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Why You Should Never Believe The Global Warming Hoax And Alarmism

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posted on Jun, 7 2019 @ 01:19 PM
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a reply to: Barcs

I'm not a member of any church I'm an agnostic atheist. The 90% thing was just a silly number I used for my analogy. It didn't actually have any real relevance. My whole point is it doesn't matter the number asked without knowing exactly what it's being used for.

We need a complete change on how most taxation and special projects work. Citizens should be treated as owners in the project, if we're going to pay into dealing with climate change I want full access to the research, know who's being paid, how much, what they are contributing to the project. I'd like to be able see what the plans are. What the projected results of the plan are. Why they think some things have worked, why some aren't. I would like to know why some avenues are pursued, and I'd like to know why some aren't. I would also like as a contributing partner, which is what we all would be, a regular vote and say on how this money is used and what projects supported.

We live in the modern age and this isn't some kind of war technology. There's zero reason for secrecy or any kind of special clearence. It's easy to make all this available to every citizen. We should all be able to log in and see what's what.

I'm very skeptical about how the money for most things is being spent and where it's going, who it's benefiting, and whether any of it is truly going towards helping or fixing the problems they are supposedly going towards. I think it's high time we stop blindly trusting the government with our money and start demanding more of a controlling share in how things are done.

I get that we elect representatives, but that does not mean we don't need the whole picture to help determine which representatives truly are representing us honestly. We need to start having all this information available. And before somebody claims privacy rights, remember they are our employees and not a single thing I'm asking for isn't something every employer has access to for their employees.

If someone doesn't want this kind of oversight, perhaps they shouldn't be a public servant. Maybe we might get more honest responsible representatives if we start treating like our employees which is what they are.

We need to start treating the government like a corporation in which every citizen has controlling shares because really, that's what it's supposed to be. By the people, for the people.




posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 05:39 AM
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originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: Justoneman

Ever heard of subduction?

The simple explanation is when tectonic plates push against each other the plate that is more dense is pushed downward into the earth/mantle and the other is push upwards. It's how mountain ridges are made.

I mean, it might be all nonsense but the mining industry seems to do alright. It's all about the relationship with the crust and the mantle and is a lot more complex than the simple explanation I gave.


This is a very dramatic change. I wonder jokingly, were you there for the subduction event? NO, you couldn't have been! It had to be an action Earth does without the influence of MAN. Man is not the reason the Earth changes dramatically. Sure we do make a scratch or two on the surface, but no more.


What do you mean?

Point out where I've said tectonic movements are a man-made problem because I never did.

Subduction and the upheaval of tectonic plates takes millions of years, I'll repeat that. MILLIONS of years.

The most dramatic upheaval, the Himalayas started around 50 millions of years ago. We were not around then. Anyways I mentioned mining for a very good reason, mining companies can predict extremely well these days where minerals can be found. Their predictive ability can often be based on science regarding plate tectonics, point being the science seems sound and rather profitable.

You talking about man-made tectonics?

Yeah, not sure where you're going with that. I was just giving you a clue on why limestone is found on top of mountains. That limestone has had potentially 500+ million years to get to where it's gotten. Doesn't seem all that dramatic to me given the potential time scales...



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 08:25 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

This is a garbage post. OP doesn't know what he's talking about. Global scientific consensus is climate change is happening and then you have this clown OP.



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 09:03 AM
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originally posted by: richapau
a reply to: Dfairlite

This is a garbage post. OP doesn't know what he's talking about. Global scientific consensus is climate change is happening and then you have this clown OP.


Another one making things up. NO ONE is saying that the climate doesn't change. You're the one that doesn't know what you're talking about. You don't understand this issue well enough to debate it. All you've done is memorize talking points.



posted on Jun, 8 2019 @ 09:20 AM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
A senior U.N. environmental official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000.

Of course this was the prediction in 1989, by the same body that is warning us today that we have only 10 years to act. What really happened during the warning period? We saw a small increase in temperatures and basically zero rising sea levels. Polar ice was melting a little but has regained most of that in the following 20 years. However, don't forget, 2000 was supposed to be the beginning of the end, not the end of the warming.

These people are stupid and they play on your being uninformed to try to get you to give up your freedom.
How many times in the last 30 years have you stood on a frozen lake?



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 07:50 AM
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a reply to: wantsome

0, same as the 20 years before that. But the Ice fishing has been great I hear, from those who do it. I would imagine they've been standing on the frozen lake quite often.

ETA: Actually I forgot, I did stand on a frozen lake in the early 2k's. So once. Which is more than the number of times I did it in the years prior to that.
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posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 07:54 AM
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a reply to: richapau

Wait a hot minute. At no point did I deny that the climate is changing. All this post points out is that the dire situations in x timeframe that they keep predicting, come and pass with not so much as a hiccup. They predicted a ~900mm increase in sea levels in 11 years. Yet in 30 years we've seen about 1/10th of that.

Your anger and misunderstanding of the post tells me you are emotionally attached to the fear mongering. It's becoming a death cult.



posted on Jun, 9 2019 @ 09:15 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion



Noel J. Brown? Not too shabby for a stupid person with the age of 82. How is that guy not literally improving peoples freedom with test-driving (?) lifts for old people like you?



What does Noel J. Brown have to do with anything?



Climate Change Threatens Societal Collapse Within Decades: Report


Then you go on to link a climate alarmist article. Goodness. You'd think you'd have learned something from the OP. It's sad how dense people can be. 30 years ago, they told us we had 10 years. Then al gore told us we had 10 years (with the backing of the "scientific community" too), 20 years later we still have 10 years. Well, now you're linking an article claiming we have 30 years. Going by their track record I'm going to say we have 500000000000 years. I could certainly be wrong, but so far I'm more right than they have been.



Right back at ya, I like the argumentum ad hominem at play there. Latin goes down like hemp-oil, doesn't it?


Your response to my calling you uninformed for believing the alarmists 30 years ago is to trust them today? And you think you've proved some huge point? This really is a clown world.



posted on Jun, 10 2019 @ 03:26 AM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: wantsome

0, same as the 20 years before that. But the Ice fishing has been great I hear, from those who do it. I would imagine they've been standing on the frozen lake quite often.

ETA: Actually I forgot, I did stand on a frozen lake in the early 2k's. So once. Which is more than the number of times I did it in the years prior to that.
Yeah I know it was a loaded question. Since the early 2000's things have changed drastically here in the north. In comparison to the 80's and 90's the weather is a lot different. We hardly get any snow in the winter like we use to. In the winter we get a lot of warm spells now. We had 2 years in a row the lakes never froze. Lakes here use to freeze like clock work. I spend all of my free time in the woods and on the water. I am outdoors all the time. I'm about as hardcore as it gets. I remember dates from as far back as the 80's when the lakes froze. Something is going on with the weather patterns here. I doubt that it is just a cycle. I've seen time lapsed satellite footage of the amount of CO2 China is spewing into the atmosphere. The amazon forest are the lungs of the earth. It's being chopped down at an underrepresented rate. 7 billion people and counting on this planet and you can't tell me we're not having an impact on the climate and weather currents.



posted on Jun, 10 2019 @ 06:21 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

Not necessarily greedy , I try not to engage in my ego desire for material wealth !

and practice this all the time as a discipline so I only ever obtain items that I actually need for survival
or that bring me joy !

but in comparison to others or mutli national corporations , then its a drop in the bucket







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posted on Jun, 10 2019 @ 08:14 AM
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a reply to: wantsome

Where I'm at we're having awful winters. Winters like we haven't seen since the late 70's. Snow upon snow. The reservoir I usually fish in early april still had ice at the beginning of may. When I went up there in mid may to fish and the banks were still littered with snow. Two days later they got 8 more inches.

It's funny you should mention the CO2 in china and the rainforest. The rain forest could use some more CO2. The whole planet is getting greener because of the CO2. Even NASA agrees. A warmer, more CO2 rich environment is great for plants, which is great for animals, which is great for us.

You ought to read this article by one of the founders of green peace. It's really a great read.



posted on Jun, 10 2019 @ 08:29 AM
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but in comparison to others or mutli national corporations , then its a drop in the bucket


So let me get this straight, it's greedy for corporations to sell goods and services to people, that those people want?

You see, to me, it seems the greedy people are those who want to tax (take other people's hard earned income). Not the people who want to sell a good or service that people want or need.

It's funny because people paint socialism out to be the policy of those who are moral, charitable, and certainly not greedy (not saying you're a socialist, just drawing a comparison here). When the goal of socialism is to get fewer people producing for others and more people focused on their own selves and interest. Meanwhile capitalism requires people to produce for others and focus on the interest of others before they can focus on their own interests.



posted on Jun, 10 2019 @ 09:00 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

No , that is not at all what I mean by greedy corporations

what Im talking about is consolidating wealth and power at the expense of the planet and people !

Corporations and companies or any small time mom and pop producer , is fine to sell products to the masses
because we are a materialistic culture , that is something we are all guilty of , desire and wanting material wealth

what I am talking about is the creation of this wealth at the expense of the planet and in most cases its based on the suffering of others !

I am speaking about things like when governments will harass their citizens and chase them for £100 in taxes , yet will not chase google for the 12 billion they owe !
because a few of the MP's have nice deals in place with the CEO or whatever over tax havens !


the workers who create all the wealth are the ones who have he power really! without workers no one can generate wealth but all the power has been stripped from workers
cant even unionise in the UK anymore , well with any great affect on workers rights



posted on Jun, 10 2019 @ 10:14 AM
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a reply to: sapien82

Ok, that makes more sense. I misunderstood. Thanks for the clarification.



posted on Jun, 10 2019 @ 02:43 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

That is a damn good read.



posted on Jun, 10 2019 @ 04:02 PM
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a reply to: sapien82

I'm sorry but you are inferring that capitalism is somehow responsible for inequality.

I would agree capitalism has it's flaws, mainly with fractional reserve banking, tax avoidance, manufactured inflation, currency manipulation and many others. Certainly when looking at the extremes of the wealth scale it becomes apparent there is a huge equality gap, to me it's a more compelling ideology than socialism.

All societies are hierarchical in nature, have been throughout history.

However capitalism offers equality of opportunity for all classes to make a better life for themselves, to follow and strive to whatever dreams they choose to follow.

In my country at least it also offers a welfare system. One where 34% of all taxes are apportioned to those in need to provide them with basic survival. Then we have free education, housing, health and dental care for those below a certain income level.

I work 12 hours per day, sometimes more, have done for the last 20 years. 40% of my wages go directly to taxes. By my calculations i pay for 3 other people on welfare to live their lives without having to lift a finger. I know people who claim welfare who live in free accommodation, have no interest in getting a job and live a similar style of life to my own.

Equality of outcome is an ideology for the weak, if you want the better things in life, get off your lazy ass, work hard and reap the rewards. If you want something for nothing then it will be provided for you by those of us who are willing to do these things.
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posted on Jun, 10 2019 @ 04:09 PM
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a reply to: face23785

It really lays waste to the entire premise of CO2/warming being catastrophic regardless of who or what causes it.
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posted on Jun, 11 2019 @ 10:13 PM
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originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Barcs


Wow, what a load of nonsense. Where do we start?

Again, the person said it COULD happen, not that it definitely would happen by that exact time.


Scientists running around saying what COULD happen--and then being wrong about it--is a big deal. We see this in weather and geology. Weathermen issues sweeping warnings for wide areas about tornadoes and volcanologists warn of impending eruptions, then nothing happens and they lose credibility.


The problem is the media.

Only the exaggerated, over the top, predictions are seen as being sensational enough to print.


There are reasons for that, because the prediction methods are an inexact science and they don't do a good enough job of explaining it to the public, but the end result is the same. They lose credibility.


That's because you expect unity from a group that has no unifying principle.

Instead of stopping believing the guy who made the prediction, you stop believing all of his peers.

There are hucksters in every group. I still drive a car, even though there are unscrupulous used car salespeople out there who will lie or exaggerate to get you to buy a lemon from them.

That doesn't make me believe all cars are lemons.







No, the entire problem is people denying the science. There is TONS of hard science that PROVES CO2 and other greenhouse gases raise global temperature and that humans put tons of that into the air on a daily basis. That is NOT up for debate.

climate.nasa.gov...

study.com...

LMAO @ claiming no evidence and pretending we don't know that humans contribute to that. They clearly do.


You very cleverly made a slight change to what I said. I never said greenhouse gases don't warm global temps or that we aren't releasing CO2. THAT is a major problem in this discussion is you have to make things up. Of course greenhouse gases increase temps and humans release CO2. But there's no data on how much of the temperature changes are related to human activity.


There is data on how much CO2 has been released.

But anyone who tells you they can exactly quantify HOW MUCH temperature rise is due to that, and how much is a sun cycle, is well........... they're one of the hucksters.

We don't know how much. We have to accept we don't know how much, and make decisions based on our best guesses.

But the most likely is: some change has occurred, and some people somewhere will be hurt by it.




All you can say is "oh we release CO2 so we must be causing SOME of it." As another poster already pointed out, that's a meaningless statement. When I breathe I release CO2. The important piece of data is how much I'm releasing, and how much that contributes to climate change. They haven't been able to quantify that. That's a crucial question. You clearly either don't understand this subject or you're willfully pushing misinformation. They know the climate is changing. How much man is responsible for and whether we can do anything about it is unknown.


The issue is whether we are releasing it faster than it can be re-sequestered by natural means. The answer is clearly "yes".

It only gets sequestered if a plant or animal dies without decomposing. Or, if the total amount of biomass permanently increases. (A forest growing, then dying, then regrowing to the same size again, is a break-even cycle, unless some of the biomass doesn't decompose and gets buried underground.)

If we are releasing more than gets recaptured, then it is only a matter of time before we release too much.

Is that 20 years away? 50 years away? 200 years away?

If I claimed to know, I would be a charlatan. There is no way to be sure like that.



posted on Jun, 13 2019 @ 07:32 AM
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What does Noel J. Brown have to do with anything?


So you have no idea? It's probably the guy from your OP.



Then you go on to link a climate alarmist article.


...said the guy posting another thread for his flock of anti-climate alarmists. Are you going to look into the facts now, coming up with a detailed reply? Oh, wait!

You can't.



Your response to my calling you uninformed for believing the alarmists 30 years ago is to trust them today? And you think you've proved some huge point? This really is a clown world.


And I'm the clown who knows what an ad hominem fallacy looks like. It's kinda huge when it comes down to logics. That's the thing with fallacies, I'm sorry.

Are you not entertained?
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posted on Jun, 13 2019 @ 07:45 AM
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a reply to: Grenade

We don't need equality of outcome, risk and success should be rewarded. All we need is for where one starts to be upgraded from abject poverty so that any work can be a reward rather than simply removing base suffering.

It's absolutely sick that in the modern age with modern technology and resources we still use the threat of starvation, homelessness and sickness as the primary motivator to get people to work.

Actually no, it's worse than that, we actually do to some degree provide food and medical care, and shelter to the non working, we just also make the base jobs less enticing than not working, causing people on hard times to feel trapped and not try to better themselves.

Our welfare system is a trap because jobs refuse to treat their lowest paid employee as anything other than chattel, and our government refuses to help anyone as soon as their making money anywhere close to what welfare benefits supplied making that work worthless unless a person works absurd hours and multiple jobs just to begin to do a little better than welfare was providing.

People need to be able to stop scrambling just to get their head above water so that they can begin to benefit in an actually positive rewarding way. Work needs to become a rewarding experience that people want to do because they are rewarded for it, and not simply to avoid some kind of hardship or suffering.







 
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