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Robert Mueller's first statement about Russia probe

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posted on May, 29 2019 @ 03:48 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker




He said if they found evidence that the president did not commit a crime, we would have said so. We did not however make a determination whether the president did commit a crime.


Imagine that burden of proof in practice? A prosecutor says "We have not found evidence that you did not commit a crime". Freaky stuff.




posted on May, 29 2019 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: Arnie123

There were two parts to the investigation.
The investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election which determined that they had waged a concerted attack on the United States and one candidate in particular. And the extent of the trump organization with that attack.
Here they determined insufficient evidence.
The second part was the investigation where trump himself was the target. Obstruction of justice. Here is where they say take it to congress where it belongs. You have your case.



posted on May, 29 2019 @ 03:51 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: shooterbrody

My point is the DOJ as a ehole operates under the scope they cannot indict a sitting president. (I just learned this today, everyone has permission to laugh at me)


That is the correct...they cannot, and as Mueller also said they can't even make that charge, or retain it under seal.



posted on May, 29 2019 @ 04:10 PM
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originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: RadioRobert

If trump had any ideas of clearing up his intent in his actions he could have sat down to an interview so they could gage his intent. He avoided any chance of being questioned on his responses. We can only guess his intent.
Since he didn't answer the questions in a setting that would have made it clear.


Fortunately, we don't allow the government to "guess" people's intent or actions. The government must instead demonstrate intent or action with evidence...

Trump is under no compulsion to discuss either his intents or actions with anyone. You can address that at the ballot box, not by removing a duly elected President for intent or actions you "guess" at.



Unless they impeach then he has no option to declare executive privilege. Oh and you seem to be confusing Starr-working for the office of independent counsel(not a part of the justice department) and Mueller working for the DOJ. Mueller could only report the facts and clear someone of guilt. IF the doj could press charges it would have to be Barr...but he penned an opinion piece saying the president can not commit obstruction so....he ain't gonna do that.



posted on May, 29 2019 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

He did not say that.

Let the inquiries and hearings begin.



posted on May, 29 2019 @ 04:15 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

Yeah I saw that. I didn't know you were being tested and I kept giving you the answers. LOL.



posted on May, 29 2019 @ 04:15 PM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Arnie123

There were two parts to the investigation.
The investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election which determined that they had waged a concerted attack on the United States and one candidate in particular. And the extent of the trump organization with that attack.
Here they determined insufficient evidence.
The second part was the investigation where trump himself was the target. Obstruction of justice. Here is where they say take it to congress where it belongs. You have your case.

Like I told Sook, Congress doesn't have the public support and the Senate will squash it, the House has exhausted all options for a farce.



posted on May, 29 2019 @ 04:18 PM
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that does not mean mueller could not recommend to do so in his report mueller chose not to


He chose not to because trump would not have a venue to defend himself if he did.
There would be no trial. No cross examination. Muellers statement would be it. That would not be fair.
So instead he said here is what you need and the constitution provides the venue where this information can be used.



posted on May, 29 2019 @ 04:19 PM
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a reply to: Auth3nt1k




Mueller could only report the facts and clear someone of guilt.


Seriously? That is backwards! What country do you actually live in?

Here in America, investigators seek out to find if there is any actual evidence of guilt. You are innocent until proven guilty! Those are the facts.



posted on May, 29 2019 @ 04:19 PM
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a reply to: Arnie123

That's not how it works. Congress has a constitutional duty, regardless.



posted on May, 29 2019 @ 04:19 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Turns out he was a target. Or a subject at the very least.

Mueller referred to it as the investigation into the president.
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posted on May, 29 2019 @ 04:20 PM
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originally posted by: CynConcepts
a reply to: Auth3nt1k




Mueller could only report the facts and clear someone of guilt.


Seriously? That is backwards! What country do you actually live in?

Here in America, investigators seek out to find if there is any actual evidence of guilt. You are innocent until proven guilty! Those are the facts.


Mueller laid out lots of evidence of wrong doing. The president's guilt andor culpability is decided by Congress.
edit on 29-5-2019 by Sookiechacha because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 29 2019 @ 04:22 PM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: shooterbrody




that does not mean mueller could not recommend to do so in his report mueller chose not to


He chose not to because trump would not have a venue to defend himself if he did.
There would be no trial. No cross examination. Muellers statement would be it. That would not be fair.
So instead he said here is what you need and the constitution provides the venue where this information can be used.


Actually, the president would be impeached thus removing him from the Presidency if there was sufficient evidence of criminal wrong doing. Then, he would have his day in federal court. It is merely a process of justice not a loophole to avoid criminal prosecution.



posted on May, 29 2019 @ 04:25 PM
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a reply to: CynConcepts

The function and rules for the two special counsels have changed over the years.
The star report only laid out the findings. He was still referred to congress for impeachment.
There were never any referrals for indictment in a criminal court.



posted on May, 29 2019 @ 04:26 PM
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originally posted by: CynConcepts
a reply to: Auth3nt1k




Mueller could only report the facts and clear someone of guilt.


Seriously? That is backwards! What country do you actually live in?

Here in America, investigators seek out to find if there is any actual evidence of guilt. You are innocent until proven guilty! Those are the facts.



He is not in court...this is not court. He isn't even a prosecutor like so many people keep saying... he is a special counsel tasked with investigating the 2016 election interference. He can say the president is innocent. He cannot however say the president is guilty or ask for charges. Even if he had Trump on video saying yeah I'm intentionally trying to obstruct justice HE COULD NOT RECOMMEND CHARGES. He worked for the AG it was up to him.

What he did was put together a list of proof of obstruction of justice. Even going so far as to state that it was the presidents intention to interfere with the investigation and submitted that to the AG. What happened from that point was up to Barr.



posted on May, 29 2019 @ 04:27 PM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

You are way over simplifying this.



posted on May, 29 2019 @ 04:27 PM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi


For those who are acting retarded, that means there IS evidence that the president committed a crime.



Why is it let up to us to determine what is a crime or not, or even at what level? Mueller said it is not up to the investigation to determine guilt or innocence.

Just tell me what is in the report that is a crime, period. Just get away from the whole can't indict a President crap, so unless the President did all these crimes by himself there is a good number of people that are not the President that should be indicted. Well until they said no one will be indicted....What does that mean no one, but the President committed a crime...ok



posted on May, 29 2019 @ 04:28 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: CynConcepts
a reply to: Auth3nt1k




Mueller could only report the facts and clear someone of guilt.


Seriously? That is backwards! What country do you actually live in?

Here in America, investigators seek out to find if there is any actual evidence of guilt. You are innocent until proven guilty! Those are the facts.


Mueller laid out lots of evidence of wrong doing. The president's guilt andor culpability is decided by Congress.


Mueller listed in his summary what allegations they had investigated, not evidence of wrong doing. I am seeing where so many are becoming confused by that list. There was insufficient or no evidence of obstruction found in order to request impeachment.



posted on May, 29 2019 @ 04:28 PM
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a reply to: LDragonFire

So this clown hand picked for the job by his buddy comey who has the urge after his report was filed to come out and basically say the president committed a crime yeah no this who thing was a witch hunt and I pray that bars can find all the evidence he needs to prove this was an attempted coup and all members of coup need to take a short walk with a lil drop and a sudden stop., or they need to stand in front of a rifle squad even if that reaches all the way up to congressional members or former presidents.



posted on May, 29 2019 @ 04:28 PM
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edit on 29-5-2019 by proteus33 because: Double post



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