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Two stunning revelations on Russia hoax investigation

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posted on May, 13 2019 @ 07:52 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

you could change out trump for assange in your pic and the meme would still work
lol
so it was ok for assange to release the emails but not ok for trump to publically joke about them?

so ironic that YOU chose that meme




posted on May, 13 2019 @ 02:39 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut

you could change out trump for assange in your pic and the meme would still work
lol
so it was ok for assange to release the emails but not ok for trump to publically joke about them?

so ironic that YOU chose that meme


I was referring to Trump.

Assange is clearly not in charge.



posted on May, 13 2019 @ 02:41 PM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: chr0naut



Clearly not about Carter Page, a US resident citizen.


Being that this investigation was from prior to the 2016 election, that would be correct. The IG investigation of the 2016 to present abuses is coming out in the next month or so. Joe DiGenova, a former FISA court lawyer, has said he knows that the IG has determined at least the last three renewals of the FISA in question (page) were illegally obtained. I believe him, but that doesn't make him correct. Time will tell.

What you need to start understanding at this point is the two hop rule and how that means that yes, indeed, Trump himself was spied upon. If by some miracle he wasn't personally spied on, people very close to him were. That was the entire purpose of the carter page warrant. They already knew all there was to know about page, he was working as an informant for the FBI, against russia, up through april or may of 2016.


They thought he might be a double agent. It happens.



posted on May, 13 2019 @ 02:43 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Oh so you are behind the IG investigation the will reveal the FISA fraud and thus the entire fraudulent investigation?
Good to see you found the way!



posted on May, 13 2019 @ 02:44 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut




They thought he might be a double agent. It happens.

No they did not.
Kindly post your source for this.
Or is it more "trump 2014 court case" bs?


www.realclearinvestigations.com...



In 2013, a Russian national working as an unregistered foreign agent at a Russian bank in Manhattan sought information from Page, a longtime energy consultant, related to U.S. efforts to develop alternative energy resources, according to court papers filed by the FBI. Although Page thought the man was a legitimate banker after meeting him at an energy symposium in New York City, he was a Russian agent under federal investigation. He was later caught on surveillance dismissing Page as an “idiot.” The FBI informed Page in 2013 that the Russians might be trying to recruit him.
A U.S. Naval Academy alumnus, Page cooperated as a witness in that case, which was coordinated with the bureau’s Counterespionage Section Chief Peter Strzok in Washington, and he helped the government convict the Russian spy.

Page helped the fbi with russia in 2013.

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posted on May, 13 2019 @ 05:07 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Yeah, no. He played agent for them in 2013. In 2016 he was simply still being a witness for them. You think he was playing double agent while not contacting russians? LOL. The stretching gets further and further by the post.
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posted on May, 13 2019 @ 05:11 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut




They thought he might be a double agent. It happens.

No they did not.
Kindly post your source for this.
Or is it more "trump 2014 court case" bs?


www.realclearinvestigations.com...



In 2013, a Russian national working as an unregistered foreign agent at a Russian bank in Manhattan sought information from Page, a longtime energy consultant, related to U.S. efforts to develop alternative energy resources, according to court papers filed by the FBI. Although Page thought the man was a legitimate banker after meeting him at an energy symposium in New York City, he was a Russian agent under federal investigation. He was later caught on surveillance dismissing Page as an “idiot.” The FBI informed Page in 2013 that the Russians might be trying to recruit him.
A U.S. Naval Academy alumnus, Page cooperated as a witness in that case, which was coordinated with the bureau’s Counterespionage Section Chief Peter Strzok in Washington, and he helped the government convict the Russian spy.

Page helped the fbi with russia in 2013.


As per page 11 of the FISA warrant application:

"From approximately 2004 - 2007, Page lived in Russia."

... and this from Wikipedia:

"In 2000, he began work as an investment banker with Merrill Lynch in the firm's London office, was a vice president in the company's Moscow office".

... and also from Wikipedia:

"In 2017, Eurasia Group president Ian Bremmer recalled on his Twitter feed that Page's strong pro-Russian stance was "not a good fit" for the firm and that Page was its "most wackadoodle" alumnus.[22] Stephen Sestanovich later described Page's foreign-policy views as having "an edgy Putinist resentment" and a sympathy to Russian leader Vladimir Putin's criticisms of the United States.[2] Over time, Page became increasingly critical of United States foreign policy toward Russia, and more supportive of Putin, with a United States official describing Page as "a brazen apologist for anything Moscow did".[4] Page is frequently quoted by Russian state television, where he is presented as a "famous American economist".

In August 2013, Page wrote, "Over the past half year, I have had the privilege to serve as an informal advisor to the staff of the Kremlin in preparation for their Presidency of the G-20 Summit next month, where energy issues will be a prominent point on the agenda." "


Please provide any proof that he "assisted the FBI" in any way. The only links that I can see prior to the FISA warrant request were that he was a witness in a court case against two Russian spies, that he knew he was under surveillance (it was in the news) and had written a letter to Comey protesting his innocence (and there was no response to the letter).

The whole article you linked to was 'spin'.



posted on May, 13 2019 @ 05:17 PM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: chr0naut

Yeah, no. He played agent for them in 2013. In 2016 he was simply still being a witness for them. You think he was playing double agent while not contacting russians? LOL. The stretching gets further and further by the post.


Please provide some actual substantiation for the assertion that Carter Page "played agent" for the FBI - at any time.



posted on May, 13 2019 @ 06:06 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Nothing you posted disproves the fact that he cooperated with the fbi in capturing a russian spy.
Once again you are full of it.

Lol
You site wikipedia but my liknk is spin?
Lol
You are a posting contraction.

Once again you are so far behind you think you are in first place.

newspunch.com...

www.justice.gov...

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Just today from msm
This is getting ready to blow up
The msm is asking questions
The same questions asked here over a year ago

www.washingtonexaminer.com...

Caw caw cronaut caw caw
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posted on May, 13 2019 @ 07:36 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut

Nothing you posted disproves the fact that he cooperated with the fbi in capturing a russian spy.
Once again you are full of it.

Lol
You site wikipedia but my liknk is spin?
Lol
You are a posting contraction.

Once again you are so far behind you think you are in first place.

newspunch.com...

www.justice.gov...


Just today from msm
This is getting ready to blow up
The msm is asking questions
The same questions asked here over a year ago

www.washingtonexaminer.com...

Caw caw cronaut caw caw


OK, I'll agree that this does substantiate that Carter Page was most likely UCE-1 described in the SDNY press release. I was not aware of that until you posted it. See, I am actually reasonable.

However, is it beyond your conception to conclude that the FBI considered him as possibly a double agent, as I suggested previously? Think about the wording and the content of the FISA request. Clearly they felt there were grounds for investigation.

Now double agents are usually dangerous and questionable as to their motives. They 'play' both sides for their own personal gain. Again, perhaps Page was deep cover and his apparent favor of things Russian could have been a ruse to strengthen his 'embedding'. But because he is a double agent, it would be wise for the agency that knows this to 'handle him with kid gloves'.

And, consider the value of Page as deep cover double agent who is actually working in the interest of the Russians. Burning a low level and already compromised agent embeds him 'in' deeper with the US side where he can do more damage. Look how close to the Presidency he got and possibly still is.

That the Mueller report didn't impugn any crime to Page can't be taken that the FBI was lying to the court about their suspicions. The Mueller report that absolved him by implication, was based upon the evidence (or lack thereof) captured by the warrant in question.

At the time, the FBI still had reasonable suspicion and did not lie to the FISA court, especially if he were a known double agent. Those suspicions appear to have been groundless but there was no way to have known back then. The subsequent FISA warrant and and investigation revealed so.

The fact that there is much unredacted in the warrant request may hide that the FBI knew he was a double agent.

Do you think it would be in the national interest to assume that because someone once worked on your side, they are forever loyal? Look to the way everyone has acted in this. They are loyal only as far as it suits their own interests.



posted on May, 13 2019 @ 07:42 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Mueller did not charge page.
Your "speculation" is bs.
The standards for a fisa warrant are not "may" be.
Fisa wrrants are issued based on proof NOT evidence.
Once again you simply do not understand our laws.
Fisa standards are higher than a simple court because no defendant is represented.

The fbi lied to get the warrant.
Everything gathered is fruit of the poisonous tree.
The ENTIRE investigation was bs.

Those responsible will be charged.



posted on May, 13 2019 @ 08:01 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut

Mueller did not charge page.


Yes. But the Mueller report was based upon the evidence recovered (or not recovered) from those FISA warrants.


Your "speculation" is bs.


Neither of us know that for sure.


The standards for a fisa warrant are not "may" be.
Fisa wrrants are issued based on proof NOT evidence.


What constitutes proof that isn't evidence?


Once again you simply do not understand our laws.
Fisa standards are higher than a simple court because no defendant is represented.


FISC Rules of Procedure


The fbi lied to get the warrant.
Everything gathered is fruit of the poisonous tree.
The ENTIRE investigation was bs.

Those responsible will be charged.


What is the point of getting a warrant if you already have the proof that someone has committed a crime? You already have enough to convict them. It would be a pointless waste of time and public money.

You are not being rational.

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posted on May, 13 2019 @ 08:11 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

No
Research what it takes to get a fisa warrant.
It is not suspicion.
A fisa warrant requires PROOF.
The warrant in question was twice denied.
The unverified(nice way of saying bs) dossier was presented as PROOF.

You simply don't understsnd our laws.


You do understand they could spy on pages russian contacts all the live long day with no warrant?
They used the warrant on page to get to the campaign.
ILLEGAL.

Study up and come back after you learn.
Cause you really don't understand.



posted on May, 13 2019 @ 08:15 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Guess what????
It is offically released.
The msm can't ignore it now.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Enjoy!



posted on May, 13 2019 @ 08:22 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut

Guess what????
It is offically released.
The msm can't ignore it now.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Enjoy!


Cheers, I await the results.




posted on May, 13 2019 @ 08:24 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut

No
Research what it takes to get a fisa warrant.
It is not suspicion.
A fisa warrant requires PROOF.
The warrant in question was twice denied.
The unverified(nice way of saying bs) dossier was presented as PROOF.

You simply don't understsnd our laws.


You do understand they could spy on pages russian contacts all the live long day with no warrant?
They used the warrant on page to get to the campaign.
ILLEGAL.

Study up and come back after you learn.
Cause you really don't understand.


I posted a link to the FISC regulations in my previous (to your post) post.

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posted on May, 13 2019 @ 08:26 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut

Guess what????
It is offically released.
The msm can't ignore it now.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Enjoy!


Holy Klobbering KaBoomBoom !!!!! 😁



posted on May, 13 2019 @ 08:27 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

So read them.
Read what can be brought in the application.
Its not just we think.
It has to be VERIFIED .

Or dont.



posted on May, 13 2019 @ 08:27 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

So read them.
Read what can be brought in the application.
Its not just we think.
It has to be VERIFIED .

Or dont.



posted on May, 14 2019 @ 09:47 AM
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a reply to: Wardaddy454

no evidence exists that Hillary colluded with Russia.




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