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Pompeo to UK: Don't use Huawei or you will lose sharing of intel!

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posted on May, 9 2019 @ 08:51 AM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

From the source of your source:


i. in 2018, HCSEC fulfilled its obligations in respect of the provision of software engineering and cyber securityassurance artefacts to the NCSC andtheUK operators as part of the strategy to manage risks to UK national security from Huawei’s involvement in the UK’s critical networks;
ii. However, as reported in 2018, HCSEC’s work has continued to identify concerning issues in Huawei’s approach to softwaredevelopment bringing significantly increased risk to UK operators, which requires ongoing management and mitigation;
iii. No material progresshas been made on the issues raised in the previous 2018 report;
iv. The Oversight Board continues to be able to provide only limited assurancethat the long-term security risks can be managed in the Huawei equipment currently deployed in the UK;
v. The Oversight Board advises that it will be difficult to appropriately risk-manage future products in the context of UK deployments, until the underlying defects in Huawei’s software engineering and cyber security processes are remediated;
vi. At present, the Oversight Board has not yet seen anything to give it confidence in Huawei’s capacity to successfully complete the elements of its transformation programme that it has proposed as a means of addressing these underlying defects. The Board will require sustained evidence of better software engineering and cyber security quality verified by HCSEC and NCSC;
vii. Overall, the Oversight Board can only provide limited assurance that all risks to UK national security from Huawei’s involvement in the UK’s critical networks can be sufficiently mitigated long-term.


As far as I can understand this, there are issues but they seem to be minor and "to be removed" in future release of Huawei's software. The main point is that there is an open view on all of Huaweis' sourcecodes and foreign intelligence agencies are actively using this to ensure that there are no unknown backdoors which could be used for attacks on cybersecurity - besides the known issues.




posted on May, 9 2019 @ 09:03 AM
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originally posted by: ManFromEurope
Use Cisco instead, we have all the backdoors for those!
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What a time to be alive, they do not even care to hide their plans anymore.. And now its not just us lowlies being peons, but whole nations are being bullyed to be peons.


Where does it say to use Cisco instead because they have all the back doors? I don't doubt they do, but a little truth goes a long way. Sensationalizing by adding BS just makes the op look stupid and more like msm trolling than real info.

Cheers - Dave



posted on May, 9 2019 @ 09:11 AM
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The reasonable solution to this is.. using us-american gear from Cisco? Which has many, many, many *documented* leaks and I guess a lot more only known to the NSA?

If we are to use a foreign supplier I would rather it be an ally of the UK like the US than a secretive Communist regime with a history of stealing IP from rivals.
If we go Huawei that calls into question our security relationship with America , that's a price too high to pay in my opinion.

The decision to let China invest in our new Hinkley Point nuclear power plant is another decision that threatens our security again made by this pathetic government and their useless leader.

It's time we made Britain Great Again and stop relying on foreign investment from dubious sources.

Who's system does Germany use ?



posted on May, 9 2019 @ 09:18 AM
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It's funny watching leftists meltdown over Trump administration. They'll always chose to support whatever policy The Orange Man Bad criticize.

You can call it TDS or butt-hurt.



posted on May, 9 2019 @ 10:51 AM
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originally posted by: ManFromEurope
Use Cisco instead, we have all the backdoors for those!
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What a time to be alive, they do not even care to hide their plans anymore.. And now its not just us lowlies being peons, but whole nations are being bullyed to be peons.


After everything the UK has done for us... They even tried to help us by plotting a coup against Trump! And THIS is how we thank them? I just don't get it...



posted on May, 9 2019 @ 10:53 AM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: ManFromEurope

I don't like Pompeo, but I think he's right on this one.

China is notorious for state and corporate espionage. The US has corporate espionage cases in every state involving a Chinese national.

To be fair, the US hasn't always been innocent when it comes to spying on our friends, but our interests closely align with that of the UK.


I agree with you.
Anyone other than a British company would be forced to use backdoors and such for spying if the need arose, and I'm sure if a British company did this for a foreign country, the same would be said, and like ATS member Gortex said...



If we are to use a foreign supplier I would rather it be an ally of the UK like the US than a secretive Communist regime with a history of stealing IP from rivals.



edit on 9-5-2019 by Kurokage because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 9 2019 @ 10:56 AM
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originally posted by: bobs_uruncle

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
Use Cisco instead, we have all the backdoors for those!
Source


What a time to be alive, they do not even care to hide their plans anymore.. And now its not just us lowlies being peons, but whole nations are being bullyed to be peons.


Where does it say to use Cisco instead because they have all the back doors? I don't doubt they do, but a little truth goes a long way. Sensationalizing by adding BS just makes the op look stupid and more like msm trolling than real info.

Cheers - Dave


You can safely assume anything he says is heavily laced with TDS. He literally cannot help but slather on some BS to amp up the hate.



posted on May, 9 2019 @ 10:58 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: ManFromEurope

I agree with Pompeo , China shouldn't be allowed anywhere near sensitive infrastructure like telecoms or power generation.


But... Trumps the devil, so... China is automatically at least better than, more trustworthy, more honorable, etc, than TRUMP...right?????



posted on May, 9 2019 @ 11:09 AM
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But... Trumps the devil, so... China is automatically at least better than, more trustworthy, more honorable, etc, than TRUMP...right?????

You confuse National Security concerns with personality politics , how unsurprising.



posted on May, 9 2019 @ 12:00 PM
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The replies on this thread are astounding to me, why are you people so willing and meek in letting anyone have access to your data? It's pathetic, and if you think you can trust the US anymore than you can China, you must have rocks in your head



posted on May, 9 2019 @ 12:10 PM
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a reply to: Zcustosmorum

It isn't about your data or my data it's about sensitive information and National Security data , it's also about the divide the deal would put between us and America.



posted on May, 9 2019 @ 12:18 PM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

It isn't about your data or my data it's about sensitive information and National Security data , it's also about the divide the deal would put between us and America.


The US is a fear mongering, paranoid, aggressive, business interest protecting cesspit, regardless of whether you trust China or not, that's why they have to blackmail other countries all the time into getting what they want.

And if it isn't about everybody's data, then why were the US covertly spying on everyone for years?



posted on May, 9 2019 @ 12:23 PM
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The US are an important ally , China are not so the choice is clear , no bullying just the realities of life.

As for spying , nobody has clean hands on that front , it's part of the day to day ins and outs of Nations.



posted on May, 9 2019 @ 12:27 PM
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The US are an important ally , China are not so the choice is clear , no bullying just the realities of life.


Invisible lines created by the US mate, and blackmail is akin to bullying




As for spying , nobody has clean hands on that front , it's part of the day to day ins and outs of Nations.


In that case, I refer you back to my first post.



posted on May, 9 2019 @ 12:31 PM
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So all the “capitalism” and “free marketeer” cheerleaders show their hypocrisy. China didn’t destroy the worlds economy, our banks did. China didn’t create the school to prison pipeline, the clintons did. China didn’t bailout the banks, destroy people’s 401k, make millions of Americans homeless, Congress and several presidents did. China didn’t deregulation consumer protections, trump did. It’s an interesting day when I’m more free market than the trumpeteers, and I feel safer with Chinese tech than my own nations. Hell, the vast majority of our stuff already comes from China, and the us presidents, Congress, senate, and corporate sector are much more to blame for that than China. This is nothing more than a blatant example of the fact that markets are only there to be controlled for the profit of our corporations



posted on May, 9 2019 @ 12:36 PM
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Invisible lines created by the US mate, and blackmail is akin to bullying

If they suspect Huawei of being a state asset I can see why Pompeo said what he said , these concerns aren't new and probably have some validity , I thought the proposed deal with Huawei was a bad idea when it was first proposed as is Chinese investment in Hinkley Point , it's just more Tory government trying to do things on the cheap.
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posted on May, 9 2019 @ 12:50 PM
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If they suspect Huawei of being a state asset I can see why Pompeo said what he said , these concerns aren't new and probably have some validity


Protecting their own business interests and I guarantee that as usual, no evidence will ever be presented.



it's just more Tory government trying to do things on the cheap.


No evidence for that either, and I absolutely despise the Tories



posted on May, 9 2019 @ 12:51 PM
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Yes, I totally agree. The problem with these Chinese companies is that to get big and powerful they have to remain close to the Chinese dictatorship. The theft of IP by the Chinese state and the support and protection of companies who have engaged in theft has been the untold scandal of our time.

There is a reason why Huawei, and a multitude of other companies, have developed so quickly in thirty years. Off the back of stolen IP.

We should buy nothing made in China.



posted on May, 9 2019 @ 12:54 PM
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I smell trolls



posted on May, 9 2019 @ 01:42 PM
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originally posted by: paraphi
a reply to: gortex

Yes, I totally agree. The problem with these Chinese companies is that to get big and powerful they have to remain close to the Chinese dictatorship. The theft of IP by the Chinese state and the support and protection of companies who have engaged in theft has been the untold scandal of our time.

There is a reason why Huawei, and a multitude of other companies, have developed so quickly in thirty years. Off the back of stolen IP.

We should buy nothing made in China.


As opposed to the us where when companies get big enough they just buy the govt. and then use that govt to attack their competition, which this is an example of.




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