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Two stunning revelations on Russia hoax investigation

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posted on May, 12 2019 @ 03:48 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut
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The warrants were entirely legal and the fault does not lie with the FISA courts themselves. They did their best based upon the evidence and testimony presented.
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The warrants were NOT legal when the information used to obtain them was FALSE, and Comey and McCabe knew it wasn't verified and was probably false information yet they used it anyways to obtain the FISA warrants.
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posted on May, 12 2019 @ 07:42 AM
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originally posted by: Bob350
Muller would probably love to testify. I doubt he will because it won't be only democrats asking the questions.
Then main question I would like to have him answer ,TRUTHFULLY, is when ,during his look into this, did he know that there was no collusion or obstruction. If I were a betting man I would say he knew immediately after starting. However, he had to keep up the facade at least until the 2018 midterms.
This is going to get really interesting!!

I am looking for him to die suddenly KGB style and it be a questionable death. Then the media will blame it on POTUS 45 and the DNC will demand the Military arrest the king. Neither they at that point or we can have that for different reasons (since he is a Patriot Libertarian/Conservative and fighting the Cabal openly).

Then the Military will stand down to any Congressional order, if not begin Military Tribunals against the perps we have already proven to be trying to take over control of our Gov from the people.

DJT will point out Mueller found nothing, NOTHING!
Why kill that guy if you were him? That will be the debate.

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posted on May, 12 2019 @ 10:24 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Oh, how sad. I keep thinking the lefts arguments can't get any dumber. I'm consistently surprised, even when I shouldn't be.

How can obtaining a warrant be illegal??? LOL you've got to be joking, you just have to be.

In case you aren't, read the whole thing, not just the first paragraph.
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posted on May, 12 2019 @ 10:35 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

www.independentsentinel.com... try using something besides google (hillary) to search. The Soviet Union was comprised of several nations besides Russia and is no longer. We have Russia surrounded by Nato and former President Obummer was caught live on mic stating after he got re-elected he would have more flexibility. He was chair for 2 months or 1/6th of a year? Wow that is like a yuge amount of time. I am not a Trump voter ftr but this whole russia crap is garbage since Hillary has far more ties to them than Trump and his business deals ever. Since collusion isn't a crime then how is trying to stop a bs investigation into it obstruction? I will vote for Trump if he locks her up tho. 2 were found guilty of charges having nothing to do with collusion but tax evasion and registering as a foreign agent before they were on Trump's team. How many pedophiles have been arrested since Trump took office? Are you against the prosecution of pedophiles? Name something Trump has done that has actually harmed our Republic? Hiliarhea turning into tds is something a lot of Americans need to see a doctor for.



posted on May, 12 2019 @ 02:23 PM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: chr0naut

Oh, how sad. I keep thinking the lefts arguments can't get any dumber. I'm consistently surprised, even when I shouldn't be.

How can obtaining a warrant be illegal??? LOL you've got to be joking, you just have to be.

In case you aren't, read the whole thing, not just the first paragraph.


Nowhere in the linked page does it say that the court case or the warrants issued, are illegal.

From the linked page, "Even if a reviewing court later disagrees and decides that the warrant shouldn’t have been issued in the first place, the officer’s search in good-faith reliance on the warrant will be considered valid, and whatever the search turns up will be admissible in evidence. If, however, the warrant is issued on the basis of statements in the affidavit that the police knew to be untrue or made recklessly without proper regard for their truth, the evidence from a search based on the warrant may later be excluded. In this situation, the evidence would be excluded based on the police officer’s actions, not an error by the judge.

It clearly says that the acceptability of the evidence is based upon the decision of a reviewing court. Has there been a decision by a court reviewing the FISA applications prior to the use of the evidence returned by the warrant?

Also it clearly says that even if the judge was in error, that the evidence gained by the warrant is admissible. It is only inadmissible if a court finds that the applicants for the warrant lied.



posted on May, 12 2019 @ 02:42 PM
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originally posted by: CrazyFox
a reply to: chr0naut

www.independentsentinel.com... try using something besides google (hillary) to search. The Soviet Union was comprised of several nations besides Russia and is no longer. We have Russia surrounded by Nato and former President Obummer was caught live on mic stating after he got re-elected he would have more flexibility. He was chair for 2 months or 1/6th of a year? Wow that is like a yuge amount of time. I am not a Trump voter ftr but this whole russia crap is garbage since Hillary has far more ties to them than Trump and his business deals ever. Since collusion isn't a crime then how is trying to stop a bs investigation into it obstruction? I will vote for Trump if he locks her up tho. 2 were found guilty of charges having nothing to do with collusion but tax evasion and registering as a foreign agent before they were on Trump's team. How many pedophiles have been arrested since Trump took office? Are you against the prosecution of pedophiles? Name something Trump has done that has actually harmed our Republic? Hiliarhea turning into tds is something a lot of Americans need to see a doctor for.


Firstly, what laws has Trump put in place that has made any change in pedophile arrests?

Trump's Mythical Crackdown on Sex Trafficking - Reason

Are you also aware that Trump has been accused of forcing a minor to commit sex acts on him? The court case, while lodged, has not been tried as the accuser withdrew her charges (but that might possibly happen if someone wealthy has a history of hush money payments).

Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Look at the length of the list and the dates of the alleged crimes.

The Mueller report clearly says that the crimes were conspiracy and obstruction of justice and that Trump is not exonerated. The report also explains why charges were not perused.

Trump can wave the report and rightly say that it clears him of flamboozling in a public space. It is deflection.



posted on May, 12 2019 @ 03:41 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

alleged means not guilty or guilty though because no trial or decision was made. so in effect it dont mean crap.



posted on May, 12 2019 @ 03:46 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Keep reaching. No one here is saying the judge made an error, rather that the cops (comey/mccabe/rosentein) did. Which is specifically covered in the article I linked you to.




If, however, the warrant is issued on the basis of statements in the affidavit that the police knew to be untrue or made recklessly without proper regard for their truth, the evidence from a search based on the warrant may later be excluded. In this situation, the evidence would be excluded based on the police officer’s actions, not an error by the judge.


The FISA court has indeed ruled that they were lied to. Multiple times. By Comey's FBI and Lynch's DoJ.
See here



posted on May, 12 2019 @ 06:12 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut
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I'm also fairly sure that the Steele dossier did, and does not, meet the requirements of legal evidence and therefore was not, itself, ever presented to the FISA courts.

I doubt that the more accurate headline would be particularly desired by those wanting to paint a narrative that the warrants were groundless.


It has already been shown that the Steele dossier was in fact used to obtain the FISA warrant. chr0naut, perhaps you should write these things down as you keep forgetting.



posted on May, 12 2019 @ 06:24 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut
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Also it clearly says that even if the judge was in error, that the evidence gained by the warrant is admissible. It is only inadmissible if a court finds that the applicants for the warrant lied.


And Comey and MCCabe did lie. They signed that the Steele dossier's information was verified, but Comey admitted it wasn't.



posted on May, 12 2019 @ 06:29 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

... ah! a negative reality inversion! Gets 'em every time.




"Shouldn't testify" is an opinion, not an order.



posted on May, 12 2019 @ 06:48 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

The FISA search warrant against Cohen resulted in a conviction. So, it clearly wasn't groundless.


Which had nothing to do with "Russian collusion" and had to do with Cohen's actions, and not because Trump did anything illegal. Cohen even admitted that Trump never told him to do anything illegal. At one point Cohen says, Trump looked at me and I took that as a sign that I should do (i forget what it was now, was it pay the porn star with campaign money?). It was Cohen himself who did the action, Trump didn't tell him to do it.

BTW, Cohen has stated, several times, that he recorded every conversation he had with Trump. Even though he claimed, after being caught in his own lies, that he had evidence against Trump when he was asked to supply that evidence/recordings he admitted he had no such recording of Trump telling him to do anything illegal. Cohen lied to save his own skin.


originally posted by: chr0naut
The FISA warrants against Mannafort resulted in a conviction. So, they clearly weren't groundless.


Manafort was indicted on a case unrelated which happened in 2005, before he was campaign manager for Trump, and back then Rosestein, who was the attorney/prosecutor for the state, made it clear that they/the state were not going to prosecute Manafort. They decide to prosecute Manafort now to try to get him to say anything negative about Trump. This is not proof that "Trump did anything illegal. Please chr0naut, i know you have difficulty remembering all of this. You should write it all down so you don't keep forgetting.

Not to mention the fact that "political allies of Hillary" who committed the same crimes as Manafort were given immunity by Mueller and the "pro-Clinton" lawyers who were part of Mueller's team.


originally posted by: chr0naut
The FISA warrant against Gates (If there was such a warrant. He could have been charged due to the information gained from the FISA raid on Mannafort) resulted in a conviction. So, it clearly wasn't groundless.


Who is Gates?

As for Gen. Flynn, he was entrapped. First the FBI told him he wasn't being officially questioned. Not to mention the fact, do you remember every conversation you had two years ago to a t? The FBI asked Gen. Flynn a question to which they already had an answer to, but Gen. Flynn didn't remember. But still the FBI agents, including Strzok, told Comey and McCabe that they didn't think Flynn lied. Comey and McCabe hid this from Congress, that's the real crime. They hid exculpatory evidence that would have exonerated Gen. Flynn. That's the real crime that should be punished.

Flynn Didn’t Lie! But Comey Was Caught Lying About General Flynn



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posted on May, 12 2019 @ 08:30 PM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: chr0naut

Keep reaching. No one here is saying the judge made an error, rather that the cops (comey/mccabe/rosentein) did. Which is specifically covered in the article I linked you to.




If, however, the warrant is issued on the basis of statements in the affidavit that the police knew to be untrue or made recklessly without proper regard for their truth, the evidence from a search based on the warrant may later be excluded. In this situation, the evidence would be excluded based on the police officer’s actions, not an error by the judge.


The FISA court has indeed ruled that they were lied to. Multiple times. By Comey's FBI and Lynch's DoJ.
See here


From page 6 about 1/2 way down:

"each of the 2016 certifications involves the targeting of "non-United States persons reasonably believed to be located outside the United States to acquire foreign intelligence information"."

Clearly not about Carter Page, a US resident citizen.

But I do find it of concern that, contrary to Constitutional directives, a court can authorize retrieval of electronic search of the communications of US citizens, even if those citizens are not suspected of any crime (i.e: they can search the innocent, to try to catch the guilty).



posted on May, 12 2019 @ 08:56 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: chr0naut

The FISA search warrant against Cohen resulted in a conviction. So, it clearly wasn't groundless.


Which had nothing to do with "Russian collusion" and had to do with Cohen's actions, and not because Trump did anything illegal. Cohen even admitted that Trump never told him to do anything illegal. At one point Cohen says, Trump looked at me and I took that as a sign that I should do (i forget what it was now, was it pay the porn star with campaign money?). It was Cohen himself who did the action, Trump didn't tell him to do it.

BTW, Cohen has stated, several times, that he recorded every conversation he had with Trump. Even though he claimed, after being caught in his own lies, that he had evidence against Trump when he was asked to supply that evidence/recordings he admitted he had no such recording of Trump telling him to do anything illegal. Cohen lied to save his own skin.


originally posted by: chr0naut
The FISA warrants against Mannafort resulted in a conviction. So, they clearly weren't groundless.


Manafort was indicted on a case unrelated which happened in 2005, before he was campaign manager for Trump, and back then Rosestein, who was the attorney/prosecutor for the state, made it clear that they/the state were not going to prosecute Manafort. They decide to prosecute Manafort now to try to get him to say anything negative about Trump. This is not proof that "Trump did anything illegal. Please chr0naut, i know you have difficulty remembering all of this. You should write it all down so you don't keep forgetting.

Not to mention the fact that "political allies of Hillary" who committed the same crimes as Manafort were given immunity by Mueller and the "pro-Clinton" lawyers who were part of Mueller's team.


originally posted by: chr0naut
The FISA warrant against Gates (If there was such a warrant. He could have been charged due to the information gained from the FISA raid on Mannafort) resulted in a conviction. So, it clearly wasn't groundless.


Who is Gates?


Rick Gates, Mannafort's ex-business partner who sold him out and was himself convicted. Manafort ex-business partner Rick Gates testifies they committed crimes together - The Guardian


As for Gen. Flynn, he was entrapped. First the FBI told him he wasn't being officially questioned. Not to mention the fact, do you remember every conversation you had two years ago to a t? The FBI asked Gen. Flynn a question to which they already had an answer to, but Gen. Flynn didn't remember. But still the FBI agents, including Strzok, told Comey and McCabe that they didn't think Flynn lied. Comey and McCabe hid this from Congress, that's the real crime. They hid exculpatory evidence that would have exonerated Gen. Flynn. That's the real crime that should be punished.

Flynn Didn’t Lie! But Comey Was Caught Lying About General Flynn


Flynn pled guilty to lying to the FBI. He has been convicted but is still awaiting sentencing.

Trump also was behind firing Flynn from his position as National Security Advisor.

Flynn is a registered Democrat.



posted on May, 12 2019 @ 09:41 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

Rick Gates, Mannafort's ex-business partner who sold him out and was himself convicted. Manafort ex-business partner Rick Gates testifies they committed crimes together - The Guardian



Again, for crimes that were committed over a decade ago. Nothing to do with the "Russia collusion" false claims.


originally posted by: chr0naut
Flynn pled guilty to lying to the FBI. He has been convicted but is still awaiting sentencing.

Trump also was behind firing Flynn from his position as National Security Advisor.

Flynn is a registered Democrat.


For entrapment and after being threatened by Mueller that he would go after Flynn's son, and after Gen. Flynn had to stop fighting the false accusation because he cannot pay attorney's fees anymore.


Former White House national security adviser Michael Flynn is worried over the potential legal exposure of his son Michael G. Flynn in the ongoing investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

The concern for Flynn Jr., who is also under probe by Mueller like that of his father, was confirmed by multiple sources familiar with the matter to CNN.

Mueller's focus on Flynn Jr. might be a tactic to coerce Flynn into cooperating with the investigation, a report said citing some legal experts.
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Why Michael Flynn Jr Is Threatened By Robert Mueller's Russia Probe

Flynn selling home under mounting legal bills, as McCabe racks up cash online to pay lawyers

Gen. Flynn's life and his family are ruined. They have no money to pay for attorney's fees and people have been trying to do "go fund me" accounts to try to help Flynn... But who has more money, someone who has to get help from the public, or the government which is paying Mueller, not to mention the pro-Clinton democrat lawyers?...

That's also not mentioning the FACT that pro-Clinton donors have already used money to bribe people like McCabe.

Clinton ally gave $500K to wife of FBI agent (McCabe) on email probe

Listen... IF the FBI had evidence of a crime committed by Flynn, they didn't have to ask him anything. They only had to charge him for that crime and convict him.

Instead they asked Flynn about a conversation he had who knows how long ago. The FBI had the conversation's transcripts, so they KNEW the answer, but Flynn forgot exactly what he talked about.

Again, IF the FBI had actual evidence that Flynn committed a crime they didn't have to ask him about a conversation that happened months to a couple years back.

They could only entrap Gen. Flynn by asking a question they already had an answer to, despite the fact that even the FBI agents stated to Comey and McCabe that they didn't think Flynn was lying...

Here...


Jan. 24, 2017, 5:50 AM MST / Updated Jan. 24, 2017, 5:50 AM MST
By Ken Dilanian

The FBI eavesdropped on telephone calls between President Donald Trump's national security adviser and the Russian ambassador but found nothing improper, a U.S. intelligence official said.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media, said late Monday that there was never a formal "investigation" of the calls in December between retired Army Lt. Gen. Mike Flynn and Sergei Kislyak, Russia's ambassador in Washington.
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FBI Finds Nothing Amiss in Flynn-Russia Eavesdrop: Official

The above information comes from an interview that nbcnews did with a government official. NBC News has been against Trump from the start. Why would they lie about this?

Gen. Flynn wasn't the only innocent person whose life has been ruined by the fake "Russia collusion" claims. Several people, whose only crime was to side with Trump, have had their lives ruined and not one of them has been found guilty of any collusion with Russia...



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posted on May, 12 2019 @ 10:10 PM
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Here are some other "facts" that I forgot to add links to corroborate my statements.

Law Prof: McCabe Firing Suggests Comey Lied to Congress While Under Oath (WATCH)



House Intel report: McCabe said agents who interviewed Flynn 'didn’t think he was lying'

Comey Lied

It was a TRAP: Sentencing memo in Mike Flynn case proves Comey’s FBI was trying to set him up

False accusations have ruined politicians in the past without being guilty of anything. This is what happened to all those that Mueller and his "pro-Clinton lawyers" went after because they didn't want Trump as POTUS. Mueller and his team went after innocent people, the crimes made by Manafort and Cohen have nothing to do with Russian collusion, whose lives have been ruined, and in the end not one of them has been found guilty of any "Russian collusion..."




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posted on May, 12 2019 @ 10:14 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Here is another "fact" that I forgot to add.

Law Prof: McCabe Firing Suggests Comey Lied to Congress While Under Oath (WATCH)



House Intel report: McCabe said agents who interviewed Flynn 'didn’t think he was lying'

Comey Lied

It was a TRAP: Sentencing memo in Mike Flynn case proves Comey’s FBI was trying to set him up

False accusations have ruined politicians in the past without being guilty of anything. This is what happened to all those that Mueller and his "pro-Clinton lawyers" did, by going after innocent people, whose lives have been ruined and in the end not one of them has been found guilty of any "Russian collusion..."


Mueller is a registered Republican.



posted on May, 12 2019 @ 10:23 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

Mueller is a registered Republican.


Who chose only pro-Clinton and anti-Trump lawyers to help him in his witch hunt...

Comey and McCabe are also registered as Republicans... These people are rinos/progressives who wanted Hillary Clinton as POTUS...

BTW...


President Obama Welcomes James Comey as FBI Director



If Comey and McCabe weren't in line with Obama's/Hillary administration plans, Obama would have fired Comey and McCabe's wife wouldn't have gotten the $500,000 from pro Clinton donor, while at the same time giving McCabe 2 promotions, first to third highest office in FBI and then to the second highest office, in the FBI within 1 year...

Not to mention the FACT that McCabe received these bribes from the pro-Clinton donor, and from Comey, meanwhile McCabe was the head of the "hillary clinton emails investigation..." Both McCabe and Comey ruled in favor of Clinton, and changed the language of their report to exonerate Clinton before they ever interviewed Hillary or her lawyers, and they both ruled against Trump before they ever interviewed him or his lawyers...

Comey, McCabe, Mueller, et al have been and are on Hillary Clinton's/Obama's side...


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posted on May, 13 2019 @ 05:18 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Here is another "fact" that I forgot to add.

Law Prof: McCabe Firing Suggests Comey Lied to Congress While Under Oath (WATCH)



House Intel report: McCabe said agents who interviewed Flynn 'didn’t think he was lying'

Comey Lied

It was a TRAP: Sentencing memo in Mike Flynn case proves Comey’s FBI was trying to set him up

False accusations have ruined politicians in the past without being guilty of anything. This is what happened to all those that Mueller and his "pro-Clinton lawyers" did, by going after innocent people, whose lives have been ruined and in the end not one of them has been found guilty of any "Russian collusion..."


Mueller is a registered Republican.


Not only do you not understand our laws you don't understand the Uniparty. You need to quit posting in threads on American politics. Clueless or lying just quit it.



posted on May, 13 2019 @ 07:34 AM
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Clearly not about Carter Page, a US resident citizen.


Being that this investigation was from prior to the 2016 election, that would be correct. The IG investigation of the 2016 to present abuses is coming out in the next month or so. Joe DiGenova, a former FISA court lawyer, has said he knows that the IG has determined at least the last three renewals of the FISA in question (page) were illegally obtained. I believe him, but that doesn't make him correct. Time will tell.

What you need to start understanding at this point is the two hop rule and how that means that yes, indeed, Trump himself was spied upon. If by some miracle he wasn't personally spied on, people very close to him were. That was the entire purpose of the carter page warrant. They already knew all there was to know about page, he was working as an informant for the FBI, against russia, up through april or may of 2016.




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