a reply to: JDmOKI
So you mean to tell us only Muslims of very specific empires were waging war from the crusades until... now?
Wars are conducted by states and ruling governments. Are you saying that the empires of Europe had no wars they were fighting the entire time the
Ottoman empire existed?? You cannot call one nation/state/empire a war monger and then completely ignore and dismiss all the other players in the
world warring against each other in parallel with the same time periods.
Tell us how many wars were waged to spread Islam into south-East asia?? My reading on history was that it expanded into the East rather peacefully
(peaceful relative to the battles waged in the West
) through commerce/trade and other cultural exchanges.
Did you forget that expansion of European empire into the Western hemisphere lead to the worst genocide that we know of in human history? Those were
not Muslims my friend. They were either representing the interests of the various Monarchs, ultimately up to either the Church of England or the
Vatican Church. And some Dutch as well.
Colonization of the western hemisphere by Europeans murdered multitudes more than by Ottoman or Moorish expansion. Subsequently, the two global wars
of our modern age, where we all like to move the goal posts to when the ugly past of one side is brought up, which combined is responsible for the
deaths of over 80 million humans over two split periods of just under ten years each, were both started by Europeans, fighting each other! Its like
Christians cant seem to stop fighting each other now for 2000 years or something. it matters not that there was no single religious institute
commanding all Christians, the vast majority of those fighting for God and Country
in Europe were Christians, whether practicing or
mostly in name only like today.
Can you explain to me why 2000 years on, Christians cannot stop killing each other, or how because some Muslims fight each other over some simple
differences that is somehow worse than all the sectarian government ordered wars causing Christians to fight and murder each other in two world
The hypocrisy and prejudice is quite easy to expose when we actually do side by side comparisons. If we were really being honest, we would be able to
see that Islamic empires have actually contributed to significantly less bloodshed than those of the Christian and sectarian nations of their Western
European neighbors over the same 700 year period of time (a sound bite that is repeated when triggered by any mention of Islam). For the most part,
that is mostly in reference to the Ottoman empire in any case. Lets ignore the fact that Islam had spread to Africa and South-East Asia through mostly
trade and commerce without raising armies to conquer anybody. Who was raising armies in that same time period though, conquering and enslaving African
states and committing wholesale genocide in North and South America? Europeans of course, many allegedly on missions for Christ. But we know religion
is just the excuse to get idiots as cannon fodder. It has always been and will always be about taxable land, resources, and access to markets. Whether
they be Ottoman, Italian, Portuguese, Dutch, Chinese, British, American, French, Greek or Persian.
SO to claim that Islam has some exclusive claim to externally directed or internally directed violence is pure ignorance at its worst! All humans are
capable of #, and we prove it on a daily basis. That search link I provided of so many American mothers and fathers murdering their children and whole
families. Look through it long and hard, because it stretches back decades, and most of them have nothing to do with Islam. Motives range from no
reason at all- to "God told me too" , but somehow when criminals who can be connected to Islam commit violent crimes against humanity in war zones,
all 1 billion + Muslims who had nothing to do with those crimes are collectively responsible somehow, even the ones residing in America. W go even
further and start claiming that those behaviors are common place and widespread, but I have shown in this thread that they are not.
Anybody who cannot see the level of ignorance that line of thinking comes from is unable to reflect introspectively. Just another trigger to unleash
baseless sound bites that do not hold up to actual scrutiny and investigation, or history for that matter.