a reply to: johnb
There will always be UTTER AND TOTAL deniers that deny climate change is real and will even when faced with proven fact's.
There will always also be war profiteers whom make there money from the suffering of others' and that ilk of individual will be gambling on both
sides of this debate as it is very profitable to do so.
Climate change is real.
Human activity has accelerated climate change - BUT may very well have offset an early return to an ice age or little ice age at least once (a
Proof of regional cooling has been found that correlates precisely to the mongol expansion and destruction and depopulation of entire kingdom's that
vanished from history under there sword - when the human's were removed the climate in much of that area cooled - perhaps as a result of human
activity having ceased.
We ARE in a natural period of warming, what is called an Inter-glacial period which is a warm period between major ice ages and we are technically
still in the ice ages approaching the middle of such an inter-glacial period so while human's have definitely played a part in global warming they are
NOT it's cause and have merely accelerated a natural process of climate fluctuation which has gone on for millions of years and is likely to continue
for millions of years.
The sun is getting warmer as it get's older and some estimates state that natural warming caused by an increase in solar radiation may turn earth
into a second Venus were life as we know it will no longer be able to survive in anywhere between 500 million to 2 billion years meaning that the
earth is not only in what we call a Goldilocks zone around our star but also in a Goldilocks period in time after which time life here will be
unsustainable through natural process.
Fact there are other far more pressing problems with human culture - it is not population but our current economic model, we 'CAN' ethically sustain
a far larger population with far less ecological impact but are not doing so, we can ethically produce far more energy through natural sources but are
not doing so because our economic model is based on a barter system more suitable for a hunter gatherer society than a truly sentient species.
Farming can be sustained using high intensity natural farming techniques instead of using slash and burn farming or chemical derivative (were do most
of those chemical's come from?) artificial pesticide and fertilizer techniques which leave the soil sterile and dead and destroy the ecological
balance which is necessary to sustainable natural farming techniques and even enhanced (using ethical science) natural techniques (look at the harm
they are doing to pollinators for example), energy harvested from wave action, wind and solar rather than hydrocarbon and fission are all ethically
and morally what we should be implementing today and in fact should have been for over half a century now.
Fact even if we do mend our way's - and human population is not the problem our economic model is as are run away corporate politics - global warming
will continue into the foreseeable future mostly through wholly natural causes.
50 thousand years ago during the LAST inter-glacial period - Britain was pretty much were it is today, just a few inches or feet in all of that time
due to continental drift - unless someone can PROVE a controversial axial shift theory which I doubt - and here the climate was pretty much the same
as the Savannah of Africa, Hippo, Elephant, Lion, Hyena Zebra and Giraffe as well as many now extinct mega fauna lived alongside one another spending
there lives on a Savannah type landscape and climate as they did in much of southern Europe, the Ice age came, there climate vanished and there
landscape was buried under two miles of ice, the climate was too cold for them and the land were anything may have lived was exposed from the sea due
to so much water then being locked up in those huge glaciers that the sea level was itself hundreds, not ten's but hundreds over two hundred in fact
feet lower than it is today so if people were around they either hunted or perhaps? farmed and lived in coastal city's on the shores of that lowland
which is now sea bed only for there period to come to a cataclysmic end and the land's they thought of as Terra Firma to be lost beneath the waves in
a very real Atlantis type event that raised sea level's the world over almost instantly especially when great ice damn's gave way and trapped melt
water rushed into the ocean's, many island's vanished perhaps even populated ones the world over and over in the pacific there are story's of islands'
with tunnel's that stretch beneath the ocean, road's that pass from one island to another meaning that if those structures are not that old then sea
level has therefore most likely again risen catastrophically between the end of the ice ages and today or land has subsided catastrophically in those
Though anecdotal and of unproven provenance have a read of these tale's and pay most attention to Number 3, Number 9 and Number 18.
Could we stop sea level rise - NO!, could we slow it - perhaps but we could limit it's impact and ensure our civilization is able to survive such a
catastrophe if we really wanted to.
But whom is to say that these ancients that modern archaeology does not even accept existed did not try before us to do just that - but try and try
again, if at first fail try until you succeed.
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