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If we kill the Electoral College

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posted on May, 26 2019 @ 08:30 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: Blaine91555


Rural America always has the power to cut off the food and energy supply. Blue Collar workers can shut the whole country down.


"We'll cut off your food and energy?"

Why even say such a thing, why would they consider such a thing?

That's essentially extortion against fellow Americans.

And it's thinking like that that harms us as a country.

Smh. Go figure.


The concept of giving all power over to the large cities should unnerve everyone,


Power isn't given to cities. That argument is antiquated BS.


Power isn't given to them outside of the cities yet in America.

Would we all sit still for mandatory vaccines, or gun control because Mayor Deblasio demands it?




posted on May, 26 2019 @ 09:44 PM
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Those who are trying to remove the electoral college are seeking a specific political outcome, NOT the strongest and best representation for the nation.

Liberals giving up our liberties...


a reply to: Justoneman



posted on May, 26 2019 @ 10:00 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: Blaine91555


Rural America always has the power to cut off the food and energy supply. Blue Collar workers can shut the whole country down.


"We'll cut off your food and energy?"

Why even say such a thing, why would they consider such a thing?

That's essentially extortion against fellow Americans.

And it's thinking like that that harms us as a country.

Smh. Go figure.


The concept of giving all power over to the large cities should unnerve everyone,


Power isn't given to cities. That argument is antiquated BS.


Extortion for fellow Americans is telling the rural citizens that feed the nation that their vote no longer counts unless they vote a certain way, then they will be taken care of by their government.

You want Hunger Games, the American version.

It isn't going to work for the simple reason that rural America is self-sustainable.

Urban America is not.

As for "power isn't given to the cities", that certainly seems to be what Progressives want.

You know, circumventing the Electoral College.

That argument isn't antiquated... it is currently ongoing.

Keep up.


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posted on May, 26 2019 @ 10:04 PM
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Watching the progressive left fall, it's like escorting your semi-retarded klepto friend out of your house. They just keep grabbing for inconsequential nick-nacks and stuffing them in their pockets, still a little power-drunk.

Ya feel a little bad for em.. they can be cool, but when they have a little too much, they get belligerent and you just have to draw a line.

I don't see any of these States getting anywhere with their stupid ploy. Cooler heads will prevail, and their walk of shame will be talked about as little more than a cautionary tale.

Sad really. Should have known when to stop. All of this could have been avoided.



posted on May, 26 2019 @ 11:22 PM
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a reply to: Justoneman

Too much hype.

The EC has only affected 5 out of 58 elections. That is only around 8.6%. So most of the time, over 90%, the "tyranny of the majority", another over-hyped idea, is the choice which stands.



posted on May, 26 2019 @ 11:39 PM
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a reply to: conspiracytheoristIAM

How? Simple. Unless they have 3/4th of the states sign on to it, its a non starter.



posted on May, 27 2019 @ 02:11 AM
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The Democratic party would especially want the electoral college abolished because they have lost by electoral vote when they won the popular vote. Two recent examples: Gore vs Bush in 2000 and Clinton vs Trump in 2016.

I think it would be a bad idea to remove the electoral college because lower population areas wouldn't benefit from voting.

Keep the electoral college and set limits for campaign spending by politicians and their wealthy individual and corporate backers. Also, limit muckraking and advertising by suddenly money rich campaigners.
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posted on May, 27 2019 @ 05:06 AM
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So, a few thoughts here...

The very first time the electors vote, against the vote of their respective state, for the popular majority instead of their state's wishes...the Republic is lost.

That first part is easy to say, but let's look a little more closely at what this would mean in reality. Let's look at just how quickly things would unravel into complete chaos politically. Here's the scenario...

You have a state whose electors vote with the majority, against the votes of their state (all, or even in part). Let's just say you have a mass defection of electoral votes (at a minimum). Further, let's say the state in question is a critical swing state. Now what? Is the election valid? And this slippery slope just gets steeper and more slippery from here, and it's not very far at all before it becomes a cliff from which there is no return.

So what do you do? Do you ignore that state to certify the elections? (Instant anarchy) Do you go with the state's split electoral vote to select the president? (that one is going to the SCOTUS, and pronto!) Do you, try to fix the problem, and then have a run-off (basically a re-election)? What do you do, AND...who is president while all this takes place???

Remember, some of these challenges could take YEARS to resolve!! Years to resolve BEFORE you could have another valid election (unless you just start throwing electors in prison for not following the COTUS). Now, it's no secret I like Trump, but not even I want him staying in office, not that way!!!!

And what of the political divide in this country while all this is going on? It would only grow bigger by the hour! Pretty soon people would be in the streets...and not long after this the fighting starts.

So yeah, let's monkey around with one of the fundamental underpinnings of the Constitution of the United States of America. Let's go right ahead and do just that! Sounds like a positively GREAT idea, doesn't it??? **extreme sarcasm**

Here...hold my beer!



posted on May, 27 2019 @ 05:21 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Justoneman

Too much hype.

The EC has only affected 5 out of 58 elections. That is only around 8.6%. So most of the time, over 90%, the "tyranny of the majority", another over-hyped idea, is the choice which stands.

Go bury your head in the sand and let those who care to stay free talk, thanks for sharing so we know where you stand.

Oh and it isn't too much hype, these people want to kill the EC, plain as day. Trying to do it is NEWSWORTHY and you wish to pretend it isn't so.



posted on May, 27 2019 @ 05:24 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Justoneman

Too much hype.

The EC has only affected 5 out of 58 elections. That is only around 8.6%. So most of the time, over 90%, the "tyranny of the majority", another over-hyped idea, is the choice which stands.


WRONG!!

The Electoral College has affected every single election in the United States of America since 1789!

Every single one of them!

Game over! Thanks for playing.
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posted on May, 27 2019 @ 06:21 AM
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Another idiotic liberal Democrat idea that wants to destroy the fabric of the greatest country.

These people should be protested for even brining up something so stupid.



posted on May, 27 2019 @ 06:30 AM
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originally posted by: Bloodworth
Another idiotic liberal Democrat idea that wants to destroy the fabric of the greatest country.

These people should be protested for even brining up something so stupid.


Those aren't the Democrats that I thought they were when I was a kid. Maybe they never were is why I left them. I now consider this plan has been in place since before I was born. Woodrow Wilson's got the ball rolling just before the Great Depression. The or those like Hildog that still think they know what is best for all of us better than we do, as was pointed out previously.

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posted on May, 27 2019 @ 11:19 AM
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It's funny how people think that one change to the way we vote for president is going to bring us back to medieval times. It's pure paranoia and absurd delusion, especially calling it the "fabric" of our country. That is a terrible argument. Slavery was part of the fabric of our country originally. Just because something was done in the past or traditionally, does not make it correct or applicable to today.

It makes sense to treat each individual's vote as an individual vote when deciding the president of the whole country. We are a democratic republic, but people love to ignore the democratic part. The way it is set up now makes it impossible for 3rd parties to win and stacks the deck against real candidates that could REALLY change things for the better. It also makes democrat votes in republican states and republican votes in democratic states mean nothing, thus it is not democratic like voting for every single other official position.

The ONLY reason people still cling to this archaic organization is because historically it gets republicans in office and that's literally it for the supporters. You can reference all kinds of nonsense about the past and why it was helpful THEN, but today is much different. There is no reason to keep this thing going, it makes landmass more valuable than people and punishes states with high populations and makes all votes not for the popular party in the state useless. I prefer a system where everybody has a say.

So the bottom line is that we wouldn't have had 2 of the worst presidents of all time if not for this garbage system basically empowering a vocal minority and giving them more voting power than everybody else. They don't want every individual having a voice because the republican party dies tomorrow if the system is fair. Imagine if a black person got 2 times the voting power of a white person to help balance out races in votes? That's basically what republicans are supporting with the electoral college. By today's standards white people elect the president. Why not balance it, like you do for low population states??? It's the same illogical nonsense as people who claim "California decides the election under popular vote" which is a complete lie. The entire US population would decide it. Pretending it's not fair because California happens to have more people is ridiculous and is exactly the same as balancing the races.

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posted on May, 27 2019 @ 11:33 AM
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a reply to: Barcs


I actually think it would be the DNC that would already have died if the system is fair because more than 100% voted in several of their areas like California, Michigan , Minnesota etc where they can keep bringing votes in days after the election was over. Illegal votes were cast and we all know it who care to educate themselves.They cheat to win so there is that.



posted on May, 27 2019 @ 11:35 AM
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originally posted by: Justoneman
a reply to: Barcs


I actually think it would be the DNC that would already have died if the system is fair because more than 100% voted in several of their areas like California, Michigan , Minnesota etc where they can keep bringing votes in days after the election was over. Illegal votes were cast and we all know it who care to educate themselves.They cheat to win so there is that.


LOL! Why would democrats need to cheat in California??? Are you really pretending that no republicans engage in voter suppression or fraud? Come on....



posted on May, 27 2019 @ 11:49 AM
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a reply to: Justoneman

So you can't really refute the facts?

Knowing where I stand is as important as the EC. It really doesn't make a difference.

The bickering about the EC is hyped.



posted on May, 27 2019 @ 11:49 AM
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originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: Justoneman
a reply to: Barcs


I actually think it would be the DNC that would already have died if the system is fair because more than 100% voted in several of their areas like California, Michigan , Minnesota etc where they can keep bringing votes in days after the election was over. Illegal votes were cast and we all know it who care to educate themselves.They cheat to win so there is that.


LOL! Why would democrats need to cheat in California??? Are you really pretending that no republicans engage in voter suppression or fraud? Come on....


Because they can. Enough said about it because now we know they did and now we have every reason to believe they will again. The whole HRC outvoted DJT lie comes tumbling down if you have legal voters registered voting one time and one time only. Cheaters need to keep cheating to win.



posted on May, 27 2019 @ 11:51 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Justoneman

So you can't really refute the facts?

Knowing where I stand is as important as the EC. It really doesn't make a difference.

The bickering about the EC is hyped.



You made your bed in the lies/ It has been reputed ad nauseam on ATS and your tired mantra has worn thin.



posted on May, 27 2019 @ 12:02 PM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Maybe poor word choice on my part but even though it has been part of every election, it only made a difference in 5.

In every other election it made no difference.

If it had not existed 90% of the election results would have been the same.

I guess you can claim the butterfly effect to say the future would have been different but you can't say it would have been for better or for worse.
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posted on May, 27 2019 @ 12:05 PM
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a reply to: Justoneman

What does that even mean?

I've seen people say that the EC is this great protector of freedom but the fact is that it has only made a difference 5 times and what difference did it actually make?







 
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