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Australia About to elect a left wing government

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posted on May, 16 2019 @ 10:50 AM
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originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: sunkuong
a reply to: rickymouse

And so they should. What makes you think so? My personal liberties dont seem particularly eroded or infringed upon


Oh, so you are a kangaroo?


No, you're just wrong.


Not surprising, really, given you are not Australian and clearly have very little knowledge about our politics.
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Do they have kangaroo courts there? lol:

I know a few people from Australia, they like living there, but the cost of living there is very high, so overall, they seem to be making more money but it does not go far, they are in about the same financial situation most Americans are in.

Your politics is different. I see there is strong social conditioning going on there just as there is in most countries around the world. We are all mushrooms, we believe that we are better mushrooms because of where we live, but still, we are fed high amounts of Bull Sh**. We just think we are better off than others.

America is full of deception, but so are most countries. Most people can't even comprehend the truth anymore, we have been conditioned for thousands of years.




posted on May, 16 2019 @ 01:44 PM
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originally posted by: continuousThunder

also @ dude who says Morrison is popular and everyone's voting for Palmer; ...uhh.. what part of the country are you in? genuine concern here.


Palmer seems to be popular in North Queensland. I went to Port Douglas a few weeks ago and those stupid yellow 'Make Australia Great' signs were absolutely everywhere!

Awesome weather up there... just way to many Trump wannabe rednecks.

Anyway, I'll be voting for the Greens... Yes, I know they sold out their values to labour years ago. But their still the least worst of the parties, imo.

btw, if anyone still isn't sure who they want to vote for then go to the Vote Campass page on the ABC site and answer a few questions about where you stand and it'll tell you which party most aligns to your values.

It seems fairly accurate, as far as I can tell... My results were, 80% for the Greens, 72% Labour, 42% Liberal and 31% One Nation.



posted on May, 16 2019 @ 01:52 PM
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a reply to: Agit8dChop

Dear ATS Readers, Writers,

Interesting reply there Agit8dChop; I think you are correct.

Labor might win, but the margin will be far lower than predicted.

Both major parties are saying some things that would be good for Oz, but at the same they both are saying things they would do; that would be awful for Oz...

I already voted in Oz, (have to work polling day).. the place was packed with people.

It was my first voting, since becoming a citizen of Oz..

I have noticed since living here that they do tend to knife each other on a regular in politics. Sometimes it gets messy.

I do know that a lot of folks are upset that they keep winding up with a Prime Minister they didn't vote for; due to these "spills" they have sometimes.

I tend to like the compulsory voting...even if it does make things hectic for a while.

No system is perfect for sure...but I got to admit that Oz is a wonderful place to live. The levels of corruption here are much lower than the USA, in my opinion. And when it does pop into the news, Ozzians tend to not "put up" with it.. the "offender" gets sacked or shamed into resigning, or gets voted out.

The above gives me hope for Oz..

And thankfully, Oz isn't in constant war mode since 9-11.

The "nanny state" stuff kinda drives me batty sometimes; but all in all.... an amazing place to live; absolutely in love with my new home country..

For the record, I will be glad when the election settles down, is said and done, and we find out what flavour of leadership we will need to endure for a while...

My numbers from 1 to 5 on the ballot were for none of the major parties...and I voted "above the line".

It will probably wind up being counted for the Liberals though, eventually.

Oz voters will know what that means.

Pravdaseeker



posted on May, 17 2019 @ 05:50 PM
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Alright, I just rocked down there and cast my vote... But not because I actually believe that my vote matters or changes anything, mind you. But more because I'm sick to death of copping $80 fines for not voting!

Wasn't to bad though, just a 300 metre walk and I even hooked up a snag.

I'll try to catch some sleep and hopefully when I wake up Antony Green's got some good news for me... which would be that those conservative pricks copped a massive hiding!

Fingers crossed...



posted on May, 17 2019 @ 06:31 PM
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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
Alright, I just rocked down there and cast my vote... But not because I actually believe that my vote matters or changes anything, mind you. But more because I'm sick to death of copping $80 fines for not voting!

Wasn't to bad though, just a 300 metre walk and I even hooked up a snag.

I'll try to catch some sleep and hopefully when I wake up Antony Green's got some good news for me... which would be that those conservative pricks copped a massive hiding!

Fingers crossed...


I'm going to head down soon myself. I'm in a very safe labor seat but I'll vote 1st preference to the Green's. They won't get in but it goes on the statistics ;-)

Voting green because I'm a left wing tree-hugging hippy who loves nature lol. I'm enough of a hippy to know exactly which species of fungi your username refers to ;-)



posted on May, 17 2019 @ 08:32 PM
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I've voted. Voted at the local primary school that I went to as a kid. Never ceases to amaze me how small the gym looks inside now that I'm in my 30's ;-)

The betting odds on Sportsbet have blown out this morning. 1.10 Labor to 7.00 LNP Coalition

www.sportsbet.com.au...

Let's just say that if the Coalition win, then everyone from the pollsters to the bookies has completely misread the situation on so many levels, and the bookies will be losing a lot of money.. We will know by tonight :-)



posted on May, 18 2019 @ 01:22 AM
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I went Labor 1, Greens 2 for the House and Greens 1, Hemp 2, Labor 3 for Senate. (The rest of the vote went to ordering from least hated to most lol)

I want Labor to win - but I also want either Greens or another party to keep pushing the need to end the War on Drugs.

I also bought a bottle of champers ready to pop when either Abbott or Dutton (or both) get shown the door!


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posted on May, 18 2019 @ 01:24 AM
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a reply to: harold223

Does left wing in Australia mean the same as it does in the USA?



posted on May, 18 2019 @ 01:44 AM
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originally posted by: EternalSolace
a reply to: harold223

Does left wing in Australia mean the same as it does in the USA?


Not really. Generally speaking, Australian left is more left than your left. In some ways, your democrats are more right wing than our conservatives economically speaking. The policies being put forward by left wing parties in Australia, particularly the Greens, would scare you guys. Some Greens policies: free public education and university, free public transport, subsidised public housing for low income earners, subsidised dental care, all paid for by taxes on multinational mining companies. It would be seen as outright communism in the USA I'd imagine. The Greens have no chance of getting in government though, they just get people in the senate.

Our centre left Labor party (the favourite to win tonight) is basically looking to reform the tax system in favour of people on low incomes (tax increases for the rich, tax cuts for the poor), reform workplace laws to reintroduce weekend penalty rates and to increase the minimum wage (currently $18.93 an hour).

Its complicated though, in some ways we are more socially conservative, particularly around things like drugs and smoking (nanny state). We are less conservative by a long shot on religion (Australia is not a very religious country, our Christian Right is not very influnetial). Even conservatives in Australia are ok with gun control.

Different country, different society and values, different issues basically.

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posted on May, 18 2019 @ 01:47 AM
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originally posted by: Kryties
I went Labor 1, Greens 2 for the House and Greens 1, Hemp 2, Labor 3 for Senate. (The rest of the vote went to ordering from least hated to most lol)

I want Labor to win - but I also want either Greens or another party to keep pushing the need to end the War on Drugs.

I also bought a bottle of champers ready to pop when either Abbott or Dutton (or both) get shown the door!



I hope so too. That reminds me, gotta get the beer in the fridge. I'm not celebrating yet, everything is pointing to a win for Labor but things are crazy these days so I still hold doubts. I won't be celebrating until its over. Fingers crossed.



posted on May, 18 2019 @ 02:42 AM
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Honestly it seems to me labour has better ads, at least they're talking about what they're going to do and not just crapping on their opponents all the time. It seems labour will win and that makes me fairly worried for our future, the labor party is way too much of a pro nanny state party. I mean even the liberals are a bit of a pro nanny state party when you actually get down to it and look at some of the reactionary policies they have enacted over the last several years. If Shorten gets in I think we'll see our liberties eroded even faster.

What concerns me more though is the fact that their far-left economics is highly flawed and will only drive us into a deeper hole of despair. They believe everything is solved simply by throwing money at the problem and by taking more and more money from the wealthiest individuals and businesses to fund it, driving them out of our nation. That is also one of the reasons we've had so many energy issues over the last few years, because simply forcing power companies to charge less doesn't solve the underlying problem which is a lack of robust and reliable energy generation.

The exact same thing applies to other economic issues, these band-aid solution will always fail after a period of time because they aren't truly addressing the core issue. Just look how the U.S. economy is thriving under Trump's policies and how weak our dollar has become in comparison, that should be a clear sign to us that being anti-private-corporations and pro-socialist-policies aren't good economic pillars for wealth generation and innovation. History has demonstrated this time and time again but it seems we'll never learn.
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posted on May, 18 2019 @ 03:06 AM
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originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
Honestly it seems to me labour has better ads, at least they're talking about what they're going to do and not just crapping on their opponents all the time. It seems labour will win and that makes me fairly worried for our future, the labor party is way too much of a pro nanny state party. I mean even the liberals are a bit of a pro nanny state party when you actually get down to it and look at some of the reactionary policies they have enacted over the last several years. If Shorten gets in I think we'll see our liberties eroded even faster.

What concerns me more though is the fact that their far-left economics is highly flawed and will only drive us into a deeper hole of despair. They believe everything is solved simply by throwing money at the problem and by taking more and more money from the wealthiest individuals and businesses to fund it, driving them out of our nation. That is also one of the reasons we've had so many energy issues over the last few years, because simply forcing power companies to charge less doesn't solve the underlying problem which is a lack of robust and reliable energy generation.

The exact same thing applies to other economic issues, these band-aid solution will always fail after a period of time because they aren't truly addressing the core issue. Just look how the U.S. economy is thriving under Trump's policies and how weak our dollar has become in comparison, that should be a clear sign to us that being anti-private-corporations and pro-socialist-policies aren't good economic pillars for wealth generation and innovation. History has demonstrated this time and time again but it seems we'll never learn.


The conservatives in Australia can be worse as far as nanny state goes. They always run on "tough on crime", although that really is more in state politics. The Greens have a policy to make drug use a health issue and legalise cannabis, so the left isn't all nanny state.



posted on May, 18 2019 @ 03:40 AM
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originally posted by: harold223
The conservatives in Australia can be worse as far as nanny state goes. They always run on "tough on crime", although that really is more in state politics. The Greens have a policy to make drug use a health issue and legalise cannabis, so the left isn't all nanny state.

This seems like a fairly surface level analysis. If that were really true, why has the U.S., despite being far more conservative than Australia, decided to legalize marijuana for medicinal and recreational use in many states, whereas we have barely even legalized it for medicinal use on anything less serious than cancer. Sure I believe the Green party would legalize mj, but I would argue labour and many people on the left hold the same type of hard anti-drug attitude in Australia. They are far too controlling in nature and far too worried about the health implications to see it as something they would want legalized. It's precisely that nanny state attitude which would prevent them from legalizing it... surely you must think of the impacts on children.

Also the idea that conservatives are always more tough on crime isn't necessarily true, I would say it's more that they have more respect for authority in general and like to see laws enforced properly, but I also agree the religious attitude can create a more authoritarian approach to policing. That's one of the main reasons I fall more into the center and see myself as a libertarian, I respect individual rights and don't think the government should decide what we put into our bodies, but I also see the need for government and institutions such as the police. It's really a decision about how much power we want the government to have over our lives, but labour wants far too much power, and it seems Australians are quite willing to hand it over.
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posted on May, 18 2019 @ 04:01 AM
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originally posted by: ChaoticOrder

originally posted by: harold223
The conservatives in Australia can be worse as far as nanny state goes. They always run on "tough on crime", although that really is more in state politics. The Greens have a policy to make drug use a health issue and legalise cannabis, so the left isn't all nanny state.

This seems like a fairly surface level analysis. If that were really true, why has the U.S., despite being far more conservative than Australia, decided to legalize marijuana for medicinal and recreational use in many states, whereas we have barely even legalized it for medicinal use on anything less serious than cancer. Sure I believe the Green party would legalize mj, but I would argue labour and many people on the left hold the same type of hard anti-drug attitude in Australia. They are far too controlling in nature and far too worried about the health implications to see it as something they would want legalized. It's precisely that nanny state attitude which would prevent them from legalizing it... surely you must think of the impacts on children.

Also the idea that conservatives are always more tough on crime isn't necessarily true, I would say it's more that they have more respect for authority in general and like to see laws enforced properly, but I also agree the religious attitude can create a more authoritarian approach to policing. That's one of the main reasons I fall more into the center and see myself as a libertarian, I respect individual rights and don't think the government should decide what we put into our bodies, but I also see the need for government and institutions such as the police. It's really a decision about how much power we want the government to have over our lives, but labour wants far too much power, and it seems Australians are quite willing to hand it over.


You're right, it was surface level lol. This stuff is too complex for anything other than surface. I'm complex too, I am a libertarian on social issues but believe that corporations and big business needs to pay more tax to reduce inequality. Australia has so much wealth in resources and so much of it is held offshore in foreign shareholder wealth. We should tax those multinational corporations to the hilt, then the government will have huge funds to help the poor and pay for social safety nets, and infrastructure. They'll squeal, but they need our resources, they'll pay begrudgingly.

People think social safety nets and infrastructure is a black hole but it's not. Infrastructure projects create jobs and welfare gets spent in the community and props up local businesses in low social-economic areas. Even those that spend it on drugs and alcohol, the money doesn't disappear, it goes indirectly back into businesses.



posted on May, 18 2019 @ 04:33 AM
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Like I said that approach doesn't solve the underlying problem and will only harm our economy in the long run. What solves the underlying problem is to promote business growth and innovation, reduce some of our ridiculously high taxes which impact the cost of living for everyone, invest in real energy solutions which produce low cost electricity, incentivize international corporations to move here. In other words promote some real economic activity that isn't just being subsidized by the government. That is the core reason development is so slow in Australia and why our economy is stagnating. I have international friends who always say that when they visit Australia, and I guess it's also because we don't like to move very quickly, but I can see the point they're making and it's totally valid. Many Australians seem to have this attitude that the government can just do everything for them and it'll all work out, they completely overlook the fundamental importance of private business and free market economics, and how it underpins the overall health of a given economy.



posted on May, 18 2019 @ 05:00 AM
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originally posted by: Kryties
I also bought a bottle of champers ready to pop when either Abbott or Dutton (or both) get shown the door!


Better pop that cork soon because Mr Rabbit has almost certainly wiped out on his attempt to win a 10th consecutive election


What I see is a lot of voters seem to think they're voting for the party leaders (like the US voting for a president) but the reality here is they only vote for the candidates standing in their electorate. IE people not voting based on the candidate standing (& their own policies) for election in their electorate, just the party that candidate represents which means the best representatives are not necessarily voted in.

They call those 'safe electorates'
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posted on May, 18 2019 @ 05:08 AM
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originally posted by: Pilgrum

originally posted by: Kryties
I also bought a bottle of champers ready to pop when either Abbott or Dutton (or both) get shown the door!


Better pop that cork soon because Mr Rabbit has almost certainly wiped out on his attempt to win a 10th consecutive election


What I see is a lot of voters seem to think they're voting for the party leaders (like the US voting for a president) but the reality here is they only vote for the candidates standing in their electorate. IE people not voting based on the candidate standing (& their own policies) for election in their electorate, just the party that candidate represents which means the best representatives are not necessarily voted in.

They call those 'safe electorates'


Yep, the champers is off ice and being readied to be consumed! Warringah has all but been called for Zali Steggall. BYE BYE TONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What's more worrying is the national results. This is much closer than I would like - but only 27.5% counted yet so hopefully ALP can still win.



posted on May, 18 2019 @ 05:17 AM
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originally posted by: ChaoticOrder

originally posted by: harold223
The conservatives in Australia can be worse as far as nanny state goes. They always run on "tough on crime", although that really is more in state politics. The Greens have a policy to make drug use a health issue and legalise cannabis, so the left isn't all nanny state.

This seems like a fairly surface level analysis. If that were really true, why has the U.S., despite being far more conservative than Australia, decided to legalize marijuana for medicinal and recreational use in many states, whereas we have barely even legalized it for medicinal use on anything less serious than cancer.


The legalization of cannabis in those states has nothing to do with either the democrats or republicans.

They have a system in the US where if enough signatures are gained then an amendment will be put on the ballot and the people can either vote for or against it.

If it was simply left up to the government, then it would of just remained a 'to hot to touch issue' (just like Australia) and cannabis would have never been legalized in those states.



posted on May, 18 2019 @ 05:21 AM
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I told my wife yesterday that if LNP are returned to power I will be up and moving to New Zealand.

I am currently looking up flight prices, just in case.......



posted on May, 18 2019 @ 06:13 AM
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Its looking more and more like NZ is going to be my new home.......



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