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Jeremy Corbell: So, there are famously three, officially released, pentagon verified videos: your video – the Tic Tac video – the one from your command, the Gimbal video – where we see the craft that looks like just like Lazar described in that movement, and then the Go Fast video. Now, the talk about those, I want to hear the pilots that filmed the Gimbal, the pilots that filmed the Go Fast, it’s been publicly said already – so the cubes with circular auras, that’s public. So those things that we’ve talked about or heard about online, tell me about the pilots…you know…people like to argue “The Gimbal is an airplane that is just turning or banking and the heat signature is of something prosaic.” Can you talk about those other vehicles or crafts, from other pilots, and what you see in those videos? Cmdr Dave Fravor: Yeah. Let’s start with the Gimbal video. That’s the one where the guys are talking and it starts to rotate. You know, it looks like a kind of a saucer with a thing sticking on top, the bottom does this (rotating hand motion.) OK, so I talked to one of the crews that was out there doing that, that was out there when the video was shot. If you understand what you are looking at, it’s cause people are, “ah it could be an airplane,” no, it couldn’t be. There’s debunkers that say, “oh, it’s this,” it’s not. Usually when an airplane roles at this point there’s this thing that keeps us flying, they’re wings, and wings create lift. When you go like this (sideways hand motion) there is no lift. If you don’t pull, it does this (downward falling hand motion.) So really in theory, like a ninety degree angle, a bank, who’s seen the Blue Angels or the Thunderbirds? They are really not totally at ninety, they have to…they use a little rudder and they can do some things to keep the airplane…as it flies by or there are knifeheads pass. But truly at zero degrees of ninety degrees angle bank there is zero lift being created and the airplane will start to descend. It just sits there. So if it does, it has to put ‘G’ on and you are going to see an aspect change like this (right turning hand motion.) So if it’s this way (sideways hand motion) you are going to see this (right turning hand motion) or this (left turning hand motion.) In that video you don’t see any change, it just sits there. And it roles around like this (rotating hand motion.) And it doesn’t move. You get no aspect change at all. George Knapp: It’s not an airplane that we know. Cmdr David Fravor: No. No, actually they almost hit one. There’s a couple things…this is all off Virginia by the way. It’s the VACAPES. So there’s whiskey areas out there too. That’s where NAS Oceana (Naval Air Station Oceana) goes out and trains. So they actually, there’s a couple things, they’ve tracked them just sitting there, they’ve tracked them at high rates of speed. They’ve been tracked lots. The radars they are using now are even better than the ones I had in the Super Hornet. It’s pretty amazing. So, more advanced technology, you know…cooler stuff…more capable. They’re seeing it. At first they thought they were…when they first saw it, they thought, “oh these are just ghost hits,” and I’m like, “no that radar really doesn’t provide ghost hits,” which are false targets. It’s pretty good. And then someone actually threw their targeting pod out there and there was something there, cause you can’t hide from the targeting pod if you’ve got any type of heat signature. And that’s what really started this, but they’ve been seen by many people as far as on the radar and there’s been a couple that have seen visual cause one guy almost hit one, it was just sitting there.
George Knapp: This is recent. This is real recent. Cmdr David Fravor: This is within the last five years. Jeremy Corbell: Did they describe these things as conventional aircraft or how did they describe these things they almost hit, Dave? Cmdr David Fravor: They describe it…as well the one that almost got hit was like a clear beach ball sphere with a cube inside. So the, little apexes at each corner hit the cube. So I don’t know if it’s like a…you know…is it like a beach ball or is it like a force field? I don’t know. There’s something around it.¹