Fake Nurse Fired After 20 Years On The Job

a reply to: TheTruthRocks

What's the message through?

Seems to me the message is, if you can, and have, done a job for 2 decades, without the costly applicable piece of paper and probably student loans ta boot to contend with, that might not be a bad thing.

The world is what you make it i suppose, she simply chose a path that's not conducive with the establishments chosen journey.

But she did the job, what does that say?

originally posted by: WhiteHat
Where others see a fraud and an imposter I see 20 years of commitment and service to others. Being a nurse is damn hard work, is not about the money nor the fame. She must have really wanted to do the job she did, and I imagine that if none of her qualified coworkers suspected the fraud than she probably did a good job.
I would have no problem with her treating me, even if without official qualification. People seem to put more value on an official piece of paper than on real experience and actual service. Yet this case only shows that sometimes that piece of paper is truly irrelevant.

It was wrong for her to do that 20 years ago, I agree, but I'm sure right now she is perfectly qualified as a nurse. I hope she didn't get too big of a punishment. Real criminals out there for people to worry, not somebody who worked her butt out for 20 years to help others.

20 years of lying and committing fraud........gee, she is a really good person

a reply to: annoyedpharmacist

Obviously, she chose the wrong calling.

I mean with the skills you imply she should have been a Politician, Lawyer or Police for sure.

If you consider 20 years of going to work every day for a pittance of a wage, and helping people to survive horrendous ordeals and injury fraudulent, or that in doing so somehow makes one a bad person, im apt to ponder why?

Nurses see people at their worst. To do so for 20 years indicates dedication to the suffering.
They should slap her on the wrist, and give her her pension.

a reply to: gortex


More than that each credential on their application or resume should be verified.
How many are out there that are holding
a good job because of lies and
misrepresented skills and lack of
depth of knowledge that comes with
education and experience.

They are out there working in almost
every job category there is. They are
basically just cheating the system.

in this case, actions are credentials it would seem.
I hope mandatory sentencing does not destroy this villan.

a reply to: andy06shake

Maybe the end justified the means?

People amaze me, whew!
So if this was a fake Dr same? Cheater liar using someone else's credential?

This is the same as saying all illegal aliens who become good citizens were not wrong in sneaking past the legit people who filed for citizenship or to come legally to the country.

This is the same as saying all illegal aliens who become good citizens were not wrong in sneaking past the legit people who filed for citizenship or to come legally to the country.

To a reasonable person, this is not the same as saying that at all.

originally posted by: ADAMandEVIL
a reply to: M5xaz
Well first, I didnt and dont defend her crime, she should be punished of course.
I wouldn't condone or recommend this behaviour ever, but I also wouldn't condone drinking alcohol ever or parachuting ever, or eating sauerkraut because I dont fancy the smell.
You sound almost attacking and are far too assumptive, because I don't support what you say I do AT ALL.
I used this example to ask a deep philosophical question, if what we do can justify how we did it.
Like the Tianmen Square incident or Ghandi's acts proving that defiance can be the right choice, or how the destruction of a baby Hitler would have been an ultimate salvation for millions, it's just philosophy.
Nothing about that says anything about my views or opinions, I dont know how you got to that conclusion.
Anyway, on point
A better example may be spies in wartime, they've saved untold numbers of lives yet decieved to do so- and we applaud them for their heroism and bravery. What about the Mulan example, or the example from Ms.Doubtfire?

One can't justify a crime in itself of course, and that's my query for debate.
When IS it justified, IF it can be.

And the whole fake it till ya make it thing is a simple catch phrase, I'm not telling people to do that
Only people in the rally crowd would think I'm saying that literally

Totally ridiculous.

You are comparing to GHANDI a fake nurse that STOLE someone's identity and so doing placing LIVES AT RISK ?
Or to Tiannamen Square protests ?
Or to spies in wartime ?

No relation.
Your comparison is like comparing an airplane and someone's shoe size.

This CHEATING was done SOLELY for the fake nurse'S own FINANCIAL BENEFIT. SHE STOLE. CAPICHE ?

This fake nurse did not free India, protest communists in China, or spied on the Nazis to win the War.


Insane comparison.

NO justification for what she did.
NONE !!!

a reply to: SeaWorthy

Does this fictitious fake Doctor cure people and perform his duty for 20 years, adequately, and to the betterment of his patients?

If so where is the fakery aside from on a piece of paper?

If these ""illegal aliens"" as you put it, take it you mean Mexicans, with as much right to the land as the rest of the European immigrants that colonized the place, contribute to society in a meaningful manner, pay taxes, and work for a living, just like the next fellow, then yes i suppose it is rather similar.

Don't hate the player's mate, hate the game.

a reply to: M5xaz

How many people did this fake Quebec nurse kill over the years ??

So tell us then..how many did she kill?
I'm not condoning her actions..it just seems you are a bit over the top..triggered even

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: M5xaz
Seriously? You think people cant learn outside a classroom setting?

The lady did the job for 20 years, I'm sure if she had a record of killing people it would have been noticed. If that happened and it wasn't noticed I would question the facility, not the individual.

Personally, I'll take an unlicensed nurse with 20 years experience over a doctor fresh out of school any day.

Continuing education is part of most professions, whether Engineering, Law, Medicine, Nursing etc.
Those courses are NOT designed to create a knowledge base -they are structured assuming you have years of University under your belt.

Clearly, you never have been to ANY continuing education class. Do you even have a University/College degree ?

The vast, VAST majority of Nursing school graduates are highly competent -the few bad apples like are difficult to get rid of, nowadays.
With the Quebec Nursing Unions, it is near-impossible to get anyone fired in the government-run health system, no matter how incompetent. It's like the VA in the US.

For someone to have gone through the trouble of digging through historical data, which is very difficult with privacy laws, in order to verify her age matched that of the licence is extremely RARE.

This is how that faker got caught.

The only reason anybody would go through that trouble is that she exhibited glaring incompetence and were looking for a reason to get rid of her.

You state :
"Personally, I'll take an unlicensed nurse with 20 years experience over a
doctor fresh out of school any day."

Then you are glaringly ignorant of the VAST scope of knowledge even a fresh doctor has over a nurse, never mind an "unlicenced" one.

If you were in a real life and death in an ER, I seriously doubt you would go through with your preference for an unlicensed nurse over a fresh Doctor.

originally posted by: trollz

originally posted by: M5xaz
a reply to: ADAMandEVIL
You seem unable to understand this imposter PUT LIVES AT RISK.


You are supporting the rallying cry of the below 85 iQ crowd too stupid to understand the vast scope of what they don't know and that the LARGE volume of information required and essential is the reason it takes 4 years to be an RN nurse

My mother went through nursing school and became a registered nurse. She also has such a low IQ that I'm quite certain she'd test as legitimately retarded. Honestly, having a nursing degree means absolutely nothing if people like my mother are able to obtain it. I'm not saying that to be mean, I'm saying it because it's true. I'd actually feel safer in the care of this fake nurse than in the care of nurses like my mother, especially considering that I just about died once because of their collective stupidity.

The vast, VAST majority of Nursing school graduates are highly competent -the few bad apples like your mom are difficult to get rid of, nowadays.

Logic dictates that the near totality of UNTRAINED people in ANY profession will be FAR LESS competent that trained people.

Otherwise, you are essentially saying:

IGNORANCE BETTER THAN KNOWLEDGE.

Ridiculous.
Self-evident false statement.
Perhaps you genetically inherited your mom's logic "skills"

This is ATS
Deny Ignorance

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: M5xaz

I think honestly that the job of a Nurse has changed a lot over the last 20 years or so and I don't really think that the vast majority of the public quite understand how. I don't think they realise that its actually the nurse who might be reading that ECG or interpreting that blood work, they just see someone cleaning bums and taking BP's but they don't actually see the calculations involved in getting the drug dosages just right, they don't see the nurse who has just passed that ALS course that the doctor sitting next to them failed. They don't quite get that the reason for the doc putting in that chest drain is actually because a nurse felt the surgical emphysema, or that actually its the nurse who knows exactly what to put on that nasty wound, I could honestly go on all day the point is that these days nurses do much much more than I think the public give them credit for. That even before you start looking at the kind of work of nurse practitioner's/specialists/managers and even nurse consultants.

PRECISELY !!!!!!!!!!!
Could not have said it better.

originally posted by: TheGreatWork
a reply to: M5xaz

You seem unable to understand this imposter PUT LIVES AT RISK.

Because she had no official piece of paper, or because her skills were not up to par?

NO.
Because as OtherSideOfThe Coin and I have said separately above, the knowledge base required today of an RN is impossible to "learn on the job"

RN is vastly more complex than on the job training at McDonalds.

Why do you think it takes FOUR YEARS of FULL-TIME University for an RN degree ?

To get the same knowledge over 20 years on the job, someone would have to spend over TWO MONTHS FULL TIME each
year away from work, patients, TWO MONTHS only READING BOOKS/CLASSROOM Time. NEVER HAPPENS.

No employer in ANY field gives you much more than a few WEEKS (not MONTHS) each year for continuing education.


God.

The butthurt jealousy of the uneducated McDonalds trainees is strong in this thread !

I'd have to say they need to offer her a chance to pass the exams with 20 years' worth of knowledge at hand, and if she does, she retains her job and has beyond a doubt proven she is NOT a risk to patients.

The certs don't mean everything, experience & ongoing hands-on learning does count for a hell of a lot more than people admit. A 10 year nurse can be certified to hell and back, but be a moron on the job without tangible experience to draw from.
The books and classes only go so far, my sister-in-law was a nurse for a long time and it was one of the things she hammered into people who thought it was an easy career path -- the classes teach less than experience does, you start the job an idiot and stay that way for years until you get enough hands-on experience to be truly competent. Books and classes didn't teach her that.

a reply to: ADAMandEVIL

Funny my first thought was she was educated but did not get a certificate for what ever reason.
I think a bumbling nurse would be tolerated for about a minute on the ward.

originally posted by: Nyiah
I'd have to say they need to offer her a chance to pass the exams with 20 years' worth of knowledge at hand, and if she does, she retains her job and has beyond a doubt proven she is NOT a risk to patients.

The certs don't mean everything, experience & ongoing hands-on learning does count for a hell of a lot more than people admit. A 10 year nurse can be certified to hell and back, but be a moron on the job without tangible experience to draw from.
The books and classes only go so far, my sister-in-law was a nurse for a long time and it was one of the things she hammered into people who thought it was an easy career path -- the classes teach less than experience does, you start the job an idiot and stay that way for years until you get enough hands-on experience to be truly competent. Books and classes didn't teach her that.

Why ?

She STOLE SOMEONE's IDENTITY FOR TWENTY YEARS !!!

You just seem unable to understand.

My guess is you have little/no certification/University yourself.

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: M5xaz

I think honestly that the job of a Nurse has changed a lot over the last 20 years or so and I don't really think that the vast majority of the public quite understand how. I don't think they realise that its actually the nurse who might be reading that ECG or interpreting that blood work, they just see someone cleaning bums and taking BP's but they don't actually see the calculations involved in getting the drug dosages just right, they don't see the nurse who has just passed that ALS course that the doctor sitting next to them failed. They don't quite get that the reason for the doc putting in that chest drain is actually because a nurse felt the surgical emphysema, or that actually its the nurse who knows exactly what to put on that nasty wound, I could honestly go on all day the point is that these days nurses do much much more than I think the public give them credit for. That even before you start looking at the kind of work of nurse practitioner's/specialists/managers and even nurse consultants.

PRECISELY !!!!!!!!!!!
Could not have said it better.

Actually, Otherside said it infinitely better than you, he just gave info, you just tried to belittle along with adding info.

a reply to: ADAMandEVIL

PS I also think she should be given the chance to be certified. Specifically if she had a good record.
They kept her for twenty years so she at least did a good enough job to not get fired in all that time.
But then there is the big lie and thats a pretty big one... she obviously doesn't mind presenting herself as someone else which calls her ethics into question so....
wow not an easy call is it?