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Idiot leftie harassing pro life old lady. How nice.

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posted on May, 17 2019 @ 02:50 AM
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edit on 17-5-2019 by hopenotfeariswhatweneed because: nvm




posted on May, 17 2019 @ 07:21 AM
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originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: uncommitted

So where do any of those things apply to this woman this idiot was literally harassing?

By the way, those conditions are under the "what would a reasonable person determine" doctrine as are most things.

You can't just cry about how you feel without there being a reasonable condition to support the assertion of harassment. Certainly not against this woman.


All just in your opinion, and if you haven't walked in the shoes of someone who had reason to make use of the clinics services then your opinion is worthless, completely worthless and pathetic, just like it seems the republicans of Alabama.



I think you are letting your emotions overtake your common sense. I don't agree with Abortion, I think it's murder. But as I said in my OP, the law says differently. Now, if enough people feel differently, then they will work to change the laws. Which is what is happening in Alabama right now. If you feel the law is wrong, then change it, but you can't pick and choose which laws to follow unless you want to be a criminal.

Hate one side for not agreeing with you is OK, but you kind of have to understand them, when they reciprocate.

And again, I'm not in the shoes of someone who has to make that decision, so I can't begin to understand why someone would chose to end a potentially beautiful life of a child. There are people who can't conceive and would be elated to adopt a child. There are also people who have sex, and protect against pregnancy with good results.



This whole thread is based on emotion

back-off.org...


who knew that legalized murder of children would be an emotional topic.



posted on May, 17 2019 @ 07:51 AM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: uncommitted

So where do any of those things apply to this woman this idiot was literally harassing?

By the way, those conditions are under the "what would a reasonable person determine" doctrine as are most things.

You can't just cry about how you feel without there being a reasonable condition to support the assertion of harassment. Certainly not against this woman.


All just in your opinion, and if you haven't walked in the shoes of someone who had reason to make use of the clinics services then your opinion is worthless, completely worthless and pathetic, just like it seems the republicans of Alabama.



I think you are letting your emotions overtake your common sense. I don't agree with Abortion, I think it's murder. But as I said in my OP, the law says differently. Now, if enough people feel differently, then they will work to change the laws. Which is what is happening in Alabama right now. If you feel the law is wrong, then change it, but you can't pick and choose which laws to follow unless you want to be a criminal.

Hate one side for not agreeing with you is OK, but you kind of have to understand them, when they reciprocate.

And again, I'm not in the shoes of someone who has to make that decision, so I can't begin to understand why someone would chose to end a potentially beautiful life of a child. There are people who can't conceive and would be elated to adopt a child. There are also people who have sex, and protect against pregnancy with good results.



This whole thread is based on emotion

back-off.org...


who knew that legalized murder of children would be an emotional topic.


Well it is for you, isn't 'idiot leftie' an emotional term?

I passed you that link so you could educate yourself a little on other peoples perspectives. I know that may be difficult for you (and some others on this thread), but who knows, you may see things in a more rounded context.



posted on May, 17 2019 @ 08:00 AM
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a reply to: uncommitted

You linked him to a organization that wants to criminalize protesting.

Your agenda is crap.



posted on May, 17 2019 @ 08:36 AM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: uncommitted

You linked him to a organization that wants to criminalize protesting.

Your agenda is crap.


I linked to an organisation that has has statements from the victims of harassment.

This thread is about taking away choices from people - if you agree with that then your agenda is sick.



posted on May, 17 2019 @ 09:12 AM
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a reply to: uncommitted

Choices aren't without consequences.

The reality is that this is a movement lead by people who have zero accountability.



posted on May, 17 2019 @ 09:27 AM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: uncommitted

Choices aren't without consequences.

The reality is that this is a movement lead by people who have zero accountability.


lol, so, they are against targeted harassment.

You are clearly for the criminalisation of women being able to make a choice. The reality is that means you want to control another persons life - fairly much literally as an unwanted child isn't just for Christmas. In Alabama, as far as I'm aware, the bill was passed in the form in which it was presented, so the victim of rape who became pregnant as a result is now expected to raise the child - as incest is not a good enough reason for abortion then the rape could have been from a family member. Happy to stand corrected if those elements were withdrawn.

And you talk about zero accountability.



posted on May, 17 2019 @ 11:52 AM
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a reply to: uncommitted


You are clearly for the criminalisation of women being able to make a choice.


Is there an Olympic event for jumping to conclusions? There should be, especially for you. It would be guaranteed gold.



posted on May, 17 2019 @ 03:07 PM
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originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Box of Rain

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Flatcoat

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: uncommitted

1st amendment right in America as I understand it is to also criticise her for what she is doing, but that's different I guess?


He is making a targeted harassment, and trying to stop her from exercising her first amendment right. Similar to how leftists have been suppressing right-wing/independent speakers from speaking at Universities/colleges, and have been trying to suppress everyone from the right, or even people from all sides simply for the color of their skin.


And by the same token she is making a targeted harassment of people using that clinic - how come you aren't getting so irate about that? Oh I wonder.


Well, for a start, she wasn't harassing, insulting, recording and trying to dox clients of the clinic.


That depends how you interpret harassment doesn't it? Harassment is how it leaves you as the target feeling, you have your opinion, but you aren't the one being targeted.


Not every protest of a clinic necessarily equates to harassing clients of that clinic.

The woman has the general right to protest the clinic in a legal way, and if you say she wasn't doing it legally (e.g., verbal encounters with clients that could be considered harassment) then you need to show some evidence that she did these things.

Her simply being there -- and possibly even saying things towards clients -- does not necessarily amount to harassment, even if a client may feel personally uncomfortable about her presence.

I mean, if that were true, then practically ANY protester could have claims of harassment brought against them. Protestor's messages are usually meant to make someone else feel annoyed or uncomfortable.



I've only seen the same clip you have if you watched it so what may or may not have been said that was not uploaded - and let's be honest here, the clip is intended to show a particular political angle on the interaction so if it is illustrative of the full encounter, and anything the pro life women or others may have said or done is not shown, we won't know that.

But I no longer think that's the point of the thread. Someone criticises someone who is criticising others for using the clinic and of course many on here take a very one sided view of who is 'at fault'.


So, she "did some things" then he "did some things" because he felt all hurt and threatened by an old woman praying the rosary. Am I hearing you correctly?



Usual place to pray the rosary would be church or home, not outside a planned parenthood clinic trying to intimidate people going through a traumatic experience. Tell me where he says he feels hurt or threatened and then it's worth having a discussion, but seeing as you can't then all you are doing is baiting.


Praying is not relegated to only church. Heck, I am an agnostic and even I know that much, and am not going to delude myself into that type of lie to support my position.

As for his feeling hurt and threatened, his actions in lashing out at her as she quietly prays speak louder than any words. But then, I see this with open eyes, not like someone that is pushing a narrative.

When you open your eyes and are open to actual factual discourse, I will be here to have that discussion. Until then, all you are doing is being a political and social apologist for harassing actions.




back-off.org...


So, you ran out of your own thoughts (if you had any) and are directly linking to your source of emotional retardation now?

Bravo.

Here is your participation award...



posted on May, 19 2019 @ 05:48 AM
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originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Box of Rain

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Flatcoat

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: uncommitted

1st amendment right in America as I understand it is to also criticise her for what she is doing, but that's different I guess?


He is making a targeted harassment, and trying to stop her from exercising her first amendment right. Similar to how leftists have been suppressing right-wing/independent speakers from speaking at Universities/colleges, and have been trying to suppress everyone from the right, or even people from all sides simply for the color of their skin.


And by the same token she is making a targeted harassment of people using that clinic - how come you aren't getting so irate about that? Oh I wonder.


Well, for a start, she wasn't harassing, insulting, recording and trying to dox clients of the clinic.


That depends how you interpret harassment doesn't it? Harassment is how it leaves you as the target feeling, you have your opinion, but you aren't the one being targeted.


Not every protest of a clinic necessarily equates to harassing clients of that clinic.

The woman has the general right to protest the clinic in a legal way, and if you say she wasn't doing it legally (e.g., verbal encounters with clients that could be considered harassment) then you need to show some evidence that she did these things.

Her simply being there -- and possibly even saying things towards clients -- does not necessarily amount to harassment, even if a client may feel personally uncomfortable about her presence.

I mean, if that were true, then practically ANY protester could have claims of harassment brought against them. Protestor's messages are usually meant to make someone else feel annoyed or uncomfortable.



I've only seen the same clip you have if you watched it so what may or may not have been said that was not uploaded - and let's be honest here, the clip is intended to show a particular political angle on the interaction so if it is illustrative of the full encounter, and anything the pro life women or others may have said or done is not shown, we won't know that.

But I no longer think that's the point of the thread. Someone criticises someone who is criticising others for using the clinic and of course many on here take a very one sided view of who is 'at fault'.


So, she "did some things" then he "did some things" because he felt all hurt and threatened by an old woman praying the rosary. Am I hearing you correctly?



Usual place to pray the rosary would be church or home, not outside a planned parenthood clinic trying to intimidate people going through a traumatic experience. Tell me where he says he feels hurt or threatened and then it's worth having a discussion, but seeing as you can't then all you are doing is baiting.


Praying is not relegated to only church. Heck, I am an agnostic and even I know that much, and am not going to delude myself into that type of lie to support my position.

As for his feeling hurt and threatened, his actions in lashing out at her as she quietly prays speak louder than any words. But then, I see this with open eyes, not like someone that is pushing a narrative.

When you open your eyes and are open to actual factual discourse, I will be here to have that discussion. Until then, all you are doing is being a political and social apologist for harassing actions.




back-off.org...


So, you ran out of your own thoughts (if you had any) and are directly linking to your source of emotional retardation now?

Bravo.

Here is your participation award...




Sorry, do you have any thoughts of your own? You appear to be just following the herd of people that wouldn't know an original thought if it slapped you with a wet fish. So much of it on ATS in the political threads these days, the stupid led by the idiotic.



posted on May, 19 2019 @ 11:32 AM
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originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Box of Rain

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Flatcoat

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: uncommitted

1st amendment right in America as I understand it is to also criticise her for what she is doing, but that's different I guess?


He is making a targeted harassment, and trying to stop her from exercising her first amendment right. Similar to how leftists have been suppressing right-wing/independent speakers from speaking at Universities/colleges, and have been trying to suppress everyone from the right, or even people from all sides simply for the color of their skin.


And by the same token she is making a targeted harassment of people using that clinic - how come you aren't getting so irate about that? Oh I wonder.


Well, for a start, she wasn't harassing, insulting, recording and trying to dox clients of the clinic.


That depends how you interpret harassment doesn't it? Harassment is how it leaves you as the target feeling, you have your opinion, but you aren't the one being targeted.


Not every protest of a clinic necessarily equates to harassing clients of that clinic.

The woman has the general right to protest the clinic in a legal way, and if you say she wasn't doing it legally (e.g., verbal encounters with clients that could be considered harassment) then you need to show some evidence that she did these things.

Her simply being there -- and possibly even saying things towards clients -- does not necessarily amount to harassment, even if a client may feel personally uncomfortable about her presence.

I mean, if that were true, then practically ANY protester could have claims of harassment brought against them. Protestor's messages are usually meant to make someone else feel annoyed or uncomfortable.



I've only seen the same clip you have if you watched it so what may or may not have been said that was not uploaded - and let's be honest here, the clip is intended to show a particular political angle on the interaction so if it is illustrative of the full encounter, and anything the pro life women or others may have said or done is not shown, we won't know that.

But I no longer think that's the point of the thread. Someone criticises someone who is criticising others for using the clinic and of course many on here take a very one sided view of who is 'at fault'.


So, she "did some things" then he "did some things" because he felt all hurt and threatened by an old woman praying the rosary. Am I hearing you correctly?



Usual place to pray the rosary would be church or home, not outside a planned parenthood clinic trying to intimidate people going through a traumatic experience. Tell me where he says he feels hurt or threatened and then it's worth having a discussion, but seeing as you can't then all you are doing is baiting.


Praying is not relegated to only church. Heck, I am an agnostic and even I know that much, and am not going to delude myself into that type of lie to support my position.

As for his feeling hurt and threatened, his actions in lashing out at her as she quietly prays speak louder than any words. But then, I see this with open eyes, not like someone that is pushing a narrative.

When you open your eyes and are open to actual factual discourse, I will be here to have that discussion. Until then, all you are doing is being a political and social apologist for harassing actions.




back-off.org...


So, you ran out of your own thoughts (if you had any) and are directly linking to your source of emotional retardation now?

Bravo.

Here is your participation award...




Sorry, do you have any thoughts of your own? You appear to be just following the herd of people that wouldn't know an original thought if it slapped you with a wet fish. So much of it on ATS in the political threads these days, the stupid led by the idiotic.


All of my thoughts are my own. I do not belong to any political party nor religious organization (and you can check my post history where I stated these things numerous times). Can you say the same? Doubtful.

Just because my position differs from yours, I am part of some "herd" in your mind?

I know, it is scary not to recite the preconceived talking points you've been told to say....but, fear not, it will set your mind free.

Try original thought, trust me, it is freeing.




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