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Judge orders Trump accounting firm to hand over records to Congress

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posted on May, 21 2019 @ 05:20 AM
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The Constitution of the United States is what has always made us Great, so sad to see so many put one man above this. Many have attempted to destroy the Constitution and have failed, not surprising to see the party that supports traitor's of the Constitution and the USA like defeated civil war generals have problems witnessing the check and balance work like it was designed.





posted on May, 21 2019 @ 05:31 AM
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Wow you guys just never get tired of flinging poop at each other hey?



posted on May, 21 2019 @ 05:46 AM
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a reply to: BlackIbanez

Aw come on, man! They don't got nothing but poop to fling! Everyone has to have something to do...

TheRedneck



posted on May, 21 2019 @ 06:00 AM
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who do you pledge allegiance too?



posted on May, 21 2019 @ 06:08 AM
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a reply to: looneylupinsrevenge

Isn't he accused of bank fraud by inflating the value of his assets in order to obtain loans secured against them? And how does one provide proof one way or the other without conducting an investigation to obtain evidence that will prove or disprove those allegations?



posted on May, 21 2019 @ 06:27 AM
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originally posted by: RexKramerPRT
a reply to: looneylupinsrevenge

Isn't he accused of bank fraud by inflating the value of his assets in order to obtain loans secured against them? And how does one provide proof one way or the other without conducting an investigation to obtain evidence that will prove or disprove those allegations?


If there is suspected bank fraud would it not be the banks filing a criminal investigation suit against Trump? That is normally what would occur. Our representatives in Congress do not normally get involved unless a president's past suspected crime effects the nation and their constituents.



posted on May, 21 2019 @ 06:28 AM
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a reply to: RexKramerPRT


Isn't he accused of bank fraud by inflating the value of his assets in order to obtain loans secured against them?

Whoa, you mean that's a crime now? Damn, we're going to need bigger prisons! Everyone who has ever sold a house or took out a mortgage is now a criminal for fraudulently inflating property values.

Real estate does not have a set value; the value is whatever a buyer is willing to pay. The bank can have one opinion on the value and the owner can have quite a different opinion. Neither is right and neither is wrong until someone actually pays a set amount for the property; the next day the value could still be different if a different potential buyer shows up. Even property appraisers are just people who have a track record of good opinions... but they're still opinions.

It ain't like WalMart.

TheRedneck



posted on May, 21 2019 @ 06:36 AM
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a reply to: CynConcepts

But... but... but... Trump's actions are affecting the nation! The DNC is the government, remember? His actions are destabilizing the DNC. His DoJ is investigating them and could uncover crimes they did, and that might get voters to vote them out! We can't have that... informed voters could screw up everything they've built for the last several decades.

The poor Democrats are just trying to protect themselves... I mean, protect the country. They are the country, right?

TheRedneck



posted on May, 21 2019 @ 06:44 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Lying on financial applications is fraud. No two ways about it. I don't know how it works there but if I put my house up for sale it isn't me who sets the valuation but an estate agent. And I'm pretty sure I wouldn't get away with adding an imaginary extra floor or ten.




Exaggerating assets in bank documents in order to obtain a loan is a felony crime, and indeed, Trump’s former personal lawyer and “fixer” Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to exactly that offense last year. In May, Cohen will begin serving a three-year prison sentence for convictions on that and other offenses


Donald Trump Falsely Added 10 Floors To Trump Tower In Financial Documents, Claimed 68 Stories, But It’s 58



posted on May, 21 2019 @ 06:51 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

So your admitting Trump is above the law?



posted on May, 21 2019 @ 06:55 AM
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a reply to: CynConcepts

I thought the allegation was made before Congress by Cohen. Does that not give them authority to investigate?



posted on May, 21 2019 @ 07:08 AM
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originally posted by: RexKramerPRT
a reply to: TheRedneck

Lying on financial applications is fraud. No two ways about it. I don't know how it works there but if I put my house up for sale it isn't me who sets the valuation but an estate agent. And I'm pretty sure I wouldn't get away with adding an imaginary extra floor or ten.




Exaggerating assets in bank documents in order to obtain a loan is a felony crime, and indeed, Trump’s former personal lawyer and “fixer” Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to exactly that offense last year. In May, Cohen will begin serving a three-year prison sentence for convictions on that and other offenses


Donald Trump Falsely Added 10 Floors To Trump Tower In Financial Documents, Claimed 68 Stories, But It’s 58


In the construction business a story is usually measured 8-12 feet high. If the tower is 664 foot high and divided by story foot heights...Trump would be correct in stating 68 story building. this is simply mathematics and legal in valuation of property.

Example: if you have a home with 20 foot high ceiling...it can be valued as a 2 story home simply due to the fact that the home can add another actual floor level within that building space.

Edit add: If Congress is unable to understand this simple math, I highly question their ability to understand anyone's accounting records.
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Edit add: also FYI: the top floor of Trump tower NYC is actually numbered 68! So when he states he lives on floor 68, he is not lying either.
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posted on May, 21 2019 @ 07:21 AM
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a reply to: LDragonFire

So you're some sort of patriot now? Oh puh-Leez!

Lets be real, you and your ilk could care less about the constitution. This is, has been, and always will be about Orange Man Bad -- nothing more, nothing less.

You guys must think we're idiots, or something. The only thing you people are fooling at this point are yourselves.

But by all means, please do continue because it's great entertainment even if it's pathetically sad.


edit on 21-5-2019 by knowledgehunter0986 because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 21 2019 @ 07:28 AM
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a reply to: RexKramerPRT


Lying on financial applications is fraud. No two ways about it.

Yes, you are correct. I'm just getting a bit fuzzy on the whole concept of "lying." You see, if someone told me a car I was buying was driven by a "little old lady" to church on Sundays, and I found out later she also used it to buy groceries every week, was that a lie? I never considered it as such before, because the intent was to claim the car was not used much and was not abused... and that part was true. but apparently it would be a lie today even if she once drove it to get groceries in the years she owned it.

Now, if I later found out the car was owned by a hot-rodder who used it to drag race every Saturday night and put 30k miles a year on it, with the odometer jammed to not reflect that... sure, that's a lie. I was tricked into buying something that was not as advertised. Whoever sold it to me took my money on false pretenses.

Regardless, why would I expect the FBI to show up at my doorstep after I bought it and inform me that the seller is under investigation for fraud because he sold me the car? I wouldn't expect anyone to investigate that transaction unless I complained to the authorities.

So here's the six-zillion-dollar question: why is it that when it's Trump, every opinion he has, ever mark of a pen he makes, every sound that emanates from him (regardless of orifice used) is thoroughly and completely scrutinized, examined, interpreted, analyzed, and investigated? if Trump defrauded a bank, it is the responsibility of the bank to press charges and prove their case, not the responsibility of the government to investigate just in case.

That should scare every American out there to the point of flashbacks. That means if you go into a bank and ask for a mortgage, and someone asks what your property is worth, you could commit a felony without even realizing it. You could say "I think it's worth about $100,000" and be imprisoned if a bank contractor later says "No, it's worth $85,000. You lied. Fraud is a felony. Come with us." Worse, it might actually be worth $100,000... who is to say if that bank contractor is purposely deflating values to protect his client? It's not like he would admit such on paper anywhere...

Not that that affects me. I owe no one, not a mortgage, nothing... OK, medical bills, but no bank. And I would have serious reservations at this point about even having a casual conversation with someone employed by a bank... apparently anything I say could be used against me in criminal court if I do. Sounds ridiculous, but if someone can do it to the President, they can do it to me... and you. Even if it is a load of horse potatoes.

That's why none of this is gaining traction with the public. So far we have heard that the Russians got Trump elected... nope, no evidence they affected a single vote. Trump is into "golden showers"... nope, dossier was a fabrication. Trump colluded with the Russians to get elected... nope, no evidence despite a two-year thorough investigation. Trump obstructed justice... same report refused to convict him. Trump signed an illegal NDA with a porn star... nope, nothing illegal about it. Trump violated campaign finance laws... nope, his lawyer might have, but even that is still questionable. Someday, someone is going to claim that Trump conspired to blow up a nunnery to keep it quiet that he impregnated every nun in the place. I won't believe that either.

So yeah, keep the comedy coming. You'll wind up indicting every American in the country before you get to Trump at this point. "WOLF!" "WOOOOOOOOLF!!!!"



TheRedneck



posted on May, 21 2019 @ 07:30 AM
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a reply to: LDragonFire



Hoss, I'm not admitting anything... I'm just sitting here on the sidelines heckling you. Even funnier is, you don't realize it!

Funny people are funny.

TheRedneck



posted on May, 21 2019 @ 07:35 AM
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originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: LDragonFire

So you're some sort of patriot now? Oh puh-Leez!

The Constitution made us Great, you don't agree?


Lets be real, you guys could care less about the constitution. This is clearly about Orange Man Bad -- nothing more, nothing less.

I have never put a person or party over the Constitution


You guys must think we're idiots, or something. The only thing you people are fooling at this point are yourselves.
Say that while looking in a mirror.


But by all means, please do continue because it's great entertainment even if it's pathetically sad.
I was thinking the same thing.



posted on May, 21 2019 @ 07:36 AM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: LDragonFire



Hoss, I'm not admitting anything... I'm just sitting here on the sidelines heckling you. Even funnier is, you don't realize it!

Funny people are funny.

TheRedneck


Your not sitting on the sidelines, Hoss.



posted on May, 21 2019 @ 07:48 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

I laugh at your patronizing attitude.



posted on May, 21 2019 @ 07:49 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr

They certainly are allowed to investigate to see if he should be impeached.
That is guaranteed by the constitution.



posted on May, 21 2019 @ 07:54 AM
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Some of you hiding behind skirt of constitution is laughable re post histories.

The constitution has checks on executive powers for sure but it also has strict limits on unbridled fishing expeditions.



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