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Finland is winning the war on fake news. What it’s learned may be crucial to Western democracy

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posted on May, 25 2019 @ 08:04 PM
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originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Absolutley. The evidence should be given to the proper investigative channels. It's too easy to fake anything today. By the time the truth came out the damage would be done.

The other reason is what is Russia's reason for giving this information to a campaign instead of federal investigators? Probably to alter the outcome or to sow discontent.





Except the "proper" investigative channels were compromised toward supporting the democrat party, and they mostly still are, especially in the field.


Field agents are far less biased than the higher political positions.

And no I don't believe that. I think there is a whole lot of political spin on both sides over this and its hiding the fact both parties vote for more surveillance laws (more probable cause) to trap Americans in a bulk data net. Then they pull from the bulk data and fabricate a web of possible crimes to justify more invasive surveillance.

Field agents are far more likely to be non political and most I have met lean conservative.




posted on May, 25 2019 @ 09:22 PM
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originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Absolutley. The evidence should be given to the proper investigative channels. It's too easy to fake anything today. By the time the truth came out the damage would be done.

The other reason is what is Russia's reason for giving this information to a campaign instead of federal investigators? Probably to alter the outcome or to sow discontent.





Except the "proper" investigative channels were compromised toward supporting the democrat party, and they mostly still are, especially in the field.


Field agents are far less biased than the higher political positions.

And no I don't believe that. I think there is a whole lot of political spin on both sides over this and its hiding the fact both parties vote for more surveillance laws (more probable cause) to trap Americans in a bulk data net. Then they pull from the bulk data and fabricate a web of possible crimes to justify more invasive surveillance.

Field agents are far more likely to be non political and most I have met lean conservative.


No, I know quite a few "field" agents, and the bias was towards Obama and Hillary even more so because of the extreme bias of the top brass encouraging them that there would be no repercussions for that bias. Still LOTS of bias inside the DOJ, CIA, NSA, and FBI, and even with William Barr at the DOJ there is still immeasurable bias happening, and it is influencing all kinds of legal havoc. The CIA/NSA is still leading the huge disinformation campaign within the MSM today.



posted on May, 25 2019 @ 10:08 PM
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So what I’m getting here is that it’s FINALLY okay once more to criticize spelling and grammar. Tell me it’s true. Tell me it’s no longer required to consider whether a poster’s native language is English before ripping them a new butthole. I got it, I got it, ad hominem is a no no, but I’m pretty darn tired of accommodating terrible writing as if we’re on a level playing field.

And before you get all up in arms about how I’m being elitist, or pretentious, no. Stop. If we were having a conversation in Portuguese I would sound like a seven-year-old reading a technical manual over the phone, but we’re not.

I’m not talking about relating facts, I’m referring to analysis. The long and the short is I am SO tired of accommodating “simple” mistakes like incorrect there/their/they’re usage, or “ur” instead of “your/you’re,” use internet shortcuts at your own risk. English has rules, and if you want to discuss higher concepts, the least you can do is make an effort to speak it, or at the very least not get butthurt when corrected.

So can we finally call snip writers trolls, or dare I say, Russian trolls?



posted on May, 25 2019 @ 10:37 PM
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originally posted by: LDragonFire
Russia's goal was to divide us, well it worked we are certainly divided. Unless we can come back together despite or differing political opinions , we are living in the last days of the USA.


No, the politician's goals were to divide us and use the media to do it, while blaming on russians. Have you been living under a rock and haven't noticed what is going on?

Cheers - Dave



posted on May, 25 2019 @ 10:47 PM
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well done, ATS, for three solid pages of proof of exactly why the things the OP talks about are crucial



posted on May, 25 2019 @ 11:33 PM
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What will happen when it becomes impossible to detect? Seriously. Outside of partisanship, I think this is just one of the problems that is going to eventually become insurmountable.

This is part of the reason I think the future wold will either be ruled by emotionless AI (that has completely removed humans from leadership) or the world will fall into chaos. I mean, it will probably not happen within our lifetime. But I think we're in for a very bumpy ride.


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posted on May, 26 2019 @ 12:22 AM
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originally posted by: continuousThunder
well done, ATS, for three solid pages of proof of exactly why the things the OP talks about are crucial


Too right! It really is going to be difficult to battle. The Alt-right use a kind of gas-lighting strategy to paint any reputable source as being as part of the "conspiracy" and that their alternative conspiratorial fringe pieces are the real truths. Scientists and academics, journalists etc cannot be trusted and are all in on some kind of socialist conspiracy. It's then really easy to just write off anything that goes against their narrative as being part of the agenda. Finland has it right, we need to in-still critical thinking and a thorough understanding of academic integrity and the scientific method into people starting from school kids. It's going to take a decade or more to fix this. And yes, the conspiracy theorist in me thinks that much of this is being stirred by certain actors in nations that wish to see the end of the west. More and more evidence is going to start coming out about this in the coming years I suspect.

I think what people need to be taught in relation to anything they see is

1. Is this trying to persuade me in some way?
2. Who is it?
3. Are they reputable (what are their credentials
4. Who do they represent (look into their background)
5. Why? (what are their motives)
6. IS IT FACTUAL? (Is what's being presented actually true? Are there reputable independent sources of what is being presented?)

We need to look at this impartially, trying to seperate our biases as we do so
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posted on May, 26 2019 @ 06:44 AM
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originally posted by: LDragonFire
Former tea partiers now trumpers look how easily you have been manipulated.


I know you aren't able to see my amazing tree, what with all those wooden things with leaves in your way, but I assure you, it's a nice tree.

But your post has that special touch of irony attached to it that just makes me smile. Thanks for that.



posted on May, 26 2019 @ 07:00 AM
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I'm not surprised Finland has classes like this. Russia has been using fake news stories as a means to destabilize the governments in that region for a while.

For example, a few years back Sweden was holding a drill for some kind of man made disaster. It was either a terror attack or an attack by a foreign power. Russian agents then began disseminating claims that the government was lying and that the drill was just a cover for an actual attack.

Another great example is how they reported on MH-17. In that case they didn't even really put much effort in to their lies. But it was still enough to muddy the waters and get the more gullible among us to believe that Russia was innocent and that it was the West that shot down the airliner on purpose.

Anyone that doesn't think Russia uses fake news against other countries are either ignorant of the proven cases of them doing just that or they are blinded by partisan politics.



posted on May, 26 2019 @ 08:02 AM
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originally posted by: continuousThunder
well done, ATS, for three solid pages of proof of exactly why the things the OP talks about are crucial

You mean like me sourcing and quoting fake news from CNN?

But Russia.



posted on May, 26 2019 @ 08:15 AM
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originally posted by: bobs_uruncle

originally posted by: LDragonFire
Russia's goal was to divide us, well it worked we are certainly divided. Unless we can come back together despite or differing political opinions , we are living in the last days of the USA.


No, the politician's goals were to divide us and use the media to do it, while blaming on russians. Have you been living under a rock and haven't noticed what is going on?

Cheers - Dave

The political parties want there side to win to have power, media wants to make money and they use sensationalism to do it. Russia wants us to hate each other based on political beliefs so we accomplish nothing and become weak because of it.

To be strong we need both right and left wing

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posted on May, 26 2019 @ 08:17 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: continuousThunder
well done, ATS, for three solid pages of proof of exactly why the things the OP talks about are crucial

You mean like me sourcing and quoting fake news from CNN?

But Russia.

Your working really hard to prove my op.



posted on May, 26 2019 @ 08:37 AM
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originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Absolutley. The evidence should be given to the proper investigative channels. It's too easy to fake anything today. By the time the truth came out the damage would be done.

The other reason is what is Russia's reason for giving this information to a campaign instead of federal investigators? Probably to alter the outcome or to sow discontent.





Except the "proper" investigative channels were compromised toward supporting the democrat party, and they mostly still are, especially in the field.


Field agents are far less biased than the higher political positions.

And no I don't believe that. I think there is a whole lot of political spin on both sides over this and its hiding the fact both parties vote for more surveillance laws (more probable cause) to trap Americans in a bulk data net. Then they pull from the bulk data and fabricate a web of possible crimes to justify more invasive surveillance.

Field agents are far more likely to be non political and most I have met lean conservative.


No, I know quite a few "field" agents, and the bias was towards Obama and Hillary even more so because of the extreme bias of the top brass encouraging them that there would be no repercussions for that bias. Still LOTS of bias inside the DOJ, CIA, NSA, and FBI, and even with William Barr at the DOJ there is still immeasurable bias happening, and it is influencing all kinds of legal havoc. The CIA/NSA is still leading the huge disinformation campaign within the MSM today.


William barr is the man who created the architecture for the surveillance laws.

You folks are totally blind to the reality.



posted on May, 26 2019 @ 09:36 AM
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Don't know if I should laugh or cry when it comes to the OP. Just a good example of someone being completly blinded by their patrioism. People lime this are easily manipalated and easily conditioned.

And their are alot of other out there, from all countries, hence the reason why these sociopathic people in power get away with all the things they do.

We just never learn!



posted on May, 26 2019 @ 11:36 AM
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a reply to: LDragonFire

Saying it doesn't make it true. Russia is meaningless. The real enemy is within, and it's the partisan mainstream media that foments division daily.



posted on May, 26 2019 @ 11:43 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

This is true.

But russia has always been masters of propaganda.

I just read it's highly possible stalin is responsible for Roswell. He was surgically altering humans and putting them in drone ships attached to the underside of a large plane and dropped it near our nuclear testing site to create a massive propaganda campaign. Since he was doing these experiments for years prior our gov did as well to see what he was doing, not knowing it was for propaganda. This is why it hasn't come out since we were mutilating homeless people.



posted on May, 26 2019 @ 12:02 PM
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originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Absolutley. The evidence should be given to the proper investigative channels. It's too easy to fake anything today. By the time the truth came out the damage would be done.

The other reason is what is Russia's reason for giving this information to a campaign instead of federal investigators? Probably to alter the outcome or to sow discontent.





Except the "proper" investigative channels were compromised toward supporting the democrat party, and they mostly still are, especially in the field.


Field agents are far less biased than the higher political positions.

And no I don't believe that. I think there is a whole lot of political spin on both sides over this and its hiding the fact both parties vote for more surveillance laws (more probable cause) to trap Americans in a bulk data net. Then they pull from the bulk data and fabricate a web of possible crimes to justify more invasive surveillance.

Field agents are far more likely to be non political and most I have met lean conservative.


No, I know quite a few "field" agents, and the bias was towards Obama and Hillary even more so because of the extreme bias of the top brass encouraging them that there would be no repercussions for that bias. Still LOTS of bias inside the DOJ, CIA, NSA, and FBI, and even with William Barr at the DOJ there is still immeasurable bias happening, and it is influencing all kinds of legal havoc. The CIA/NSA is still leading the huge disinformation campaign within the MSM today.


William barr is the man who created the architecture for the surveillance laws.

You folks are totally blind to the reality.


Not blind to anything. Barr has a new job now. Ripping down dirty democrats.

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posted on May, 26 2019 @ 12:06 PM
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originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Absolutley. The evidence should be given to the proper investigative channels. It's too easy to fake anything today. By the time the truth came out the damage would be done.

The other reason is what is Russia's reason for giving this information to a campaign instead of federal investigators? Probably to alter the outcome or to sow discontent.





Except the "proper" investigative channels were compromised toward supporting the democrat party, and they mostly still are, especially in the field.


Field agents are far less biased than the higher political positions.

And no I don't believe that. I think there is a whole lot of political spin on both sides over this and its hiding the fact both parties vote for more surveillance laws (more probable cause) to trap Americans in a bulk data net. Then they pull from the bulk data and fabricate a web of possible crimes to justify more invasive surveillance.

Field agents are far more likely to be non political and most I have met lean conservative.


No, I know quite a few "field" agents, and the bias was towards Obama and Hillary even more so because of the extreme bias of the top brass encouraging them that there would be no repercussions for that bias. Still LOTS of bias inside the DOJ, CIA, NSA, and FBI, and even with William Barr at the DOJ there is still immeasurable bias happening, and it is influencing all kinds of legal havoc. The CIA/NSA is still leading the huge disinformation campaign within the MSM today.


William barr is the man who created the architecture for the surveillance laws.

You folks are totally blind to the reality.


Not blind to anything. Barr has a new job now. Ripping down dirty democrats.


While helping dirty Republicans.

I don't really play political games so I don't have a favorite team.

What I care about are actually the laws that allow this legal spying.

Mark my words the probabale cause is so loose they will get a negligent charge at worst and it will have to be civil lawsuits to gain anything.



posted on May, 26 2019 @ 12:20 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: LDragonFire

Saying it doesn't make it true. Russia is meaningless. The real enemy is within, and it's the partisan mainstream media that foments division daily.


You think the partisanship in media is one sided? Here is another Youtube video from CNN that is good, I promise your computer will not burst into flames by clicking on it.




posted on May, 26 2019 @ 12:41 PM
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a reply to: LDragonFire

No, but fake news CNN that wants to divide America will get a click, and I won't do that.







 
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