originally posted by: 2012newstart
In OP I explain how Peter wasn't originally appointed by Jesus as a "bishop of Rome" rather as the stone upon which the Church would be
Matt. 16:18, JB
: “I now say to you: You are Peter and on this rock I will build my Church. And the gates of the underworld can never hold out
against it.” (Notice in the context [vss. 13, 20] that the discussion centers on the identity of Jesus
What was the belief of Augustine (who was viewed as a saint by the Catholic Church) regarding this subject?
“In this same period of my priesthood, I also wrote a book against a letter of Donatus . . . In a passage in this book, I said about the Apostle
Peter: ‘On him as on a rock the Church was built.’ . . . But I know that very frequently at a later time, I so explained what the Lord said:
‘Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church,’ that it be understood as built upon Him whom Peter confessed saying: ‘Thou art
the Christ, the Son of the living God,’
and so Peter, called after this rock, represented the person of the Church which is built upon this
rock, and has received ‘the keys of the kingdom of heaven.’ For, ‘Thou art Peter’ and not ‘Thou art the rock’ was said to him. But
‘the rock was Christ,’
in confessing whom as also the whole Church confesses, Simon was called Peter.”—The Fathers of the
Church—Saint Augustine, the Retractations
(Washington, D.C.; 1968), translated by Mary I. Bogan, Book I, p. 90.
Whom did the apostles Peter and Paul understand to be the “rock,” the “cornerstone”?
Acts 4:8-11, JB
: “Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, addressed them, ‘Rulers of the people, and elders! . . . it was by the name of Jesus
Christ the Nazarene, the one you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by this name and by no other that this man is able to stand up perfectly
healthy, here in your presence, today. This is the stone rejected by you the builders, but which has proved to be the keystone [“cornerstone,”
1 Pet. 2:4-8, JB
: “Set yourselves close to him [the Lord Jesus Christ] so that you too . . . may be living stones making a spiritual house.
As scripture says: See how I lay in Zion a precious cornerstone that I have chosen and the man who rests his trust on it will not be disappointed.
That means that for you who are believers, it is precious; but for unbelievers, the stone rejected by the builders has proved to be the keystone, a
stone to stumble over, a rock to bring men down.”
Eph. 2:20, JB
: “You are part of a building that has the apostles and prophets for its foundations, and Christ Jesus himself for its main
Apostolic Succession is the man-made doctrine that the 12 apostles have successors to whom authority has been passed by divine appointment. In the
Roman Catholic Church, the bishops as a group are said to be successors of the apostles, and the pope is claimed to be the successor of Peter. It is
maintained that the Roman pontiffs come immediately after, occupy the position and perform the functions of Peter, to whom Christ is said to have
given primacy of authority over the whole Church. Not a Bible teaching.
Did the other apostles view Peter as having primacy among them?
Luke 22:24-26, JB
: “A dispute arose also between them [the apostles] about which should be reckoned the greatest, but he said to them,
‘Among pagans it is the kings who lord it over them, and those who have authority over them are given the title Benefactor. This must not happen
with you.’” (If Peter were the “rock,” would there have been any question as to which one of them “should be reckoned the greatest”?)
Since Jesus Christ, the head of the congregation, is alive, does he need successors?
Heb. 7:23-25, JB
: “Then there used to be a great number of those other priests [in Israel], because death put an end to each one of them; but
this one [Jesus Christ], because he remains for ever, can never lose his priesthood. It follows, then, that his power to save is utterly certain,
since he is living for ever to intercede for all who come to God through him.”
Rom. 6:9, JB
: “Christ, as we know, having been raised from the dead will never die again.”
Eph. 5:23, JB
: “Christ is head of the Church.”
End of story. Or should I say, end of this particular false story of Peter being “this rock” mentioned at Matt. 16:18 (and all the derived
storylines starting from that interpretation such as Apostolic Succession).
2 Timothy 4:3,4, NW
: “For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome* [Or “healthful; beneficial.”]
teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled.* [Or “to tell them what they
want to hear.”] They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.”
So never mind me. Sorry to distract you from that, please continue your demonstration of the reliability and usefulness of Scripture over the
prophecies, predictions, teachings and traditions of men. Just keep in mind:
“If any man teaches another doctrine and does not agree with the wholesome* [Or “healthful; beneficial.”] instruction, which is from our Lord
Jesus Christ, nor with the teaching that is in harmony with godly devotion, he is puffed up with pride and does not understand anything.” (1 Timothy
“But these men are speaking abusively about all the things they really do not understand. And in all the things that they do understand by instinct
like unreasoning animals, they go on corrupting themselves.” (Jude 10)
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