William Barr appoints U.S. attorney to investigate Russia probe origins

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: tanstaafl

The DNC colluded with Hillary Clinton to steal the democratic nomination from Bernie.

Another lie... Never happened and not only that but there were no e mails that even sounded remotely like this happened.

I think most folks never read a single e mail.. they just went by what they heard or read others say about them.
So depending on your source those e mails said different things.
but none showed that they colluded with Hillary to steal the nomination from Bernie.
Bernie never had it. He was just too stubborn to lay down.

Hahahaha
You people will still not even admit stealing the nom from bernie!
D E L U S I O N A L

Why anyone would ever give credence to you people I will never know.
Nothing but liars.

a reply to: shooterbrody


Brought to you by the same fine folks whom loved, trusted and raved about "Hottie Avennati"

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: shooterbrody


Brought to you by the same fine folks whom loved, trusted and raved about "Hottie Avennati"

Like they would ever acknowledge that.....
They are like barnacles attaching to whatever the scheme of the week is.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
"The DNC colluded with Hillary Clinton to steal the democratic nomination from Bernie."

Another lie....

Others have already pointed out how wrong you are, so I'll just say...

HAHAHaHaHaHAHAHAHaHAHaHaHaHaHahahahaHaHaHahahahahahahahahaha!

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: tanstaafl

The DNC colluded with Hillary Clinton to steal the democratic nomination from Bernie.

Another lie... Never happened and not only that but there were no e mails that even sounded remotely like this happened.

I think most folks never read a single e mail.. they just went by what they heard or read others say about them.
So depending on your source those e mails said different things.
but none showed that they colluded with Hillary to steal the nomination from Bernie.
Bernie never had it. He was just too stubborn to lay down.

Hahahaha
You people will still not even admit stealing the nom from bernie!
D E L U S I O N A L

Why anyone would ever give credence to you people I will never know.
Nothing but liars.

Remember when Hillary won 6 out of 6 coinflips in Iowa?

a reply to: face23785

Yeah impossible "coincidence" right.....
The arrogance of those people is appalling.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut

I already did, and you just ignore anything that doesn't fit your 'orange man bad' syndrome....

But just for giggles, I'll repeat them and here, and how about this, this, this, and last, try this.

You cannot effectively trace the IP of someone who comes in via an anonymizing VPN network. However, when the DNC's network syslogs showed an IP that was not over an anonymized VPN connection, and coincident with the hacked files being 'touched' (a mistake where the hackers got lazy), the IP address range could be traced back to the city in Russia from which the hack originated. None of your reports bother to mention this fact because it immediately demolishes their suppositions.

The Falcon program used by CrowdStrike is an automated tool that looks for unusual volume traffic on a network and then classifies it into various groups, comparing them like 'digital fingerprints' in a large database of known hacks and breaches (they reportedly process 28 billion 'events' a day). The DNC hack events were identified by Falcon to be similar to that of two separate known Russian groups. One which had previously hacked the White House and State Department (bet you didn't know that!) and the other had previously hacked Germany's Bundestag. None of your articles mention that, either.

Also, very specific Russians were identified as releasing the hacked content, very early on.

All the indicators, end to end, fingered the Russians.

CrowdStrike released their report on DNC hack June 15, 2016. They released their report on the Ukrainian guns hack nearly 7 months later on 22 December 2016. The 'guns' report could not have influenced the DNC hack report unless CrowdStrike were prescient.

These articles confuse the timelines of which thing happened when, and/or they merely pose the question of, 'if CrowdStrike was wrong in one instance, perhaps it was wrong in another'.

Aside from the glaring omissions, none of the articles offer any evidence to support their suppositions.

You could say that... or you could say they are full of crap, and make crap up, then back-pedal if/when they get caught.

The proliferation of stealthing and polymorphic code has meant that 'string' type scanners and even heuristic classifiers are a thing of the 80's and 90's. In the current environment, AI solutions, usually cloud based, are the only viable ones. Although there are cowboys who rely on fear, uncertainty and doubt marketing, most of the larger AV solution companies are actually doing the right thing.

Sorry, I guess the pressure is getting to you, now you're just throwing crap against a wall to see if anything sticks.

But you are the one suggesting that, somehow, Trump relates to this thread.

Nothing to quote/link, because nothing substantial has happened yet. Patience, grasshopper.

The DNC colluded with Hillary Clinton to steal the democratic nomination from Bernie. If I had been a Democrat and/or a Bernie supporter, I'd have been livid.

They colluded, did they? I thought it was all out in the open. The party chose Hillary rather that the better candidate. Sucks for them because I'm pretty sure Trump would not be President if they had fielded better candidates.

Are you suggesting that it shouldn't have discredited both the DNC and Hillary?

No, I'm saying that the slackness of the DNC with things of national security definitely was a negative in voter's minds.

Which could have been from a hack, or from data stolen by an insider who had access.

How did that insider do so from a Russian IP address?

You could say that, sure.

Or, you could say that data was leaked (not hacked) by a person with physical access to DNC computers, and then doctored to incriminate Russia.

Occams Razor and all.

If you ignore the actual evidence, it could have been Trump, in a balaclava, sneaking in with a large USB drive when they were all looking the other way.

Rotflmao! That is like saying "Trump would have been guilty of murder, except that he didn't murder anyone.'

Perhaps the bodies were well hidden or actioned by other parties? You do know that not all murders are solved.

Scot Young From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Michael Connell From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We will never know...

Ummm. No. Two completely different scenarios. Hillary's crimes were actually extremely serious violations of the espionage Act.

Espionage Act of 1917 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

The DNC situation was just extremely embarrassing for the DNC.

"Mueller himself said there was nothing inaccurate in Barrs letter."

It omitted specific important information.

What specific information was omitted. Be specific, and use your own words, not a link to the words of some MSM hack opining about it.

Mueller's report is over 400 detailed pages. Barr's summary was 4 pages. There was stuff left out.

Mueller's March 27 letter to Barr, paragraph 3

It did not accurately summarize the conclusions, which was misleading.

There were only two conclusions.

No collusion.

Nolle prosequi on obstruction, thereby punting that decision to his boss, the AG, aka William Barr.

Barr's March 24 letter to Congress does not include the words 'collusion', 'collude' or 'prosequi'

Still waiting on someone to provide a simple statement of fact as to what Barr said that was misleading. Seeing as Mueller himself said Barrs letter was accurate, I wont hold my breath.

Van Hollen: "Did Bob Mueller support your conclusion?"

Barr: "I don’t know whether Bob Mueller supported my conclusion."

So, now all you have to do is provide a link to a quote where Mueller says he does or does not support Barrs conclusion about obstruction.

Tick-tock.

So, clearly Barr lied & Mueller isn't a media show.

a reply to: chr0naut

It was effectively inserted 😎

originally posted by: chr0naut
You cannot effectively trace the IP of someone who comes in via an anonymizing VPN network.

You can if you have the logs from said anonymizing VPN provider. Most of these providers are honeypots run by certain 3 letter agencies.

However, when the DNC's network syslogs showed an IP that was not over an anonymized VPN connection, and coincident with the hacked files being 'touched' (a mistake where the hackers got lazy), the IP address range could be traced back to the city in Russia from which the hack originated. None of your reports bother to mention this fact because it immediately demolishes their suppositions.

Because this 'evidence' is easily faked, either by Crowdstrike (the only ones with access to the actual server), or one the 3 letter agencies they were working with (CIA? NSA?).

"Sorry, I guess the pressure is getting to you, now you're just throwing crap against a wall to see if anything sticks."

But you are the one suggesting that, somehow, Trump relates to this thread.

No, I'm not and never did, and that was precisely my point.

The DNC colluded with Hillary Clinton to steal the democratic nomination from Bernie. If I had been a Democrat and/or a Bernie supporter, I'd have been livid."

They colluded, did they?

Yep.

I thought it was all out in the open.

It wasn't - until the leaked DNC emails showed up, exposing the ugly truth to the world.

The party chose Hillary rather that the better candidate. Sucks for them because I'm pretty sure Trump would not be President if they had fielded better candidates.

It is actually possible that Bernie could have won...

Whats the old saying? 'God works in mysterious ways'...

How did that insider do so from a Russian IP address?

They didn't. The Russian IP 'evidence' was easily faked, put there to support the illusion.

If you ignore the actual fake evidence, it could have been Trump Seth Rich.

Fixed that for ya...

"What specific information was omitted. Be specific, and use your own words, not a link to the words of some MSM hack opining about it."

Mueller's report is over 400 detailed pages. Barr's summary was 4 pages. There was stuff left out.

So... freakin ... what???

As been said far too many times to count - Barrs letter was simply a statement of the Conclusions, not a summary of the report. If all you have is a complaint that a 4 page 'statement of conclusions' of a 400 page detailed report 'left stuff out', then you're beyond help.

Even a very detailed summary of the report - say, 100 pages - would still, by necessity, 'leave stuff out'.

The question is... what was left out that you believe resulted in his letter being 'misleading' in any way.

" "It did not accurately summarize the conclusions, which was misleading." "

"There were only two conclusions.

No collusion.

Nolle prosequi on obstruction, thereby punting that decision to his boss, the AG, aka William Barr."

Barr's March 24 letter to Congress does not include the words 'collusion', 'collude'

Yes, isn't that interesting - seeing as the entire bogus pretext for the appointment of a SC was to investigate Trump/Russian collusion.

or 'prosequi'

So ... freakin ... what???

I was using a legal term to describe the fact that Mueller failed in his duty to reach a conclusion on obstruction.

Reading comprehension problems, much?

So, clearly Barr lied & Mueller isn't a media show.

Eh? Barr lied about what? He didn't know if Mueller agreed with his conclusions about obstruction. Show me where Barr was made aware of Muellers opinion on his conclusions regarding obstruction, then lied about it.

Seriously... why on earth do you think a seasoned lawyer like Barr would lie about something so inconsequential?

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut
You cannot effectively trace the IP of someone who comes in via an anonymizing VPN network.

You can if you have the logs from said anonymizing VPN provider. Most of these providers are honeypots run by certain 3 letter agencies.

However, when the DNC's network syslogs showed an IP that was not over an anonymized VPN connection, and coincident with the hacked files being 'touched' (a mistake where the hackers got lazy), the IP address range could be traced back to the city in Russia from which the hack originated. None of your reports bother to mention this fact because it immediately demolishes their suppositions.

Because this 'evidence' is easily faked, either by Crowdstrike (the only ones with access to the actual server), or one the 3 letter agencies they were working with (CIA? NSA?).

"Sorry, I guess the pressure is getting to you, now you're just throwing crap against a wall to see if anything sticks."

But you are the one suggesting that, somehow, Trump relates to this thread.

No, I'm not and never did, and that was precisely my point.

The DNC colluded with Hillary Clinton to steal the democratic nomination from Bernie. If I had been a Democrat and/or a Bernie supporter, I'd have been livid."

They colluded, did they?

Yep.

I thought it was all out in the open.

It wasn't - until the leaked DNC emails showed up, exposing the ugly truth to the world.

The party chose Hillary rather that the better candidate. Sucks for them because I'm pretty sure Trump would not be President if they had fielded better candidates.

It is actually possible that Bernie could have won...

Whats the old saying? 'God works in mysterious ways'...

How did that insider do so from a Russian IP address?

They didn't. The Russian IP 'evidence' was easily faked, put there to support the illusion.

If you ignore the actual fake evidence, it could have been Trump Seth Rich.

Fixed that for ya...

"What specific information was omitted. Be specific, and use your own words, not a link to the words of some MSM hack opining about it."

Mueller's report is over 400 detailed pages. Barr's summary was 4 pages. There was stuff left out.

So... freakin ... what???

As been said far too many times to count - Barrs letter was simply a statement of the Conclusions, not a summary of the report. If all you have is a complaint that a 4 page 'statement of conclusions' of a 400 page detailed report 'left stuff out', then you're beyond help.

Even a very detailed summary of the report - say, 100 pages - would still, by necessity, 'leave stuff out'.

The question is... what was left out that you believe resulted in his letter being 'misleading' in any way.

" "It did not accurately summarize the conclusions, which was misleading." "

"There were only two conclusions.

No collusion.

Nolle prosequi on obstruction, thereby punting that decision to his boss, the AG, aka William Barr."

Barr's March 24 letter to Congress does not include the words 'collusion', 'collude'

Yes, isn't that interesting - seeing as the entire bogus pretext for the appointment of a SC was to investigate Trump/Russian collusion.

or 'prosequi'

So ... freakin ... what???

I was using a legal term to describe the fact that Mueller failed in his duty to reach a conclusion on obstruction.

Reading comprehension problems, much?

So, clearly Barr lied & Mueller isn't a media show.

Eh? Barr lied about what? He didn't know if Mueller agreed with his conclusions about obstruction. Show me where Barr was made aware of Muellers opinion on his conclusions regarding obstruction, then lied about it.

Seriously... why on earth do you think a seasoned lawyer like Barr would lie about something so inconsequential?

Because the President fires people who he doesn't like and then he instigates an ongoing public smer campaign to try ad justify his actions. The result of this is that for anyone in he targets, their future life and work is ruined.

Jim Mathis, Nikki Hayley, James Comey, Sally Yates, Michael Flynn, Preet Bhara, Walter Shaub, Michael Dubke, Reince Priebus, Sean Spicer, Michael Short, Anthony Scaramucci, Steve Bannon, Sebastian Gorka, Tom Price, Omarosa Manigault, Andrew McCabe, Rob Porter, David Sorenson, Hope Hicks, Gary Cohn, Rex Tillerson, HR McMaster, David Shulkin, to name a few.

And I know, he's "draining the swamp", yet many are people he appointed and therefore weren't deeps state, anyway.

Have you read in history of the purges that happen with every despot? Every one.

a reply to: tanstaafl

He keeps saying Barr lied even after being presented with evidence he did not. He does not care.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: tanstaafl

He keeps saying Barr lied even after being presented with evidence he did not. He does not care.

The 'evidence presented' is a quote from something said at a different time and is an invalid argument.

a reply to: chr0naut

Even the congressional dems have dropped the barr lied talking point.
You being upside down haven't figured that out yet.
No worries.
Declass coming soon and an end to all the bs.
The bad orange man won.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut

Even the congressional dems have dropped the barr lied talking point.
You being upside down haven't figured that out yet.
No worries.
Declass coming soon and an end to all the bs.
The bad orange man won.

The fact that you think this is about Trump speaks volumes.



None the less, I was unaware that any Democrats have changed their allegation that Barr was untruthful. Please link to some reliable source that supports your assertion.

originally posted by: chr0naut
Because the President fires people who he doesn't like

Barr couldn't care less about getting fired, he didn't need the job, he volunteered because he saw what was happening and wanted to help clean up the swamp. At least, that is what I hope he does, time will tell, but so far, so good.

and then he instigates an ongoing public smer campaign to try ad justify his actions. The result of this is that for anyone in he targets, their future life and work is ruined.

Ummm... I thought we were talking about Trump? Why are you talking about what the democrates are actively engaged in and have been for the last 2+ years?

Jim Mathis, Nikki Hayley, James Comey, Sally Yates, Michael Flynn, Preet Bhara, Walter Shaub, Michael Dubke, Reince Priebus, Sean Spicer, Michael Short, Anthony Scaramucci, Steve Bannon, Sebastian Gorka, Tom Price, Omarosa Manigault, Andrew McCabe, Rob Porter, David Sorenson, Hope Hicks, Gary Cohn, Rex Tillerson, HR McMaster, David Shulkin, to name a few.

A few of those, sure, Ytump has had some choice words for at one time or anouther - but a smear campaign? Again, that is what the dems do.

And I know, he's "draining the swamp", yet many are people he appointed and therefore weren't deeps state, anyway.

Actually a lot were, you seem to forget. Trump wasn't a professional politician, and I freely admit he had a rough start, not knowing who he could trust in the hundreds of positions he had to fill, all while fighting an impossible fight against the Deep State, many of whom were in his own party.

I'm still not convinced Pence isn't the biggest mole in his administration, but that is one he can't fire.

Have you read in history of the purges that happen with every despot? Every one.

Sure, but I haven't seen anything ever remotely approaching anything like that with Trump. None of the people Trump has fired were blackholed and never seen or heard from again. On the contrary, Brennan Clapper and Comey are all yammering their heads off vainly hoping something will save them from the #storm headed their way.

That's good. I hope they get unrestricted access and security clearance and can clean this mess up once and for all.

(Will the same people who complained about the Mueller investigation costs do the same thing here too?)




Let them try. In the end, they should have just gave him the $ for the wall. Apologized. Kissed the ring. And look toward 2024. No, they doubled down and are ending up in crosshairs.


No probz.

I'm not paying for any of it. I'm far away living the island paradise dream.


Hahahaha
Aaaahahahaha
When things dont go your way your not interested and a "foreigner".
Not surprising or unexpected.


You are paying for it in taxes. You also paid for the Mueller investigation, and the FISA warrants, and the campaign funds that were misappropriated, and the taxation not paid.

Enjoy.




Are we or are we paying for it with the funds seized by the justice dept. in all its recent corruption arrests? Might want to research before making ludicrous claims. I lost my house exemption this year but still paid less in taxes. How is that possible?? One answer Trump and I did not even vote for Biff either but maybe next time.

a reply to: chr0naut

The fact that you think this is about Trump speaks volumes

mkay
the bad orange man won

you may return to you hobbit hole now, perhaps jackson has some other purpose for that place


oh wait you left there right?
just in time for the recent trump like election as well?

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut

The fact that you think this is about Trump speaks volumes

mkay
the bad orange man won

you may return to you hobbit hole now, perhaps jackson has some other purpose for that place

oh wait you left there right?
just in time for the recent trump like election as well?

Firstly, I moved to New Zealand decades ago.

... and your understanding of the Australian political climate seems to be colored by likening it to the American situation, which it plainly is not. In Australia, the two most popular parties are quite centrist. If anything, the comments over the decades have been that they are hardly different than each other.

However, Scott Morrison isn't right winger like Trump. He is centrist. The name of his party is 'The Liberal Party of Australia'. Get that, Liberals!



Most actual right-wing parties lost far more than the election. They no longer have their voice in parliament. These right wing parties who have lost representation include: Australia First Party (NSW) Incorporated, Australian Christians, Australian Country Party, Australian People's Party, Christian Democratic Party (Fred Nile Group), Jacqui Lambie Network, Love Australia or Leave party, Republican Party of Australia, Rise Up Australia Party, Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party, The Great Australian Party and Yellow Vest Australia party.

The election was actually quite a rout for the right wing (and left wing - Aussies, on average, don't like extremists).

Morrison is nothing like Trump. For a start, Morrison is the sitting Prime Minister with a party that has been in government for six years, and close elections in Australia generally favour the incumbent. Morrison is also, in no sense, an outsider seeking to uproot the political order.

The 'agent of change' in the Australian election would have been the opposition leader Bill Shorten, who lost (and is center left).

www.vox.com...

The Australian federal election has delivered a shocking result, with the right-wing Liberal-National government expected to return to power for a third term despite polls and odds having strongly favored the opposition Labor Party.

shocking must mean something else down there......

Labor leader Bill Shorten conceded, telling supporters, “I know that you’re all hurting, and I am too,” after what has been described by the ABC as a “horror night” for Labor.

abc is always wrong....

The Labor Party was widely favored to win this election — so much so that popular gambling website Sportsbet opted to pay out to Labor-backers two days early, to the tune of $1.3 million

yep no surprises there.....

by likening it to the American situation, which it plainly is not.

yeah nothing like the no path to 270......

Firstly, I moved to New Zealand decades ago.

which would explain why you are simply wrong about my comparison