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Who needs the government? Build the wall!

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posted on May, 28 2019 @ 11:20 AM
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So Mexico isn't paying for the wall.

The government isn't paying for the wall.

Private U.S. citizens are paying for the wall.

And this is winning?




posted on May, 28 2019 @ 11:21 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Babylon?

Oh, wait that was that a tower.

edit on 28-5-2019 by andy06shake because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 28 2019 @ 11:23 AM
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The US border is the center of the Rio Grande river, not where a fence is placed.



posted on May, 28 2019 @ 11:33 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot
So Mexico isn't paying for the wall.

The government isn't paying for the wall.

Private U.S. citizens are paying for the wall.

And this is winning?


If the goal is to have a wall one way or another then yes it is winning. If the liberals do not want to fund it, or find a way for Mexico to fund it then there isn't a lot the President can do. When I say find a way, how about creating a work visas program where workers can buy a limited time visa, come here and work during the seasons we need them and then go home. Add to this hefty and enforced fines for any business not using the visa program and you would not only remove work from illegals, but also pay for the wall and other border needs.

Something like this will not happen as the liberals will stop it at every turn...illegals are a tool for them to use why would they want to change anything?



posted on May, 28 2019 @ 11:39 AM
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originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: ScepticScot
So Mexico isn't paying for the wall.

The government isn't paying for the wall.

Private U.S. citizens are paying for the wall.

And this is winning?


If the goal is to have a wall one way or another then yes it is winning. If the liberals do not want to fund it, or find a way for Mexico to fund it then there isn't a lot the President can do. When I say find a way, how about creating a work visas program where workers can buy a limited time visa, come here and work during the seasons we need them and then go home. Add to this hefty and enforced fines for any business not using the visa program and you would not only remove work from illegals, but also pay for the wall and other border needs.

Something like this will not happen as the liberals will stop it at every turn...illegals are a tool for them to use why would they want to change anything?


A better visa system and heavier fines for using illegal workers all sound a better system for dealing with immigration even without the wall.

Do kind of need the government to work however.



posted on May, 28 2019 @ 12:15 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

And it relies on the government to enforce the laws which seems to be a large part of the issue at the present time.

Smaller government means more honor system with business and that doesn't work well.



posted on May, 28 2019 @ 12:16 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

Don't forget Republicans need them. Neither side has been trying to fix the problem.

Our "representatives" only care about staying in power and issues like this give them talking points and rally cries for their reelections.

One of the smartest things the Republicans did was passing LGBT rights because it took away the lefts thunder. The left is a little slow on the uptake or they would let the wall be built. The voter, in general, has a very short attention span and when the elections come along and the border is secure they would be debating the right on what other big issues? Abortion?

The border is something that could have been fixed a long time ago. The drug problem from mexico could have been fixed as well. I remember Panama we could have easily done the same with Mexico and probably been welcomed by the people and part of their government. It was so bad down there the farmer took up arms "illegaly" and formed ther own military to combat the gangs and drug lords.



posted on May, 28 2019 @ 12:24 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

A better visa system and heavier fines for using illegal workers all sound a better system for dealing with immigration even without the wall.

Do kind of need the government to work however.


I don't think one thing would ever work, there isn't magic in any one aspect of border security. When you look at it we are not talking just a wall, but high tech sensors, drones, patrol etc. too, but the wall part would do a couple of really good things, physically it would stop most like your locked doors do, and slow down a good amount more. It also funnels people that can get across into tight crossing areas such as 1000 people using a few long ladders to get over, or a tunnel instead of crossing at 1000 different points, and this would greatly increase the efficiently of drones.

Then there is the message to stop people from even trying, stop caravans from even thinking it would be successful to come here. They come today because the left has put out the positive message for them to come with their sanctuary cities and subsistence support, they use children as human shields because that is the message the left gives them. A wall says don't come here illegally...period, and so many will not even start the trek in the first place. 10,000 people in a caravan has nothing to do with the country they come, but the message we send to them from here that gives them motivation.

Lastly, if we turn jobs into legal jobs then illegals will not have work and so will once again not come, go home, or actually work within the system to work here under a work visa.



posted on May, 28 2019 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: Xtrozero

Don't forget Republicans need them. Neither side has been trying to fix the problem.

Our "representatives" only care about staying in power and issues like this give them talking points and rally cries for their reelections.




Both sides of congress sucks, no one wants to bite the bullet to fix this the right way. The left just has gone not only from just doing nothing, but to support illegals every way they can. This makes the President look bad and gives them ammo to suggest things like "the President is separating families!" and 100 other statements that all have been created by the left as they send positive messages for them to come in the first place.

So the right got their heads in the sand not wanting to upset their future election potential, and the left is actively trying to create an unworkable situation to throw mud on the President.



posted on May, 28 2019 @ 12:52 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

Yaas! You see it clearly. Hell, there is probably more to it, but that is the jist. Every time one of these big issues is solved they know from experience they are hurting themselves. Do nothing congress is a very apt description of what we have allowed to run this country. One day it will all crumble a country can only keep going for so long on this type of government.



posted on May, 28 2019 @ 01:08 PM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: Xtrozero

Yaas! You see it clearly. Hell, there is probably more to it, but that is the jist. Every time one of these big issues is solved they know from experience they are hurting themselves. Do nothing congress is a very apt description of what we have allowed to run this country. One day it will all crumble a country can only keep going for so long on this type of government.


Congress use to run 30%+ for approval ratings and in the last 10 years they been in the teens, so one would think they would self reflect and do something different.



posted on May, 28 2019 @ 01:12 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

If people want to crowd fund their own wall , more power to them.. no one should be able to tell them no, assuming they can purchase the land.



posted on May, 28 2019 @ 01:13 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

A new party took power in Congress.. for that entire period the gop ran congress.



posted on May, 28 2019 @ 01:27 PM
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originally posted by: JustJohnny
A new party took power in Congress.. for that entire period the gop ran congress.


Its not just that...it goes back and forth with every President, but what has changed is there isn't moderates on either side anymore.



posted on May, 28 2019 @ 02:44 PM
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I don't understand...why is this frigging wall so expensive to build????

I can drive a half a mile of sheet piling for less than a million dollars! Seriously. And, that's all that's really required here. (Note - and, it's all they're really doing in the picture). It's gonna' take a pretty industrious fella to cut a hole in a piece of sheet pile too! Sure, it can be done, but not by some wetback in a pickup truck and it ain't gonna be very big either (that stuff is tough) Plus, any holes can easily be welded back up again, and be stronger than before.

So, by my numbers, the wall itself should only cost about $4b, not $32b (or anywhere close to it).

You don't need all that fancy equipment like they've got in the picture, just a vibratory sheet piling rig or two. Putting sheets 10-12 feet in the ground only takes a couple minutes per sheet. The biggest challenge would be the sheer shipping and sourcing of the material.

Why does the government have to make everything so flipping difficult???
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posted on May, 28 2019 @ 02:57 PM
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And another thing...the wall probably doesn't have to be the full 2,000 miles long. Illegals only cross where there's somewhere to go (i.e cities and towns, etc). (and maybe this is where Redneck was going) If you start the wall at the most likely destinations for illegals and build outward from those points in both directions, it becomes increasingly more difficult and perilous for those illegals who do make it across.

I'd wager you could build 1/4 or 1/3 of the wall and knock out 99% of the illegal problem. In that case, my $4b estimate goes down to just over $1b.



posted on May, 28 2019 @ 02:59 PM
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There will also be naysayers saying it hasn't done anything to stop crime, people or drug transportation kn the Tijuana border.

Maybe we should focus on taking down the cartels and find a way to stop paying them 109 billion per year to spend on tunnels, trucks, boats, submarines, catapults, and drones.



posted on May, 28 2019 @ 03:01 PM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

You would probably stop many of the peasants who come to work. But you aren't stopping the cartels transporting people or drugs that way.

Basically the most dangerous people will still be funneling in. How many kids does el chap have here?
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posted on May, 28 2019 @ 03:08 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot
So Mexico isn't paying for the wall.

The government isn't paying for the wall.

Private U.S. citizens are paying for the wall.

And this is winning?


It would seem its as in your face as that, rich/unelected people now decide what is best for the populous, (hypothetically)what if musk/gates are democrats and wants to build a bubble over a certain state, just bypass congress and pay for it yourself

WINNING!!



Is politics of the future going to be about crowdfunding ?, is this the next stage in dividing each and everyone of us further apart, if backing the wall makes you feel good, I hope its always your guy in charge because this could set a dangerous precedent, for when its the other guy in charge.

While I always maintain every politician is crooked, there is a megre bit of power we have when we vote, I will never back any crowd funded anything, too old to give my money away.
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posted on May, 28 2019 @ 07:18 PM
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if the Senate by some chance goes to the Dems in 2020, they'll try again -- although I doubt they'll win by a large enough margin to make any such passage veto-proof.

No way that'll happen. The Democrats couldn't even hold on to the margin they had during the midterms; they lost ground. the way the economy is going, things are only going to get better by 2020, and people vote with their wallet.

If there were any hope of getting the Presidency back, getting control of the Senate, or even keeping control of the House in 2020, there wouldn't be nearly the talk of impeachment and character assassination that is going on now. They'd be better off to wait things out at this point. The polls are purposely skewed like they were during 2016, so much that even the most undesirable Democrats are showing ahead of Trump, and they still don't show even Biden as over 50%!

TheRedneck




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