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Over 300 Federal prosecutors pen a letter saying Trump should have been charged with obstruction .

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posted on May, 6 2019 @ 06:41 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I saw that on the first page was going to give you credit must of forgot. I think I ran across your source it was from 2007 and use data that went back to 1996 .

That was why I used the 350 per district figure for a loose estimate .


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posted on May, 6 2019 @ 06:44 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

www.vox.com...

According to these lawyers they are saying different.



The letter, circulated by the anti-Trump group Protect Democracy and first reported on by the Washington Post’s Matt Zapotosky, is pretty brutal. According to the former Justice Department officials, Trump’s actions as detailed by the Mueller report, which ranged from interference with Mueller’s attempts to acquire cooperating witnesses to an attempt to fire Mueller, constitute severe inference with the federal inquiry. In fact, they say, the question of whether there’s enough evidence to charge Trump isn’t even a particularly tough call. “All of this conduct — trying to control and impede the investigation against the President by leveraging his authority over others — is similar to conduct we have seen charged against other public officials and people in powerful positions,” the letter’s text says.



posted on May, 6 2019 @ 06:54 PM
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a reply to: seagull

That isn't what Mueller said.

washingtonmonthly.com...



Mueller also made it clear that the investigation was hampered by several factors, including the fact that:

Several individuals affiliated with the Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and to Congress, about their interactions with Russian-affiliated individuals and related matters…

Some individuals invoked their Fifth Amendment right against compelled self-incrimination and were not, in the Office’s judgment, appropriate candidates for grants of immunity…

Some of the information obtained via court process, moreover, was presumptively covered by legal privilege and was screened from investigators by a filter (or “taint”) team…

[T]he Office faced practical limits on its ability to access relevant evidence as well—numerous witnesses and subjects lived abroad, and documents were held outside the United States…

[T]he Office learned that some of the individuals we interviewed or whose conduct we investigated—including some associated with the Trump Campaign—deleted relevant communications or communicated during the relevant period using applications that feature encryption or that do not provide for long-term retention of data or communications records.




Therefore, the special counsel provided this qualification in their conclusion that there was not sufficient evidence of a criminal conspiracy between the Russian government and the Trump campaign.

Accordingly, while this report embodies factual and legal determinations that the Office believes to be accurate and complete to the greatest extent possible, given these identified gaps, the Office cannot rule out the possibility that the unavailable information would shed additional light on (or cast in a new light) the events described in the report.


This is far different than saying there was no crime.



posted on May, 6 2019 @ 06:56 PM
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originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: seagull

That isn't what Mueller said.

washingtonmonthly.com...



Mueller also made it clear that the investigation was hampered by several factors, including the fact that:

Several individuals affiliated with the Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and to Congress, about their interactions with Russian-affiliated individuals and related matters…

Some individuals invoked their Fifth Amendment right against compelled self-incrimination and were not, in the Office’s judgment, appropriate candidates for grants of immunity…

Some of the information obtained via court process, moreover, was presumptively covered by legal privilege and was screened from investigators by a filter (or “taint”) team…

[T]he Office faced practical limits on its ability to access relevant evidence as well—numerous witnesses and subjects lived abroad, and documents were held outside the United States…

[T]he Office learned that some of the individuals we interviewed or whose conduct we investigated—including some associated with the Trump Campaign—deleted relevant communications or communicated during the relevant period using applications that feature encryption or that do not provide for long-term retention of data or communications records.




Therefore, the special counsel provided this qualification in their conclusion that there was not sufficient evidence of a criminal conspiracy between the Russian government and the Trump campaign.

Accordingly, while this report embodies factual and legal determinations that the Office believes to be accurate and complete to the greatest extent possible, given these identified gaps, the Office cannot rule out the possibility that the unavailable information would shed additional light on (or cast in a new light) the events described in the report.


This is far different than saying there was no crime.


Then what crime was there?



posted on May, 6 2019 @ 07:02 PM
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originally posted by: TheSteppenwolf

Then what crime was there?


Don't you know? The new "Orange Man Bad" crime. He beat Hillary, the anointed one, and the person with the most damaging dirt on ALL of these people to send them away for life. All those politicos are fearing for their lives and jobs now. They need to strike at him first.....jeesh.



posted on May, 6 2019 @ 07:08 PM
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Wonder how how many of those same names are on the letter saying Hillary broke the law. Any body know how many x prosecutor's there are that didn't sign the letter..

Headline ..5 Million X prosecutor's didn't signthe letter ..
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posted on May, 6 2019 @ 07:15 PM
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Hey look Mum, more hypocrites saying Trump Bad. And a strictly selective application of right and wrong by those who hate Trump.



posted on May, 6 2019 @ 07:17 PM
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a reply to: Krakatoa

RELISH the attacks from Democrats and their MSM crazies, as a badge of honor!




posted on May, 6 2019 @ 07:23 PM
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Sweet lord the left really is going through a meltdown.

Is this the smoking gun that’ll bring Trump down?



posted on May, 6 2019 @ 08:03 PM
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The Dem's are idiots in DC. Here is a real world fact:

1. The majority of the public is SICK as HELL of this Russia-gate nonsense. It turned out to NOT be true, so what is there to obstruct? He KNEW he was innocent, and rode the line of ending the 'witch hunt'. This 'obstruction' crap will not change anything and blow over. It's a 'nothing burger' (hate that term). But it is.

But don't you doubt that some MSM will hold onto that obstruction narrative as long as the can, because that is ALL they have. They kept saying he was a Russian puppet. FALSE. So who can believe these morons in MSM. It's over. He is cleared. Time to move on.

2. As stated, the majority of the American people are sick of hearing about this, and the non-stop FAKE news from trash sites like Buzzfeed or Vox. (Click-bait sites people actually take as serious media! lol) scary. I even ask people--and I meet MANY. From all walks of life. All races, dems and repubs alike.

The one thing they have in common? They are SICK of all the BS fake news. (Many mentioned CNN as 'it's become a joke news channel' or 'Its not world news anymore, its the hate trump network' and they watch other news like Fox! wow.. (This explains the ratings plummet CNN/MSNBC are seeing.)

3. If the dems keep this strategy in place throughout the election, Trump will win. (Extra votes from DEMS, due to them being sick and tired of the lies told about Trump and the bashing.. so they will vote out of spite for Trump. MSM has sadly become a joke. Where is the world news?

I watch Tim Pool which is center left, and even HE mentions the left going crazy, and will backfire on them massively. I like to see news around the world and around the USA, and sadly, only FOX or BBC actually shows more of that than any other site. Every time I switch to CNN or MSNBC, its a panel or chat about how trump is a bad man, or impeach him--ad nauseam. And I am not a right-wing or left-wing. I am center. Always have been. I can see through the BS since a young age. BOTH sides are playing the same game guys. you just have tribal names for each side which divides us. Some in DC WANT that.

4. You see what AOC and her friend is doing--Any Dem candidate pushing socialism will fail big-time. NO ONE wants that--well, at least the majority do not.

5. Biden will be near 80 in 2021. Same for Sanders. And the others have nothing to run on, because the economy is booming, and things are getting better in many aspects of life!! What can they run on? If its "He's rude. He's mean, waaa" then they will look like fools.

I read both sides of the spectrum. (I ignore the far right and far left sites). But you should always check both sides. Sticking to one will keep you in a bubble. Then you learn nothing. But keep a healthy BS meter always--for both sides. And Fact check the hell out of them.

6. If you see a headline about someone important, most people will simply see the title, and not read the story. In the reporting, read carefully and see how they word things. and if its 'allegedly' or 'an anonymous source has said' are red flags, and if this story is important to you, go dig deeper on the net for other sites. See if its true. Even if something is reported--these days wait 2 days before believing it as fact. MSM 'Journalists' have become lazy. and it surely shows lately doesn't it?

Keep it up Democrats.. All what? 20+ people running? Hahaha.. crazy...



posted on May, 6 2019 @ 08:20 PM
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This is from Barrs letter. Again it hinges on corrupt intent .




Generally speaking, to obtain and sustain an obstruction conviction, the government would need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a person, acting with corrupt intent, engaged in obstructive conduct with a sufficient nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding. In cataloguing the President’s actions, many of which took place in public view, the report identifies no actions that, in our judgment, constitute obstructive conduct, had a nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding, and were done with corrupt intent, each of which, under the Department’s principles of federal prosecution guiding charging decisions, would need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to establish an obstruction-of-justice offense.




www.vox.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow"> www.vox.com...


I love it when you can use a liberal sources to prove your point.



posted on May, 6 2019 @ 09:03 PM
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a reply to: grey580

The crime??

If that's not what the man said, what was the crime...supposedly?? Maybe I missed it somewhere along the line over the past two years plus?

I would think, I do that sometimes, I'd have run across it at least once, maybe even twice?? Along with, of course, something along the lines of evidence??

All I'm hearing is hearsay. All I'm hearing is "we must investigate further"...

When does enough finally become enough, or even too much?? Must admit, I'm getting somewhat tired of this whole dog and pony show...enough already. Bring out the proof, impeach the man, put him on trial...

Or STFU, and get over the fact that the anointed one, a/k/a Hillary Clinton, lost...and find a better candidate.



posted on May, 6 2019 @ 09:21 PM
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a reply to: Fallingdown

That they couldn't have cared less when someone under investigation destroyed subeonaed evidence (right there, in the investigation), tells me they're only interested in political posturing.



posted on May, 6 2019 @ 10:02 PM
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originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: Fallingdown

I'll just leave this here.


At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.


www.scribd.com...&from_embed


If they cant charge you in the eyes of the law they did exonerate you because they cant find evidence to try you with.



posted on May, 6 2019 @ 11:33 PM
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a reply to: RalagaNarHallas

Fortunately Mueller, those ex prosecutors, the Democrats or the media I have the power to charge Trump just Barr. There’s one thing a lot of people don’t mention. It’s that Rod Rosenstein was in on the decision too.

I’ve been looking into obstruction of justice concerning Comey.

But I’d be willing to bet they can’t use obstruction in the comey firing.

Due to lack of response I’m trying to decide whether I’ll start one tomorrow or go post on the other site.

My stuff is good on that one .

Oh I almost forgot.



Orange man bad, Hillary smash computers, mueller evil and Jim McCain traitor .

I just want to fit in . ( joke not aimed at you )



posted on May, 7 2019 @ 12:03 AM
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Too bad their opinion is just that.
The AG makes the decision.

It is almost like they don't understand the rules.



posted on May, 7 2019 @ 04:12 AM
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a reply to: Fallingdown

Geeze the media has you liberals undivided attention,but then again a liberal will spin an idea as truth with no truth in it,try turning your boob tube off and search for true sources so you don't have to make stupid posts



posted on May, 7 2019 @ 06:18 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

It said alumni in the article, does that mean many of them are retired??? How many thousands of retired judges are there??



posted on May, 7 2019 @ 07:03 AM
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Sure... Trump had to employ tactics that may have crossed the 'Obstruction-of-Justice' boundary....

but look at the unlawful 'Weaponization' of groups of Agents in Justice/Intel/DHS/FBI, installed by a determined Administration to Spy on a Presidential Candidate and then engage in sabotaging the policies of that honestly elected Administration so that the National Security was Jeopardized...


the illegal acts of an on-going Coup needed stopped at once ---if it takes some degree of 'Obstruction' to thwart these illegal acts, by dangerous 'Bad Actors'... then So Be It… hang the scoundrels ASAP

once the conspirators/collaborators in the Progressive/Democrat/Radical Left broke the rules & Laws by active Sedition Acts, and engaging in a Coup to destabilize the Trump Administration and Executive Office---- Then They have willfully Negated the Protection afforded them & their Acts under the 'Obstruction-of-Justice' Rules of Laws
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posted on May, 7 2019 @ 07:26 AM
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And you missed the other part of the summary where they specifically said many of those they interviewed lied, plead the 5th, would not provide evidence or deleted evidence.

That's why that ends with it does not exonerate him.




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