Roger Stone Asks for Evidence Russians Hacked DNC Server

originally posted by: JAY1980
This makes the 20 FBI agents busting down his door at 2:00 am even more outrageous.

Totally outrageous, and untrue!

They knocked on his door and said "FBI! Open the door!" and he did.‘FBI! Open the door!’: The tactics behind the armed agents at Roger Stone’s home - The Washington Post

Unfortunately...
Or maybe fortunately for us leftist have a memory that only lasts about as long as your average news cycle. So Roger Stone is a long forgotten memory to these idiots at this point.

Perhaps your ranting is that of a Fascist sycophant, who unquestionably believes the spin and hasn't actually checked his narrative before posting?

Of course, that is just supposition. I would not post as a fact something that I could not actually know was such.

a reply to: chr0naut

That sir smells like horse poo.if crowd whatever had it at their. Place then further to turn it off right. Comeyshouldhavegot a warrant. Dnc was afraid what illegal stuff that w as s on said servers.

a reply to: chr0naut

Nope
Just turn over what the fbi asked for
They didnt ask for copies or images.
Or can you produce documents that state that?

I will wait.

originally posted by: chr0naut
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Also, the FBI were given images of the drives quite early on, by Crowdstrike, the cyber security company who were doing the audit.

Oh, you mean the same Crowdstrike that made up another FALSE claim that "the same Russians that hacked the DNC hacked Ukraine's artillery units and decimated them?...

...
A cybersecurity firm has uncovered strong proof of the tie between the group that hacked the Democratic National Committee and Russia’s military intelligence arm – the primary agency behind the Kremlin’s interference in the 2016 election.

The firm CrowdStrike linked malware used in the DNC intrusion to malware used to hack and track an Android phone app used by the Ukrainian army in its battle against pro-Russia separatists in eastern Ukraine from late 2014 through 2016.

While CrowdStrike, which was hired by the DNC to investigate the intrusions and whose findings are described in a new report, had always suspected that one of the two hacker groups that struck the DNC was the GRU, Russia’s military intelligence agency, it had only medium confidence.

Now, said CrowdStrike co-founder Dmitri Alperovitch, “we have high confidence” it was a unit of the GRU. CrowdStrike had dubbed that unit “Fancy Bear.”
...

The Russians who hacked the DNC found to have also hacked Ukraine’s antiquated howitzers

Except for the FACT that both Ukraine, and the intelligence agency that Crowdstrike used as a source ( IISS) have reiterated that this never happened... Crowdstrike made it all up...

CrowdStrike Revises Russian Hack Into Ukrainian Artillery

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But the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) told VOA that CrowdStrike erroneously used IISS data as proof of the intrusion. IISS disavowed any connection to the CrowdStrike report. Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense also has claimed combat losses and hacking never happened.
...
“The CrowdStrike report uses our data, but the inferences and analysis drawn from that data belong solely to the report’s authors,” the IISS said. “The inference they make that reductions in Ukrainian D-30 artillery holdings between 2013 and 2016 were primarily the result of combat losses is not a conclusion that we have ever suggested ourselves, nor one we believe to be accurate.”

One of the IISS researchers who produced the data said that while the think tank had dramatically lowered its estimates of Ukrainian artillery assets and howitzers in 2013, it did so as part of a “reassessment” and reallocation of units to airborne forces.

“No, we have never attributed this reduction to combat losses,” the IISS researcher said, explaining that most of the reallocation occurred prior to the two-year period that CrowdStrike cites in its report.

“The vast majority of the reduction actually occurs … before Crimea/Donbass,” he added, referring to the 2014 Russian invasion of Ukraine.
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Think Tank: Cyber Firm at Center of Russian Hacking Charges Misread Data

First, Crowdstrike CLAIMED, without evidence, that the same Russians that hacked the DNC also hacked Ukraine's artillery units and decimated them. When Ukraine officials and IISS responded by claiming that this is a lie Crowdstrike changed their "report" to still claim that some artillery units were lost because of the hack that never really happened... Crowdstrike NEVER even admitted to be lying... Instead they revised their report to claim there were some loses from the fake hack...

originally posted by: chr0naut
The server itself was not given to the FBI because they would have to turn it off and disconnect it to do so. Interrupting the analysis and security remediation.

AAAAAHHH--BU11$#EET-CHUUUUU...

When there is a REAL hack to any government group/agency it is the job of the FBI to investigate it... It isn't the job of the people making the claim to contract a civilian security firm and deny the FBI access to the servers... This denial, which happened several times, is obstruction of justice... But since Comey/McCabe were working with the Obama/Hillary administration to follow their plans, the FBI under Comey/McCabe did not pursue the matter anymore...

Let's reiterate again what the actual truth is about "Crowdstrike's reports..."

...
But the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) told VOA that CrowdStrike erroneously used IISS data as proof of the intrusion. IISS disavowed any connection to the CrowdStrike report. Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense also has claimed combat losses and hacking never happened.
...

Think Tank: Cyber Firm at Center of Russian Hacking Charges Misread Data

BTW, let's not forget the following...

By Patrick LawrenceTwitter
August 9, 2017
...
That is why The Nation published Patrick Lawrence’s article “A New Report Raises Big Questions About Last Year’s DNC Hack.” The article largely reported on a recently published memo prepared by Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS), which argued, based on their own investigation, that the theft of the DNC e-mails was not a hack, but some kind of inside leak that did not involve Russia.
...

A New Report Raises Big Questions About Last Year’s DNC Hack

If you don't know whom VIPS are, here.

Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) is a group of former officers of the United States Intelligence Community. It was formed in January 2003 when the group issued a statement accusing the Bush Administration of misrepresenting U.S. national intelligence information in order to push the US and its allies toward that year's US-led invasion of Iraq. The group issued a letter stating that intelligence analysts were not being heeded by policy makers. The group initially numbered 25, mostly retired analysts.
...

Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity

What's more William Binney, former NSA’s technical leader who designed the programs still being used to this day by the NSA has stated that after he took a look at the evidence, he concluded that the hack was local and was done with a portable thumb drive. The hack did not come from Russia. The hack was a "leak."

People wonder why the DNC denied the FBI access to their servers?... This is why...

William Binney is part of the group VIPS, but we are talking about who is considered the top expert in NSA who designed many of the programs that are still used to this day by the NSA.

CIA Director Met Advocate of Disputed DNC Hack Theory — at Trump’s Request
Duncan Campbell, James Risen

November 7 2017, 7:11 a.m.

CIA Director Mike Pompeo met late last month with a former U.S. intelligence official who has become an advocate for a disputed theory that the theft of the Democratic National Committee’s emails during the 2016 presidential campaign was an inside job, rather than a hack by Russian intelligence.

Pompeo met on October 24 with William Binney, a former National Security Agency official-turned-whistleblower who co-authored an analysis published by a group of former intelligence officials that challenges the U.S. intelligence community’s official assessment that Russian intelligence was behind last year’s theft of data from DNC computers. Binney and the other former officials argue that the DNC data was “leaked,” not hacked, “by a person with physical access”1 to the DNC’s computer system.
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CIA Director Met Advocate of Disputed DNC Hack Theory — at Trump’s Request

Anyone remembers a person who had access to the DNC servers and was claimed to have been murdered in a failed robbery?...

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut

Nope
Just turn over what the fbi asked for
They didnt ask for copies or images.
Or can you produce documents that state that?

I will wait.

The FBI have made no such request to me and I couldn't comply if they did. You grant me too much preeminence.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: xuenchen

That should be easy to find.
It's right under obamas college admissions, trumps tax returns, hillarys hard drive and tom Brady's cell phone....

You must be a Jete fan (yes, J-E-T-E, Jets-Jets-Jets)

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: chr0naut
...
Also, the FBI were given images of the drives quite early on, by Crowdstrike, the cyber security company who were doing the audit.

Oh, you mean the same Crowdstrike that made up another FALSE claim that "the same Russians that hacked the DNC hacked Ukraine's artillery units and decimated them?...

...
A cybersecurity firm has uncovered strong proof of the tie between the group that hacked the Democratic National Committee and Russia’s military intelligence arm – the primary agency behind the Kremlin’s interference in the 2016 election.

The firm CrowdStrike linked malware used in the DNC intrusion to malware used to hack and track an Android phone app used by the Ukrainian army in its battle against pro-Russia separatists in eastern Ukraine from late 2014 through 2016.

While CrowdStrike, which was hired by the DNC to investigate the intrusions and whose findings are described in a new report, had always suspected that one of the two hacker groups that struck the DNC was the GRU, Russia’s military intelligence agency, it had only medium confidence.

Now, said CrowdStrike co-founder Dmitri Alperovitch, “we have high confidence” it was a unit of the GRU. CrowdStrike had dubbed that unit “Fancy Bear.”
...

The Russians who hacked the DNC found to have also hacked Ukraine’s antiquated howitzers

Except for the FACT that both Ukraine, and the intelligence agency that Crowdstrike used as a source ( IISS) have reiterated that this never happened... Crowdstrike made it all up...

CrowdStrike Revises Russian Hack Into Ukrainian Artillery

...
But the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) told VOA that CrowdStrike erroneously used IISS data as proof of the intrusion. IISS disavowed any connection to the CrowdStrike report. Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense also has claimed combat losses and hacking never happened.
...
“The CrowdStrike report uses our data, but the inferences and analysis drawn from that data belong solely to the report’s authors,” the IISS said. “The inference they make that reductions in Ukrainian D-30 artillery holdings between 2013 and 2016 were primarily the result of combat losses is not a conclusion that we have ever suggested ourselves, nor one we believe to be accurate.”

One of the IISS researchers who produced the data said that while the think tank had dramatically lowered its estimates of Ukrainian artillery assets and howitzers in 2013, it did so as part of a “reassessment” and reallocation of units to airborne forces.

“No, we have never attributed this reduction to combat losses,” the IISS researcher said, explaining that most of the reallocation occurred prior to the two-year period that CrowdStrike cites in its report.

“The vast majority of the reduction actually occurs … before Crimea/Donbass,” he added, referring to the 2014 Russian invasion of Ukraine.
...

Think Tank: Cyber Firm at Center of Russian Hacking Charges Misread Data

First, Crowdstrike CLAIMED, without evidence, that the same Russians that hacked the DNC also hacked Ukraine's artillery units and decimated them. When Ukraine officials and IISS responded by claiming that this is a lie Crowdstrike changed their "report" to still claim that some artillery units were lost because of the hack that never really happened... Crowdstrike NEVER even admitted to be lying... Instead they revised their report to claim there were some loses from the fake hack...

originally posted by: chr0naut
The server itself was not given to the FBI because they would have to turn it off and disconnect it to do so. Interrupting the analysis and security remediation.

AAAAAHHH--BU11$#EET-CHUUUUU...

When there is a REAL hack to any government group/agency it is the job of the FBI to investigate it... It isn't the job of the people making the claim to contract a civilian security firm and deny the FBI access to the servers... This denial, which happened several times, is obstruction of justice... But since Comey/McCabe were working with the Obama/Hillary administration to follow their plans, the FBI under Comey/McCabe did not pursue the matter anymore...

Let's reiterate again what the actual truth is about "Crowdstrike's reports..."

...
But the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) told VOA that CrowdStrike erroneously used IISS data as proof of the intrusion. IISS disavowed any connection to the CrowdStrike report. Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense also has claimed combat losses and hacking never happened.
...

Think Tank: Cyber Firm at Center of Russian Hacking Charges Misread Data

Genuinely interesting. Thank you for that.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
BTW, let's not forget the following...

By Patrick LawrenceTwitter
August 9, 2017
...
That is why The Nation published Patrick Lawrence’s article “A New Report Raises Big Questions About Last Year’s DNC Hack.” The article largely reported on a recently published memo prepared by Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS), which argued, based on their own investigation, that the theft of the DNC e-mails was not a hack, but some kind of inside leak that did not involve Russia.
...

A New Report Raises Big Questions About Last Year’s DNC Hack

If you don't know whom VIPS are, here.

Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) is a group of former officers of the United States Intelligence Community. It was formed in January 2003 when the group issued a statement accusing the Bush Administration of misrepresenting U.S. national intelligence information in order to push the US and its allies toward that year's US-led invasion of Iraq. The group issued a letter stating that intelligence analysts were not being heeded by policy makers. The group initially numbered 25, mostly retired analysts.
...

Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity

What's more William Binney, former NSA’s technical leader who designed the programs still being used to this day by the NSA has stated that after he took a look at the evidence, he concluded that the hack was local and was done with a portable thumb drive. The hack did not come from Russia. The hack was a "leak."

People wonder why the DNC denied the FBI access to their servers?... This is why...

William Binney is part of the group VIPS, but we are talking about who is considered the top expert in NSA who designed many of the programs that are still used to this day by the NSA.

CIA Director Met Advocate of Disputed DNC Hack Theory — at Trump’s Request
Duncan Campbell, James Risen

November 7 2017, 7:11 a.m.

CIA Director Mike Pompeo met late last month with a former U.S. intelligence official who has become an advocate for a disputed theory that the theft of the Democratic National Committee’s emails during the 2016 presidential campaign was an inside job, rather than a hack by Russian intelligence.

Pompeo met on October 24 with William Binney, a former National Security Agency official-turned-whistleblower who co-authored an analysis published by a group of former intelligence officials that challenges the U.S. intelligence community’s official assessment that Russian intelligence was behind last year’s theft of data from DNC computers. Binney and the other former officials argue that the DNC data was “leaked,” not hacked, “by a person with physical access”1 to the DNC’s computer system.
...

CIA Director Met Advocate of Disputed DNC Hack Theory — at Trump’s Request

Anyone remembers a person who had access to the DNC servers and was claimed to have been murdered in a failed robbery?...

You are also aware that this contradicts the conclusions of the Mueller report?

I'll have to research this and check all the sources. Again, thanks.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
While I think stone is a slimy individual who probably deserves jail time..

Why? What has he done to justify such a comment?

I ask in all seriousness - haven't researched him...

originally posted by: chr0naut
The server itself was not given to the FBI because they would have to turn it off and disconnect it to do so. Interrupting the analysis and security remediation.

I call BS.

I'm not a cybersecurity expert, but that is a ridiculous claim. They could image whatever was in memory before shutting it down, but also - I have moved servers without powering them off. it isn't hard, you just get a few fully charged UPSs, and migrate the server power supplies (all servers have dual power supplies) to one of them, one at a time, then move it.

originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: xuenchen
"The "images" were 2nd and 3rd hand information 😎🐀"

Really?

Really... or are you seriously suggesting that those images couldn't be tampered with before giving them, to the FBI?

If so, shows how much little you know about data forensics.

originally posted by: chr0naut
The images of the drives are the evidence and were handed over.

Evidence provided by a firm in the formal employ of the DNC?

Prove they weren't tampered with.

a reply to: chr0naut

More statements you are unable to back up.....
So suprised
So all they asked for was the server?

originally posted by: chr0naut
What you don't seem to get is that in order to remove the control boards, the drive must be disassembled in a clean environment.

Does anyone know what kind of hard drives were running in said server?

This entire thread is assuming they were old mechanical drives. What if they were SSDs (SATA, M.2, etc), or hybrids?

a reply to: tanstaafl

It would be like the FBI coming to my house to collect clothing I wore on the day of a murder, and I tell them to wait, they can't come in, they can't get it, I will provide the clothes to them myself as soon as I am ready to do so.

Then we can't question whether or not I did anything to the clothes before I turned them over.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

It was copied by a company that does that as their primary business. Its like all they do.
You think they left something out? Made a mistake?

They are the people that the FBI uses for a reason.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

What the FBI said about it...

Then-FBI Director James Comey testified last year that the FBI did not get access to the server, but the DNC hired a private cybersecurity firm that shared its forensic analysis of the DNC server with the FBI. “[W]e got the forensics from the pros that they hired which — again, best practice is always to get access to the machines themselves, but this — my folks tell me was an appropriate substitute,” Comey said in a March 20, 2017, exchange with Rep. Will Hurd of Texas about the DNC server.

a reply to: Sillyolme

So he said best practice is to get access, which the DNC refused them. Thank you for proving this was not done the way it should be done.

The FBI got what the DNC allowed them to get, as proven by your source.

a reply to: JAY1980

I'm guessing that you never actually saw the video footage of his arrest did you?
No one broke down any doors.
Stone answered their knock and let them in quite peacefully.
Its all on tape if you care to learn something.