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posted on May, 31 2019 @ 01:14 PM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: OccamsRazor04




No, the lie about it will prevent birth control is the lie.


It didn't say it would "prevent" birth control. I said the law would make certain common methods of birth control illegal.



I believe states have the ability to do just that if they go through their legal systems.


I believe that question will have to be answered by the Supreme Court.




posted on May, 31 2019 @ 01:26 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

I think the states have a very good chance of winning.



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 02:08 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha




to ban abortion and the mention of abortion, are actually human rights' violations, according to the United Nations and several world health organizations and treaties.

And the US citizens should give a rat's a__ about what the UN says , why ?
I dont
We do not live under UN law
We have our own

edit on 5/31/19 by Gothmog because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 02:17 PM
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a reply to: Gothmog

I know, and you don't give a rat's ass about women's health and reproductive rights in the USA either.



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 02:18 PM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: Sookiechacha

I think the states have a very good chance of winning.


Of making common methods of birth control illegal? Or, of passing personhood laws, that would have that affect.



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 02:21 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: OccamsRazor04




No, the lie about it will prevent birth control is the lie.


It didn't say it would "prevent" birth control. I said the law would make certain common methods of birth control illegal.



I believe states have the ability to do just that if they go through their legal systems.


I believe that question will have to be answered by the Supreme Court.


the days of legislating through the judicial branch are coming to an end



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 02:39 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Yeah, Planned Parenthood is "ringing the bell". Take notice!

Prove them/me wrong, instead of dismissing information because you don't like the source. And, by the way, lots of Republican women get abortions and use birth control.




Yeah, they're ringing a bell all right ... GOING OUT OF BUSINESS! Please, save our bottom line. We need more baby parts.



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 02:40 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Bluntone22

People think a lot of things. Doesn't mean they should be able to force their opinions on the lives of others.

I thought Republicans were for less regulations and small government.


You're right, they shouldn't, and that includes the ones waiting to be born who can't tell you they don't want to be murdered because you couldn't be bothered to be responsible about your one night stand.



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 02:46 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Perhaps women who want abortions are expressing the will of their unborn offspring. I think she's more qualified to do so than the government.



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: ketsuko

Perhaps women who want abortions are expressing the will of their unborn offspring. I think she's more qualified to do so than the government.




I agree, so just show me a signed consent form signed by the offspring.



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 03:52 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: ketsuko

Perhaps women who want abortions are expressing the will of their unborn offspring. I think she's more qualified to do so than the government.




Unborn child wanting to be aborted...
Now I've heard it all.

It takes all of 2 seconds to put yourself in their place and to make the right choice.



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 03:55 PM
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a reply to: JAY1980

Murderer: I did not murder that man your honor, I was expressing their will.
Judge: And they told you this?
Murderer: No I just knew it to be true.
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posted on May, 31 2019 @ 04:17 PM
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a reply to: JAY1980

Anyone tells you they know and speak for what any unborn child wants, then you've "heard it all".

It's ridiculous to assert that an unborn, non-viable embryo or fetus even has wants.



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 04:18 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

The unborn are not "people", and don't have personhood.



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 04:27 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: ketsuko

The unborn are not "people", and don't have personhood.


Yet



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 05:03 PM
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a reply to: Bluntone22

Are you hoping that the unborn get personhood rights? Why do you value the rights of the potential life of a fertilized egg over that of your wife, mother, sister, daughter...?

Do you want to see poor and desperate women die from unsafe abortions?



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 05:28 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

I plan on selling rusty coat hangers.
Is that what you want to hear?

But seriously I don't understand how some people decide where a fetus becomes a person.
I say the cut off is 4 months.
After that the mother can deal with it.

But nobody will compromise so we get the half baked legislation from New York and georgia.
Consequences be dambed.



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 06:16 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

I don't need someone to tell me they need to live. That is the default position.
Can a 1 year old tell you they want to live? What a 1 month old?

So we can kill them too?



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 06:17 PM
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a reply to: Bluntone22




But seriously I don't understand how some people decide where a fetus becomes a person.


It's not "some people", it's the pesky old Constitution and the 14th Amendment. SCOTUS has repeatedly ruled that a fetus is not eligible for 14th Amendment rights.

SCOTUS has generously granted states the opportunity to unilaterally protect a fetus from abortion once it achieves viability, at about 24 weeks.



But nobody will compromise so we get the half baked legislation from New York and georgia.


The New York law codifies Roe V Wade, in the event that its nullified or overturned. New York's current state laws on regulating late term abortions is a state's issue, as granted under Roe V Wade. Georgia's is not.



posted on May, 31 2019 @ 06:38 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: ketsuko

Perhaps women who want abortions are expressing the will of their unborn offspring. I think she's more qualified to do so than the government.





The will of an unborn child is to be dismembered? To be an offspring they have to be a human being, is that what you are saying?




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