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posted on Mar, 4 2005 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by WyrdeOne
Thanks, you just spent all that time and proved what?


To prove you don't know what you are talking about and all your arrogance and impudence won't change that fact.

www.google.com...:+impudence


[edit on 05/3/4 by GradyPhilpott]




posted on Mar, 4 2005 @ 08:05 PM
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Grady, Grady, Grady

How did you prove me wrong? I know you think you did, but clearly you didn't. The definition of fascism you provided fits precisely with what I said; Hierarchichal, Authoritarian, blah, blah, blah. You're succeeding at one thing and one thing only, persuading me you're incapable of defending your own assinine comments.


*** Liberty from oppressive government intervention in the daily lives of its citizens, from illicit searches and seizures, from enforced religious values, from intimidation and arrest for dissenters; and liberty to cast a vote in a system in which the majority ruled but the minority retained certain inalienable rights.


Oppressive government intervention, illicit searches and seizures, enforced religious values, intimidation and arrest for dissenters, a vote that was rigged by cronies in private business. I'd say that's a nice tight match wouldn't you?


*** Equality in the sense of civic equality, egalitarianism, the notion that while people differ, they all should stand equal in the eyes of the law.


Bush and Co. are believers in civic equality, that would explain his tax cuts...
Egalitarianism, you have got to be smoking something Grady! Equal in the eyes of the law, under this administration or any other? ROFLMAO Defend your statements, please.


*** Fraternity in the sense of the brotherhood of mankind. That all women and men, the old and the young, the infirm and the healthy, the rich and the poor, share a spark of humanity that must be cherished on a level above that of the law, and that binds us all together in a manner that continuously re-affirms and celebrates life.


Brotherhood? The poor have rights? A spark of humanity that must be cherished on a level above the law, that binds us all together in a manner that continuously reaffirms and celebrates life..C'mon man, don't make me do this... Bush is a born again Christian. He believes 75% of America will BURN FOREVER IN ETERNAL HELLFIRE! That's not reasonable, or life affirming, or good or decent -- That's criminally insane! It's official, either you didn't read the links at all before you posted them, or you hang upside from the rafters and perceive the world from that direction..I can't understand how else you could see EVERYTHING (every single goddamn thing) in reverse.

And now you're saying I'm providing flippant answers to your 'serious' question? Please do tell me how I'm being impudent. BTW: You can save yourself the time (and the mistakes), always linking to dictionaries and what not, I live in a library.


I can stand toe to toe with any man and demand his respect. What makes you think you're the teacher and I'm the student? Be reasonable, use logic, and try to come up with some explanation for why us saying America is fascist is 'intolerable.' So far I believe I proved it's not only tolerable, but reasonable and logical.

The side by side definitions speak for themselves. America is Authoritarian, and Hierarchichal, pseudo-religious patriotism is so thick on the ground in this country you could lay foundations with it. The burning towers, the rapidly produced boogey man, the unjustified war of racial agression, this is all following a pattern!


[edit on 4-3-2005 by WyrdeOne]

[edit on 4-3-2005 by WyrdeOne]



posted on Mar, 4 2005 @ 08:13 PM
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I don't have to defend my statements because they are well enough stated the first time. If you think that the US is a fascist state, by any definition, then you are not in contact with reality.

If you really believe your description of America, take your arrogant, condescending buffoonery someplace where it will be appreciated. Iran would be a good place to start looking. Oh yeah. You make me sick.



posted on Mar, 4 2005 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
If you really believe your description of America, take your arrogant, condescending buffoonery someplace where it will be appreciated. Iran would be a good place to start looking. Oh yeah. You make me sick.


Buffoonery? heh I like that one. You think the fascists in Iran would like me any better? You're saddly mistaken Grady old man. I'm a thorn in every a-hole's side.

I make you sick? I don't think so. Try coming down from the rafters and standing on your own two feet. Perceive the world as a man does, skull to the ceiling, feet to the floor, that should take care of the vertigo...

I'm upset you don't feel the need to clarify your unclear intentions. Your earlier posts seemed to bolster my argument, I wanted to give you a chance to backpeddle and start over again.

Was it also condescending when you asked me about my supermarket checkout line dictionary? Of course it was. I gave you back what you gave away. You should be thanking me. In fact, I gave it back seven fold. You should be more appreciative of such generosity.




posted on Mar, 4 2005 @ 10:53 PM
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“Let's see, when the facts are against you, pound the law. When the law is against you, pound the facts. When the facts and the law are against you, pound the table. The GOP is about to reduce the table to kindling.”—Unknown Author

Fritz stern is a leading scholar of European history. Professor Fritz Stern is not a leftist academic. When an authority such as Stern makes the comparison between what's happening in the US today and what happened 70 years ago in Germany, its wakeup time. Stern lived through it all, I think he would know and I accept his word over those that choose to doubt. I submit this speech he delivered when accepting the Leo Baeck medal from the institute:

“Twenty years ago, I wrote about “National Socialism as Temptation,” about what it was that induced so many Germans to embrace the terrifying specter. There were many reasons, but at the top ranks Hitler himself, a brilliant populist manipulator who insisted and probably believed that Providence had chosen him as Germany’s savior, that he was the instrument of Providence, a leader who was charged with executing a divine mission. God had been drafted into national politics before, but Hitler’s success in fusing racial dogma with a Germanic Christianity was an immensely powerful element in his electoral campaigns. Some people recognized the moral perils of mixing religion and politics, but many more were seduced by it. It was the pseudo-religious transfiguration of politics that largely ensured his success, notably in Protestant areas.

German moderates and German elites underestimated Hitler, assuming that most people would not succumb to his Manichean unreason; they didn’t think that his hatred and mendacity could be taken seriously. They were proven wrong. People were enthralled by the Nazis’ cunning transposition of politics into carefully staged pageantry, into flag-waving martial mass. At solemn moments, the National Socialists would shift from the pseudo-religious invocation of Providence to traditional Christian forms: In his first radio address to the German people, twenty-four hours after coming to power, Hitler declared, “The National Government will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built up. They regard Christianity as the foundation of our national morality and the family as the basis of national life.”

Let me cite one example of the acknowledged appeal of unreason. Carl Friedrich von Weizsaecker, Nobel-laureate in physics and a philosopher, wrote to me in the mid-1980s saying that he had never believed in Nazi ideology but that he had been tempted by the movement, which seemed to him then like “the outpouring of the Holy Spirit.” On reflection, he thought that National Socialism had been part of a process that the National Socialists themselves hadn’t understood. He may well have been right: the Nazis didn’t realize that they were part of an historic process in which resentment against a disenchanted secular world found deliverance in the ecstatic escape of unreason. German elites proved susceptible to this mystical brew of pseudo- religion and disguised interest. The Christian churches most readily fell into line as well, though with some heroic exceptions."

Full text here: www.lbi.org...



posted on Mar, 5 2005 @ 12:00 AM
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That's a lengthy quote, but it's relevance is questionable. Bush is a "born again" Christian, but contrary to what Wyrde thinks, that is not such a bizarre or unrealistic position. When a person says that they are born-again, they mean that they have reoriented their lives toward the spiritual elements of life. They mean that they have recognized the higher spiritual power, which they call God, and the ability of that power to transform their lives.

The life changes that George Bush has made in the last 25 years or so, while being the object of much ridicule by many, is a testament to that power. Whether or not GW believes that non-Christians will burn in hell, is questionable, as all Christians do not believe alike, but it is a tenet of the religion that hell awaits those who die without receiving salvation.

The comparison of Bush or America to Hitler or mid-twentieth century Germany is, so far, completely without merit, I don't care what credentials anyone possesses. It could happen that America could become like Germany, but an awful lot of things would have to take place.

For one thing, the entire nation would have to be marching in lock-step and if the election proved anything, it proved that such a condition does not exist. Secondly, the electoral process and the Constitution would have to be completely destroyed and Bush would have to be re-elected or somehow maintained in office. In four years, we will have a new President and an awful lot of people give Hillary Clinton a good chance of being nominated by the Democrats and of winning the election. It should be noted that Hillary is a hawk.

Ever since this war began, there has been a concerted effort on the part of the public and private sectors to avoid scapegoating any group of citizens, even to the extent of preventing any type rational profiling. In order for the Hitler analogy to hold, there would even have to be conducted a series of invasions with the express intent of enslaving those nations. There never has been any such action carried out by the US ever, despite the irrational and irresponsible rantings of countless idiots.



posted on Mar, 5 2005 @ 02:58 AM
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Originally posted by soficrow

PistolPete - I don't deny there is a history - I post lots about that history.


No you don't. Please don't say that. I've followed you a great deal.


What I see now is that everything bad is escalating out of control, right now. IMO - we're in the endgame, the final stages. Everything that's gone before is coming together now. Like a carefully crafted puzzle. And we are a fascist state.


Perhaps the endgame but only with a complicit media, which pushes global warming. Which tries to bring upon us supranational legislation. Which you find okay, because it's part of the "Bush is evil" hypothesis, and not a good thing. Which, most nations aren't going to abide to and the US Senate which voted not to support is a politically moot point..

We are the final stage, *in my tin foil opinion. But correlating G.W. Bush to Hitler and fighting a war against reason to prove that particular hypothesis in complete spite of fact just makes most of us look like idiots. And even that statement makes me look like a crazy ****.

Fight the partisan fight to win WATS votes or believed credibility. Lying to people loses readers to the real point, which is to show what the global elite is doing. Irregardless of political or corporate affiliations.

*That's why I'm a member of a conspiracy site, so I can say that crazy stuff.


PS. I'm a machine operator/part time student at a good company/major state university. Not a CIA/NSA/FBI disinfo agent.





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posted on Mar, 5 2005 @ 03:02 AM
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And all this because some dumb ass at Chuck E. Cheese wouldn't go outside to keep the argument from the kids. Which is the obvious reason they asked the dude to go outside.

I've gotten nailed by a tazer. By my roomate. It doesn't really hurt.

Edit because I left the "g" out of "argument".

[edit on (3/5/0505 by PistolPete]



posted on Mar, 5 2005 @ 03:16 AM
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Grady Philpott
“That's a lengthy quote, but it's relevance is questionable. Bush is a "born again" Christian, but contrary to what Wyrde thinks, that is not such a bizarre or unrealistic position.”

I think it reasonable to say, perhaps over broadly, that all Christians are born again. I believe the term refers to being reborn free of original sin. The quotes relevance does not hinge on this distinction but addresses different sects of Christianity from a historical perspective. The entire speech has more on this subject but I could easily forgive you for not reading the entire thing.

Grady Philpott
"The life changes that George Bush has made in the last 25 years or so, while being the object of much ridicule by many, is a testament to that power."

Yes and I cannot think of a President of this nation that was not a man of faith and relied daily on the strength that his faith provided. I do not judge or question his religious beliefs.

Grady Philpott
"The comparison of Bush or America to Hitler or mid-twentieth century Germany is, so far, completely without merit, I don't care what credentials anyone possesses. It could happen that America could become like Germany, but an awful lot of things would have to take place."

It is not a persuasive argument that you do not care for credentials and declare world renowned experts to be without merit. I cannot dismiss my viewpoint out of hand simply because you do. When there are disputes amongst authorities whether scientific, theocratic, or academic there is ample material to quote from dissenting experts.

They can be tricky to find so I will not expect you to produce one instantly but if you are to successfully dispute such contentions you may want to find them and keep them handy. I look forward to genuinely considering any credible experts you wish to cite.

Grady Philpott
“For one thing, the entire nation would have to be marching in lock-step and if the election proved anything, it proved that such a condition does not exist. Secondly, the electoral process and the Constitution would have to be completely destroyed and Bush would have to be re-elected or somehow maintained in office.”

There are many, and I am one, that have no faith in the integrity of our voting system. I am speaking of the manner in which we cast and count ballots not gerrymandering or electors. Sham elections are a hallmark of fascism. I maintain that the last three national elections were shams.



Grady Philpott
"In four years, we will have a new President and an awful lot of people give Hillary Clinton a good chance of being nominated by the Democrats and of winning the election. It should be noted that Hillary is a hawk."

I would sooner put a gun to my head than vote for Hillary Clinton. Clinton was a traitor in my eyes because he sold high tech missile guidance systems to China making it possible for the first time in history for them to accurately target the US. This is treason. I consider “white water” to be the most colossal white wash in history. Clinton began the process of abrogating our Constitutional rights after Oklahoma City. Janet Reno was a disaster. She is one that failed up. She was directly responsible for 3 race riots in my city, Miami, before being promoted to attorney general and burning men women and children alive in Waco. I suspect Hillary is as much a fascist as Bush.

Ever noticed that Waco victims are unworthy of our nations sorrow but Oklahoma City victims are?

Grady Philpott
”Ever since this war began, there has been a concerted effort on the part of the public and private sectors to avoid scapegoating any group of citizens, even to the extent of preventing any type rational profiling.”

Except of course the over 5,000 Muslims detained for questioning some deported and the surveillance of Mosques in the US. The government has responsibly tried to avoid incidents such as what happened in Arizona on 9/12 where a Sikh store owner was shot to death because he wore a turban. Attacks on the Muslim faith are unrelenting from the Christian right, this is persecution or “scapegoating”. Our government cannot discriminate but its supporters can hurl the basest bile. “They hate us for our freedom”, is a common one and I think it is dead wrong and unconstructive.

Grady Philpott
“In order for the Hitler analogy to hold, there would even have to be conducted a series of invasions with the express intent of enslaving those nations. There never has been any such action carried out by the US ever, despite the irrational and irresponsible rantings of countless idiots.”

You may have a point here and I am willing to listen to it. I would like to think as you do but will not be deceived by propaganda. I do see my nation going to war for what I believe is a combination of reasons:
1. Oil
2. To hasten the rapture
3. To hasten the formation of a police state in America and privatize defense.

Sorry if I seem like an idiot to you I am trying hard not to be. It would help me if you could point out exactly what you think is irrational and why but it is not essential you do so in your very next post.



posted on Mar, 5 2005 @ 03:32 AM
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This thread started out about a guy who got tazered at a Chuck E Cheese.

I just now remembered that.

I had this epiphany a second ago, and I realized this ATS thread has in effect become like Chuck E Cheese; with the most eccentric band of characters one could hope to imagine. We're recreating the incident like a civil war re-enactment.

PistolPete
I have a question for you. Is it possible that these sort of incidents are going unreported to a large extent? I'm starting to think that there is a marked, provable increase in the incidences of police violence being used to prevent or pre-empt citizen violence. There was for a while, a sort of feeling of accomplishment surrounding human rights in this country. That was a while ago, and it appears we have actually failed to achieve substantially since then.

Is it possible that this isn't the fault of some conspiracy, or some grand design. Could it be that we're on an evolutionary tangent, leading into the abyss (bear with me)? Violence is one of the most advanced concepts in nature, the exceedingly violent creatures do the best, hands down. Is it possible we're experiencing run away evolution?

Think about it for a second. Our societies demand an ever-increasing level of civility, while at the same time, violent genes sowed back in charlegmanes era continue to spread and dominate the gene pool. The conquerors of history, all the wars we've fought, where the most violent survived to breed...

I think it's a theory that can be backed up with evidence from the animal kingdom, and evolutionary theory. If it's true then there will continue to be a widening split between what we are and what we desire to be, as a nation and as individuals. What are the possible solutions for such a problem?



posted on Mar, 5 2005 @ 03:49 AM
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Originally posted by PistolPete
I've gotten nailed by a tazer. By my roomate. It doesn't really hurt.


It's not a rare incident.
I used to think it was.
I think every year more college kids get dropped by a tazer BY THEIR ROOM MATE than by campus security, the police, and the army combined.
Ahh...it's good to know people can still have fun in this world.

Anyway. Yeah. I was gonna make a point, right, let's not forget the purpose tazers serve. They're not meant to win arguments. They were designed to subdue violent suspects, not punish mouthy pedestrians and restaraunt patrons.

Then there's the matter of the giant octopus that's wrapped around the globe. The aliens were supposed to be here by now to take care of that for us, I don't get it.


Oh, and PistolPete, what was your point earlier about global warming? I didn't understand what your position was or how it relates to this. There will be fewer Chuck E Cheese restaraunts in Florida when there's no more Florida.



posted on Mar, 8 2006 @ 11:54 AM
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Hey Spiff;
You must be either a cop or a facist or both! What gives anyone the right to hurt an unarmed man? Especially one with his childeren? There were many other ways to handle this situation without this "officer of the law" tasering this man in the middle od Chuck-E-Cheese. Even if he didn't pay for the salad it is not constituted as theft until he leaves the building. What if the guy was there with a birthday party.....He would not have a recipt. Only the party giver pays for all the people going to the party.
Perhaps he was trying to explain but the idiot cop would not listen.
Cops and other "authority figures" have WAY too much power. If this keeps up we will all be living under the rules of power hungry facists like yourself. Grow some gonads and question authority. That is what founded this country.



posted on Mar, 8 2006 @ 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by Doug249
Cops and other "authority figures" have WAY too much power. If this keeps up we will all be living under the rules of power hungry facists like yourself. Grow some gonads and question authority. That is what founded this country.


I agree with you 100%. There are to many cases just like this one everyday.

The "Authorities" do not have enough tasers or even bullets to deal with a revolution, and that is exactly what I see coming if this bs keeps going.

Stick it to the man!

The problem is that cops (not all of course) are brainwashed into thinking that they are doing the right thing. Ha!!!


df1

posted on Mar, 8 2006 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
If you really believe your description of America, take your arrogant, condescending buffoonery someplace where it will be appreciated. Iran would be a good place to start looking. Oh yeah. You make me sick.

It seems that anytime a "faux patriot" doesnt like what is said, he wants to toss the offender out of the country. Rest assured Grady, that the "sleeping majority" backlash is coming. So I suggest that you start keeping a barf bag next to your bed, because your going to be made much sicker.



posted on Mar, 8 2006 @ 12:37 PM
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I do not seek to toss anyone out of the country for disagreeing with me, but for those citizens who hate America emigration is an excellent option. And to whom might you be referring as a "faux patriot" and why would you dredge up a year old thread to do so? Never mind. Any old excuse will do.


df1

posted on Mar, 8 2006 @ 01:48 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
for those citizens who hate America

I love America and I believe those of the "faux patriot" ilk are destroying America.


emigration is an excellent option.

The current demopublican reigme running American imposes its will via carrot and stick, to say nothing of WMDs, on every country on the planet, so emigration is no option at all. Besides it would be unAmerican to run from the forces that oppose liberty.


And to whom might you be referring as a "faux patriot" and why would you dredge up a year old thread to do so?

I've dredged up nothing. My definition of "faux patriot" is a description of those that wrap themselves in the American flag, while expousing a patently unAmerican ideology. IMHO the ideology that you expouse is unAmerican and that your rhetoric is the equivalent of wrapping yourself in the flag.
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posted on Mar, 8 2006 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by df1
My definition of "faux patriot" is a description of those that wrap themselves in the American flag, while expousing a patently unAmerican ideology. IMHO the ideology that you expouse is unAmerican and that your rhetoric is the equivalent of wrapping yourself in the flag.


Well, it is my opinion that your rhetoric is the equivalent of smearing yourself with doggie-do!


df1

posted on Mar, 8 2006 @ 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
smearing yourself with doggie-do!

I dont think the cops would get close enough to taser me. Do you think they'd just shoot me?



posted on Mar, 8 2006 @ 02:58 PM
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No. I think you'd be considerably more diplomatic than the fellow in question.



posted on Mar, 8 2006 @ 03:09 PM
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The police should have never been involved in this. The guy should have complied with the manager's request to produce a receipt. He refused.

The situation and it's outcome was totally in the guy's hands. And to think he deliberately escalated this with his two kids present is shameful. Now they had to watch as Daddy acted like a smartass with the police.

The police asked him to step outside, most probably because of all the children and families present. Once again, the fool chose the hard way out.

He deserved to get tasered and should be slapped with child abuse charges also.

And those who blame Bush for the cop's actions, and call this a fascist nation, are either pulling someone's leg or are extremely paranoid.




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