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The Real Monster in “Game of Thrones” Is Its Hidden Reactionary Ideology

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posted on May, 17 2019 @ 05:28 PM
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I doubt there is any work of art, piece of writing, or other pubic demonstration that cannot be turned into a political polemic that claims it's about the tyranny of white men and the subjagation of everyone else on the planet. It says more about the author than anything about the piece in question. I once wrote an essay that proved beyond a shadow of a doubt the pervasive influence of Communism in Africa because of the number of references to the color "red" in Conrad's "Heart of Darkness." Of course this was irrefutable. People who tend to have a world view like that will see it as confirmation that they are right. But really, it's a parlor trick. Not impressed.




posted on May, 17 2019 @ 05:58 PM
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a reply to: FyreByrd

Thoughtful, why? Bias? White people bad? Support wealth redistribution through climate scam? Close enough?

Puhleasee! Does every thread have to have some underlying tendency towards white power, white supremacy, blacks being put down, brown peiple as poor people, white trash fighting over scraps, etc?

You know why there's racism? Because idiots keep pushing these kinds of stupid comparisons and narratives. Everybody is equal now, except white folks, they're less than equal apparently. Let's give it a rest eh.

Cheers - Dave



posted on May, 17 2019 @ 05:59 PM
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Oh for heaven's sake.

This article is proof that life is pretty good in the western hemisphere, that they have to make comparisons to a fictional story.

Shame. *rings bell*



posted on May, 17 2019 @ 06:06 PM
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originally posted by: sooth
The only parallel between Game of Thrones and modern political ideology is that they both take place in a fantasy world.

In GOT, aside from dragons not being real, it represent how people in power handle it when given absolute power to rule.

The sweet child morphs into someone willing to do whatever it takes to win at all costs, so far in the story anyway. Her noble goals of removing Tyranny in the world are lost when she becomes the Tyrant.

It appears as it is also in real life, that the only ones worthy of Ruling the people would never want the job if they had a clear conscience.



posted on May, 17 2019 @ 06:07 PM
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edit on 17-5-2019 by Sabrechucker because: bad joke



posted on May, 17 2019 @ 06:23 PM
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a reply to: Justoneman

There are also no absolutely good characters in the whole thing. Ned Stark comes closest and we see where that got him.



posted on May, 17 2019 @ 06:25 PM
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originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: nightbringr

'Unconscious theme'? Puhlease.

So now we are to believe Martin unconsciously wrote this all with climate change and white supremacy in mind? (Unconsciously?)

What hyperbole. Why do people obsessed with social justice and climate issues obsess so much that they see imaginary are parallels in everything, even if there clearly are none?

Moving on.........


Because a huge percentage of what we do and say is unconsious...


Finally, the unconscious mind comprises mental processes that are inaccessible to consciousness but that influence judgements, feelings, or behavior (Wilson, 2002).

According to Freud (1915), the unconscious mind is the primary source of human behavior. Like an iceberg, the most important part of the mind is the part you cannot see.


www.simplypsychology.org...

Also, this article is not arguing about Martin's intent in writing the novels, nor the television's show runners but about the possible audience perceptions (conscious and unconscious) of the story.

With that logic, it would be very easy to imagine the author of your paper unconsciously sees everything as an environmental/ race issue since clearly that is his focus.



posted on May, 17 2019 @ 06:29 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Justoneman

There are also no absolutely good characters in the whole thing. Ned Stark comes closest and we see where that got him.

I disagree. Briane is extremely virtuous, I'd even go so far as to call her genuinely 'good'.



posted on May, 17 2019 @ 06:50 PM
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a reply to: nightbringr

OK, full disclosure.

I do not watch the series as I've never had HBO in my life.

I read the books, and I've not yet read Dance With Dragons as I want all the stories, so I'm waiting for the companion book to be completed which seems like it will never happen. So my last recollection of Brienne is that she's being hung and dying for her virtue.



posted on May, 17 2019 @ 06:57 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: nightbringr

OK, full disclosure.

I do not watch the series as I've never had HBO in my life.

I read the books, and I've not yet read Dance With Dragons as I want all the stories, so I'm waiting for the companion book to be completed which seems like it will never happen. So my last recollection of Brienne is that she's being hung and dying for her virtue.

I've both read the books as well as the shows, and I can't think of one reason briane is not a truly good person.

The closest I can come is her clear frustration in the show during her sparring match with Arya. Looked a lot like wounded pride.



posted on May, 17 2019 @ 07:19 PM
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a reply to: nightbringr

We'll see if she makes it through. Currently in my world, she's dying for being good, like Ned did.



posted on May, 17 2019 @ 07:45 PM
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originally posted by: FyreByrd
I've just read a very thoughtful analysis of the overarching theme of Game of Thrones.

I quit reading the books sometime during the third book .


Me too. I got sick of reading about the petty squabbles of sociopathic aristocrats. It always irked me they made such a #ty series into a tv show when there's so many better series they could have chosen.
edit on 17/5/2019 by dug88 because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 17 2019 @ 07:54 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Justoneman

There are also no absolutely good characters in the whole thing. Ned Stark comes closest and we see where that got him.


Well maybe John Snow is worthy and he sure doesn't want it as a selfish reason if he did get the throne and since this is off the rails already it wouldn't matter what they did unless Dany steps down or worse and the evil Lannisters stay dead. But i digress.



posted on May, 17 2019 @ 10:27 PM
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a reply to: FyreByrd

Most of it is based of the war of roses, the author confirmed it.

I like this writer, I love it when people who try to seem smart sound stupid. I'm guessing this writers' next piece will be about Star wars being about post colonial industrialism or some crap like that.

These pseudo intellects always try to find an allegory for everything. These geniuses could turn Mario kart into an allegory of the post Lenin Russia.

Some people need to learn to see things at face value. I don't don't consider the philosophical implications when I buy a meatball Sub, I buy it, I eat it, end of f'in story.



posted on May, 18 2019 @ 09:14 AM
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the big clue of the series is very simple'

2 mothers who do really everything for there childs ...



posted on May, 18 2019 @ 10:08 AM
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originally posted by: Mike Stivic
The author of that article is disingenuous in my humble opinion.


Nope, totally accurate.

Jon Snow (notice the name is synonomous with WHITE) goes to Castle Black (coincidence?) to set things straight with the 'Black Brothers' who have lost their moral compass and are killing the Free Folk (who are all white) that are fleeing from the Long Night and a terrible winter of eternity (global warming).

Don't even get me started on that honky blonde ho Daenerys.



posted on May, 18 2019 @ 02:48 PM
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originally posted by: nightbringr

originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: nightbringr

'Unconscious theme'? Puhlease.

So now we are to believe Martin unconsciously wrote this all with climate change and white supremacy in mind? (Unconsciously?)

What hyperbole. Why do people obsessed with social justice and climate issues obsess so much that they see imaginary are parallels in everything, even if there clearly are none?

Moving on.........


Because a huge percentage of what we do and say is unconsious...


Finally, the unconscious mind comprises mental processes that are inaccessible to consciousness but that influence judgements, feelings, or behavior (Wilson, 2002).

According to Freud (1915), the unconscious mind is the primary source of human behavior. Like an iceberg, the most important part of the mind is the part you cannot see.


www.simplypsychology.org...

Also, this article is not arguing about Martin's intent in writing the novels, nor the television's show runners but about the possible audience perceptions (conscious and unconscious) of the story.

With that logic, it would be very easy to imagine the author of your paper unconsciously sees everything as an environmental/ race issue since clearly that is his focus.


I concur.



posted on May, 18 2019 @ 02:57 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: nightbringr

We'll see if she makes it through. Currently in my world, she's dying for being good, like Ned did.


But was 'Ned' good? He ignored the 'whistleblower' from the Watch that had come to warn of the white walkers and took off his head instead. I, personally, don't consider that type of adherence to the 'letter of the law' (rather than the 'spirit of the law') to be an admiral character trait.

Brienne was much more flexible in her 'duty' but still adversely affected by a rigid code of honor.



posted on May, 18 2019 @ 04:23 PM
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btw is the house bolton an reference to an certain minister in the usa ?



posted on May, 19 2019 @ 01:44 PM
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a reply to: FyreByrd
Well Brienne was flexible with her duty, but rigid code of honour? Well rigid something with Jaime Lannister before he ran away to be with his sister.
If you look deep enough into any film you can align them with anything.
"The Wizard of OZ", that film screams deep state control. Man pulling strings behind a curtain.
I think Martin was enamoured with them making a series of films about his first few books, but when the series became a hit he struggled to come up with any hard hitting story lines that the first books had and to be truthful with you I think they just used his name on the last two series.




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