good" enough boy... all because someone stuck on stereotypes decided he didn't fit her ideal. It's disgusting. No one should be told they have to change to be good enough or genuine or their true selves.

Just as worrying are those teachers and administrators who are helping kids transition and not even telling parents... including getting them drugs, binders, and all kinds of harmful things.

And parents who are losing custody of their kids and parental rights for not jumping on the bandwagon. Kids are being harmed and the parents are being excluded from the decision making processes -- even punished by courts.



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 03:27 AM
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originally posted by: Analbumcover
a reply to: continuousThunder


Also one of us was talking about lizard people. So yes we have that base to start working out which one of us is the crazy one.


yeah, someone was talking about lizard people - DAVID ICKE!
as in, the guy in the video in the OP?
as in, that's what he's known for, his theories about subterranean lizard people ruling the world?
so by your own reasoning, maybe the premise of this thread is a little.... crazy?



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 03:34 AM
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a reply to: continuousThunder


...it's so ridiculously transparent how badly you guys want some legitimacy for your purposeless hatred...


The only hatred I have is for those acts harming people. Period.

I don't hate transgender persons. In fact, I daresay that I have more love in my heart for many (most?) than they have for themselves, and definitely more love for them than those doing them harm. I have no problem with people breaking any and all gender norms or gender roles or gender stereotypes that they so choose. Hell -- I break more than enough myself!

But I'm not going to pretend that people are not being harmed by the current policies and attitudes towards gender, and those who identify as transgender. I have three simple red lines: No medicalizing kids; no self-IDing into single-sex protected spaces; and no speech police.

Otherwise, I'm happy to let folks -- including transgender persons -- live as they choose.



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 03:39 AM
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a reply to: continuousThunder


yo let me pull you up on that real quick - NO ONE is just letting kids use hormones. That's not happening. Most of what's done with kids in these circumstances is extensive and long lasting therapy - figuring out the root of their perceived need to change gender and understanding if there are treatments that would suit them better - if transition is the answer or if it just feels like it, as well as more general stuff like helping their families understand what's going on and to acclimatise to the situation and concepts involved.


No, that is not what is happening. At all. It's called "gender affirmation" and happens with little psychological/psychiatric counseling for other issues. It's done without parents' knowledge. It's done without parents' consent. It's done without any parental oversight whatsoever in many cases.

Please educate yourself. Kids are being harmed by these drugs.



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 03:40 AM
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originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Of course the child is traumatized, and will now always doubt who he is and if he's "really" a boy or if he's a "good" enough boy... all because someone stuck on stereotypes decided he didn't fit her ideal.


yikes, how insecure are you in your own identity? like if you really think that someone offering help could really destabilise someone's identity in that way you're either really really not sure of yourself, or you think extremely little of other people.... see, for myself, i got beaten bloody on the reg for years and i had people - the overwhelming majority of people in my life at the time - insisting i was one thing, treating me with cruelty and contempt for even slightly deviating from their conception of what i should be. i didn't even know trans people existed back then, so there was nothing to aim for or emulate except what everyone in my life told me.
By your reasoning, i should have folded into line right away, yeah?
but oddly enough, i knew my own mind and my own soul and i stayed the path, and today when i'm in public no one even thinks to question the authenticity of what i am.
so... dunno what that does for your theory there.
maybe you should give people more credit for knowing themselves.



It's disgusting. No one should be told they have to change to be good enough or genuine or their true selves.

so why are you insisting that trans kids should change or not be their genuine selves? just because their genuine self doesn't align with what their endocrine system is doing? if no one should be told they have to change then SURELY that includes people who know deeply in themselves that they must change something.

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posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 03:42 AM
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a reply to: Analbumcover


Lol, why the hell would you talk about lizard people? You feeling alright?


I'm pretty sure the "lizard people" reference is to David Icke's ideas about aliens and reptillians aka "lizard people." Mr. Icke has quite the reputation in the conspiracy world.

I'm not into the whole reptillian thing though, so I can't tell you too much about that!



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 03:49 AM
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originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: continuousThunder


Please educate yourself


i have PERSONALLY been through this system and experienced over many years FIRST HAND what it's like, what it involves, and what it is.
Not only that, but i have myriad friends in different countries whom i have talked to extensively - again, over a course of years - about their own experiences within the version of the same system that exists in their home countries.
Not only that but i have read and discussed literal reams of literature from various viewpoints about all manner of subjects pertaining to gender and sexuality, and participated in deep discussion and analysis of many of them.
Is that enough education to make you happy? having lived it for fifteen years?

what's your education on the subject? you read some sites written by losers who are scared of the future.
get right out of here "educate yourself" witch PLEASE educate your own damn self 😂



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 03:51 AM
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Mr. Icke is right, the world is catering to minorities. And his theories on Reptilians is pliable, seeing as Humans have what science calls ' the reptilian brain'. So there's that.



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 03:58 AM
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a reply to: continuousThunder

Ahhhhh.... projection. Must be me, eh? No. I just am what I am and you are what you are. I have a female body, I've lived a "female" life due to the realities of this body, and beyond that I'm just me. I didn't have to use tampons because I "felt" like a woman. I had to use tampons because my female body was bleeding out! I didn't have endometriosis and ectopic pregnancy and uterine fibroid tumors because I "felt" like a woman... I had them because my female body wasn't working right. That was my reality. Tangible. Observable. Measurable.

I don't care what your "gender" is. I don't care what your sex is. Why would I? You're a person. I'm an old married woman with no intention of ever being romantically or sexually involved with anyone else ever again in my entire life, so I have no interest in your genitals one way or another. I don't care what you wear or how you adorn yourself or what you call yourself or anything else. I dress for comfort and practicality for those things I do. I expect others dress for their own comfort and practicality for those things they do. It's all good.

But I will never accept or demand gender stereotypes. They're nonsense.



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 04:02 AM
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Reading this thread, all I'm hearing is


Wahhhhhhhh me me me me me me me wahhhh.

I think i'll go listen to Train, he doesn't whine and his voice is tollerable.



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 04:07 AM
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Is that enough education to make you happy? having lived it for fifteen years?


Your experience is not what is happening to kids today. WPATH, Tavistock, Mermaids, etc., all cite gender affirmation therapy as the recommended practice. Children are being started on puberty blockers younger and younger -- I believe the most recent age I heard is 8 years old, and that was within the last couple weeks. This is also being done by teachers and school administrators without the parents' knowledge or consent. And parents are losing custody of their kids for not consenting to gender affirmation treatment... even for not using preferred pronouns.

This is happening. It's not just "losers afraid of the future."

Now, of course you can spew all the nonsense you want from your high horse, but I know it's ignorance. And I know that you are so full of yourself that you don't even understand how ignorant you are. Okay. That's your choice.



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 04:10 AM
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originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: continuousThunder


Is that enough education to make you happy? having lived it for fifteen years?


Your experience is not what is happening to kids today. WPATH, Tavistock, Mermaids, etc., all cite gender affirmation therapy as the recommended practice. Children are being started on puberty blockers younger and younger -- I believe the most recent age I heard is 8 years old, and that was within the last couple weeks. This is also being done by teachers and school administrators without the parents' knowledge or consent. And parents are losing custody of their kids for not consenting to gender affirmation treatment... even for not using preferred pronouns.

This is happening. It's not just "losers afraid of the future."

Now, of course you can spew all the nonsense you want from your high horse, but I know it's ignorance. And I know that you are so full of yourself that you don't even understand how ignorant you are. Okay. That's your choice.


I am going to call bollocks on that entire post.

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posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 04:28 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

Double bollocks plus a shilling for good measure.



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 05:14 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot
a reply to: Artemis12

Okay, it's all bullocks.
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For those who want to know the truth, don't take my word for it or anyone's word for it. Never get all your information in one place. And always do your own due diligence.

It's known as "gender affirmation" treatment, under an "informed consent" model of treatment, wherein a patient can decline mental health services/counseling/diagnosis of gender dysphoria, etc. Puberty blockers are recommended based upon "Tanner Stages," basically pubertal development as opposed to chronological age.

It's easy enough to look up some of the gender clinics around the country, and go to their websites and see when they recommend starting puberty blockers.

Check out "WPATH", the "Endocrine Society", "Mermaids", "Tavistock"... find out from them if and when they recommend puberty blockers for kids.

Also check out "Transgendertrend," "4th Wave Now," and "Pique Resilience Project" to hear the critical side from those who are living this nightmare, including girls who have detransitioned and what they have to say about their experience, and parents who are being threatened in various ways. Find out the harm being done to kids.

Google some of those words and terms and you'll learn more than you ever wanted to know.



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 05:19 AM
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a reply to: Boadicea

I never said I disagreed with you.



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 05:22 AM
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originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: ScepticScot
a reply to: Artemis12

Okay, it's all bullocks.
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For those who want to know the truth, don't take my word for it or anyone's word for it. Never get all your information in one place. And always do your own due diligence.

It's known as "gender affirmation" treatment, under an "informed consent" model of treatment, wherein a patient can decline mental health services/counseling/diagnosis of gender dysphoria, etc. Puberty blockers are recommended based upon "Tanner Stages," basically pubertal development as opposed to chronological age.

It's easy enough to look up some of the gender clinics around the country, and go to their websites and see when they recommend starting puberty blockers.

Check out "WPATH", the "Endocrine Society", "Mermaids", "Tavistock"... find out from them if and when they recommend puberty blockers for kids.

Also check out "Transgendertrend," "4th Wave Now," and "Pique Resilience Project" to hear the critical side from those who are living this nightmare, including girls who have detransitioned and what they have to say about their experience, and parents who are being threatened in various ways. Find out the harm being done to kids.

Google some of those words and terms and you'll learn more than you ever wanted to know.


Because everything you read on the internet is true...

How about actually providing some real proof of you claims. Not wild claims from trans hate sites.

Let's start with your claim that schools are providing gender realignment without parents knowledge.



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 05:33 AM
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originally posted by: Artemis12
a reply to: Boadicea

I never said I disagreed with you.


That made me smile


And no, you sure didn't!



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 05:33 AM
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("puberty blockers" aren't hormones)

("puberty blockers" are also completely reversible, having very negligible effect on their own without the use of hormones)

(in fact, even with hormones added it takes more than six months for any changes to take place that would take more than a few weeks to go away if the medications were stopped)

(also these blockers aren't given out willy nilly, you have to undergo counselling and therapy to "prove" that you're not just funning around)

(even with extensive paperwork and recommendations from doctors, AFTER the counselling, it can take more than a year to get medications prescribed)

not that i expect anyone in particular to take any notice of those inconvenient facts, given that my actual involvement in this world can apparently be classed as ignorance lol



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 05:34 AM
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a reply to: ScepticScot


How about actually providing some real proof of you claims. Not wild claims from trans hate sites.

Let's start with your claim that schools are providing gender realignment without parents knowledge.


Ummmmmmm... nope!

Of course you're welcome to disprove anything I've said...







 
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