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President Trump Does NOT Want Bob Mueller To Testify Before Congress.

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posted on May, 6 2019 @ 11:44 AM
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originally posted by: underwerks
Again, if the report is what you and everyone else have been saying, why wouldn't Trump want to be publicly exonerated and end this whole thing?

Unless...


... we are talking about Washington and politics where truth and untruth are spun to suit the needs of whomever is taking. And "End this whole thing" will never ever happen.

Yes you are correct; in Washington it would be politically expedient for Trump to claim executive privilege and disallow Mueller from testifying. That way his opostion won't have much to spin on.

But that's not how Trump operates; due to his megalomania he thinks he is smarter than his opostion and instead always attempts to give them the rope with the hope they will hang themselves. It's worked out for him more often than not the last to years so I assume he will continue with it.




posted on May, 6 2019 @ 11:48 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: underwerks

So now when an investigation is ended with no charges, we need the investigating officer to confirm what the prosecutor says?
Even tho the procedure says the prosecutor is the one who gives the report?

which laws and procedures should we ignore and which should we follow and who gets to decide such?



Mueller never had the authority to bring charges against Trump, that wasnt the purpose of the investigation. The purpose was to investigate and then present the findings to Congress so they can make a decision.

It says that right in the Mueller report. So either you haven't read it or you have read it and are being intentionally obtuse.

Either way, you all seem to have a false view of what the purpose and Muellers authority in the investigation was.

Read the report. Not another person's summary of it.



posted on May, 6 2019 @ 11:59 AM
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originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: underwerks

So now when an investigation is ended with no charges, we need the investigating officer to confirm what the prosecutor says?
Even tho the procedure says the prosecutor is the one who gives the report?

which laws and procedures should we ignore and which should we follow and who gets to decide such?



Mueller never had the authority to bring charges against Trump, that wasnt the purpose of the investigation. The purpose was to investigate and then present the findings to Congress so they can make a decision.


Now that Congress was presented with the findings of the investigation the Democrat leadership does not believe it's worth pursuing further.


WASHINGTON — Speaker Nancy Pelosi does not believe President Trump can be removed through impeachment — the only way to do it, she said this week, is to defeat him in 2020 by a margin so “big” he cannot challenge the legitimacy of a Democratic victory.

www.nytimes.com...


Looks like they are also worried that in their zeal to depose Trump they have created a road map for Republicans and Trump to follow to do the same to them.


What sad times we live in.



posted on May, 6 2019 @ 12:03 PM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire

did you just imply that President Trump is the deep state??


that was what I got from your post, is that what you meant?


I just can't........



posted on May, 6 2019 @ 12:10 PM
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a reply to: DanDanDat


Now that Congress was presented with the findings of the investigation the Democrat leadership does not believe it's worth pursuing further.


What do you think Mueller testifying is then?

Impeachment isn't an event, it's a process. A long drawn out process. And despite what Nancy Pelosi tells you it's already begun. It's following the same road map as Watergate at this point.

I'd be careful taking Nancy Pelosi's current position as evidence of what to expect in the future.



posted on May, 6 2019 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: underwerks




Mueller never had the authority to bring charges against Trump, that wasnt the purpose of the investigation. The purpose was to investigate and then present the findings to Congress so they can make a decision.

perhaps you should read up on the special council
mueller was to make a report for the AG
that report would contain recommendations to charge or not to charge


28 CFR § 600.8
(c)Closing documentation. At the conclusion of the Special Counsel's work, he or she shall provide the Attorney General with a confidential report explaining the prosecution or declination decisions reached by the Special Counsel.


28 CFR § 600.9



(a) The Attorney General will notify the Chairman and Ranking Minority Member of the Judiciary Committees of each House of Congress, with an explanation for each action -
(1) Upon appointing a Special Counsel;
(2) Upon removing any Special Counsel; and
(3) Upon conclusion of the Special Counsels investigation, including, to the extent consistent with applicable law, a description and explanation of instances (if any) in which the Attorney General concluded that a proposed action by a Special Counsel was so inappropriate or unwarranted under established Departmental practices that it should not be pursued.
(b) The notification requirement in paragraph (a)(1) of this section may be tolled by the Attorney General upon a finding that legitimate investigative or privacy concerns require confidentiality. At such time as confidentiality is no longer needed, the notification will be provided.
(c) The Attorney General may determine that public release of these reports would be in the public interest, to the extent that release would comply with applicable legal restrictions. All other releases of information by any Department of Justice employee, including the Special Counsel and staff, concerning matters handled by Special Counsels shall be governed by the generally applicable Departmental guidelines concerning public comment with respect to any criminal investigation, and relevant law.

The AG is the one who decides to charge and if the AG does not agree with the special council the AG has to tell congress why.
In this case the AG did agree with the special council and when the Special Council did not complete his duties the AG got together with the Deputy AG who appointed the Special Council and decided not to charge obstruction.

Congress does not get to make the decision with respect to the special council and only gets to see what the AG deems to be in the public interest and complies with the applicable legal restrictions.
So when fat jerry wants to hold barr in contempt the SCOTUS is going to throw it out because barr is following the cfr....the law congress passed with respect to the special council.

It is you that has a false perspective, and it really does not matter what is in the mueller report. All that matters is that mueller did not recommend charges, and the AG agreed with that.

Read the law, not what the msm tells you.



posted on May, 6 2019 @ 12:40 PM
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I can't wait for Mueller's testimony before Congress.



posted on May, 6 2019 @ 12:45 PM
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originally posted by: LDragonFire
I can't wait for Mueller's testimony before Congress.

it is a perjury trap for mueller
if he testifies something and it is not in the report he is toast
it is not like he can reverse his decision now



posted on May, 6 2019 @ 12:47 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

Your argument is I shouldn't listen to Democrat party leadership on this issue? Your going to have a hell of a time impeaching Trump with the Senate controlled by Republicans ... but now not even the Democrat party leadership can be counted on?

Your argument also is that we are facing a "long drawn out process" from this point? How much longer is it going to take? The presidential election is only a year or so away. What are you going to do Impeach Trump after he leaves office.

Watergate took 2 years from crime to resignation. We long ran off that road.



posted on May, 6 2019 @ 01:10 PM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire

You have a mistaken understanding of what unification actually looks like. It's not everyone coming together and singing around the campfire. Unification is forged in the fire. Especially when it contains such polar opposites as what we have now, ideologically, throughout the country. Trump is exposing the evil, vile filth that runs the deep state and the democrat party. Those with eyes and a brain will join him to exorcise the demon, even if they don't agree with trump 100% on everything.

The deep state and dems are the largest threat to our nations future at this point in time. They're anti-american in every aspect. They don't want a nation to exist at all (no borders). They don't value life (late term and even post birth abortion). They don't value speech (they try to silence all who disagree). They want to disarm a free people. They are willing to flip the justice system upside down for their benefit ("cannot exonerate," launching investigations in search of a crime, etc). They want to abolish the electoral college (which is arguably one of the only reasons the USA came to be). They want to tax you into oblivion (hello socialists). They want to destroy the entire economy (green new deal). They want to import new populations who will work for dirt, and outsource all of the good paying jobs, while demanding a minimum wage that will do no good for the masses of the unemployed.

Most importantly, they have the ability to do all of that. If we are ever dumb enough to give them power or if they are ever cunning enough to steal it. It's not like a foreign adversary who has little real control over our lives. Whose threats are war or trade. This is an inside threat like we haven't seen in at least 150 years, maybe ever.

This is all current stuff, this isn't some summary of the history of the deep state and democrat party. This is their current platform.

So while there are very real flaws on the right and very real flaws with trump, they are so pale in comparison to the modern left that they're hardly worth mentioning.

The most disturbing part about the modern democrats and deep state is their unwillingness to change. It used to be, when you lost an election, you would reflect on why you lost and try to better appeal to the voters. Instead the dems are doubling down. Tripling down. Instead of moderating towards more voters, they're moving to appeal to more radicals.
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posted on May, 6 2019 @ 01:20 PM
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a reply to: shooterbrody



So when fat jerry wants to hold barr in contempt the SCOTUS is going to throw it out because barr is following the cfr....the law congress passed with respect to the special council.


This is what the left is missing. They think congress has a right to see this info if they subpoena it. But they don't, by specific design. These regs were written post-clinton with the purpose of preventing the salacious details that surfaced from his investigation, from ever surfacing again in a similar investigation. The whole reason for the laws that prevent congress from seeing this info, is to prevent exactly what the dems want to use it for. SCOTUS will slap it [contempt] down so fast it will make your head spin. Of course they'll scream that the scotus is biased and pro trump and corrupt. What else is new.
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posted on May, 6 2019 @ 01:24 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite




This is what the left is missing.

They are not missing it, it simply is not being reported by the msm.
So every idiot that watches nbc cnn abc or cbs thinks that barr is hiding something and that congress is entitled to everything that mueller produced. When in reality congress is only entitled to barrs report, and barr is supposed to follow the law and doj procedures to publish such. Normally NOTHING is released when no charges are recommended. For fat jerry to threaten subpoenas for access to grand jury info is laughable, if you know the actual law.
Most zombie dems dont; they only know orange man bad.



posted on May, 6 2019 @ 01:27 PM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

Very true. Enemy of the people.



posted on May, 6 2019 @ 01:32 PM
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a reply to: digerati

It all depends upon exactly how one defines ''the deep state''

The deep state is said to be

The bureaucracy, those career government workers who are so entrenched in their jobs that all that matters to them is that they keep their job.

The career politicians who get elected and team up with one team or the other and then vote not the will of the people but rather the will of the ''team'' so as to keep their jobs.

Some see it as a hidden cabal of elites who control society from behind the walls of secrecy. This group has been claimed to be of illuminate origins and decedents of social controllers for centuries.

While to one degree or another I agree with those somewhat, however my understanding is different.

When I think of the deep state I think not only of politics but the entire social establishment. This of course includes many in government service, grunts and politicians both. But for me the deep state are those who have gotten powerful, not only in politics but in financial wealth as well.

To me the deep state are those who use the current system of wealth to continue their power over society in order to assure that that wealth keeps accumulating in their own bank accounts. They will lie, cheat and steal in order to keep themselves in wealth.

In this sense I can absolutely consider Trump part of the deep state. But only to a degree. To me, he is a ''deep state wannabe''.
His wealth has assured that he can get all the loans he wants, whether or not he pays them back, he leverages and borrows against his own debt. He has been bankrupt how many times yet still can get loans from the ''deepest'' lenders. So maybe he is not of the ''deep deep state' as some would call it but rather he is like a plunderer worming his way into that deep state by attempting a coup of that deep state.

While the deep state is not completely monolithic in that there are numerous corporations who comprise the deep state, Mr. Trump is attempting to become the only deep state by taking over the US government. Sure he got enough people to vote for him to make his claim to the presidency legitimate, but that was a simple task.

In the beginning of his candidacy he was not really planning on winning but rather doing what he does well, finding an existing product and putting his name on it. He bought airlines and casinos and put his name on them. IN his candidency, his original hope was to gain enough followers to assure that any ''anti government'' endeavor he might establish would have an abundance of consumers. Likely this was to be an alternative media outlet like Breitbart.

Likewise he found an existing dissatisfaction among a percentage of the American voters and exploited that dissatisfaction by repeating to those people exactly what they were already thinking all the while telling them that ''HE'' was their only hope, that HE was the only one who could straighten it all out for them.

Trump is a punk in fancy clothes.

Have I made myself clearer here digerati ?



posted on May, 6 2019 @ 01:51 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

Deep state for the right is what the racist card was for the left during Obama presidency.
Everyone who criticizes Trump or God forbid disagrees with him is deep state.
Just like under Obama where every critique was countered with allegations of racism.
The left saw racism everywhere just like the right sees deep state everywhere today.
You can't win the presidency as an outsider and with no support from the establishment.
Everyone who believes differently probably believes in unicorns as well.
Just look at what kind of logistics and support one has got to have to become the president of USA. We are talking about tens of thousands people working and donating their own money to presidential campaigns.
We have big Co's donating big money and they expect something in return.
You don't become POTUS by luck or coincidence, there is too much money involved for that to happen.
But hey. Keep believing that a millionaire like Trump is fighting the establishment that made him rich in the first place. Keep believing just like the left believed that Obama was Jesus Christ himself.



posted on May, 6 2019 @ 02:19 PM
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Re: mobile.twitter.com...

So what do we have here? Incompetence or a cover-up by Mueller?

I sincerely hope attorney general Barr allows Bob Mueller to testify to Congress.



posted on May, 6 2019 @ 02:42 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

You have a mistaken understanding of what unification actually looks like.

Really? How so?

It's not everyone coming together and singing around the campfire.

This is not my understanding of unification, rather to me it sounds like an old conservative pejorative used to classify anyone they consider to the left of themselves as mindless 'feel gooders''.


Unification is forged in the fire.


I differ here as well. What is forged in fire is totalitarianism. The bending of peoples will by force. This is not how I see unification. Unification to me is people mature enough to understand the need for compromise. Compromise in a world where we all understand where as you say

[quote] Especially when it contains such polar opposites as what we have now, ideologically, throughout the country.


Trump is exposing the evil, vile filth that runs the deep state and the democrat party.


Well bravo for him. Not. Once again it sounds to me as if you are accepting the conservative meme that the dems are the deep state. Not only ''filth'' but ''vile filth''. Really. Vile filth? Here as I stated above I am in disagreement. Sure there are those in that party that are, Biden for instance and certainly Hillery. But to call the entire party ''deep state while not even mentioning the deepstate from the other party is one of the most simplisitic tools of the ''real deep state''.


Those with eyes and a brain will join him to exorcise the demon,
Sounds very religious to me. Almost like that parable those with eyes to see and ears to hear. Simplistic but with a twist. It is a claim that those who believe in Trump have a brain and those who don't ,, don't. Did I mention religious? Sure enough you refer to demons.

even if they don't agree with trump 100% on everything.


The deep state and dems are the largest threat to our nations future at this point in time. They're anti-american in every aspect.


Absolutist rhetoric. Every aspect? Who could get you to believe this.


They don't want a nation to exist at all (no borders).


Not true. Some may but for the most part this is untrue.


They don't value life (late term and even post birth abortion).


I almost don't know how to reply to this. The question of women's rights is a long and complicated issue, but this notion that Dems support ''post birth abortion'' is COMPLETELY LUDICROUS''. If you truly believe this you owe it to yourself to check out that source. You may find one person who said it, which I doubt, but even if you did that is no reason to classify an entire group of people by the words of one idiot.

So, skipping a few of your points that I disagree with as well we come to the Electoral College


They want to abolish the electoral college (which is arguably one of the only reasons the USA came to be).


One of the only reasons the USA came to be? Really.
There were basically two reason the electoral college was put in place. One was so that the political power of larger populations could not smother the political rights of those in less populated areas. This was wise at the time. As well, it was an ''apple'' for those territories far afield to join the union. An enticement. And while I see how important this was it was not envisioned with the growth of population two hundred and two hundred and fifty years later. And why that population growth has happened to such an exaggerated degree is because those allready populated areas were where industial bases were established, not out in rural settings where it would be difficult to find laborers.

The second reason it was established was because some of the founding fathers did not think that the ''common man'' had the ability to govern themselves, that they were not smart enough to do so. To quote you earlier they did not believe that much of the populace had ''they eyes to see or the brains'' to vote wisely. All they could to was to pick a representative and have that person do the ''real voting '' for them.

That's enough for now.



posted on May, 6 2019 @ 03:43 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
If he has nothing to hide then why is he playing petty games with them,

Because it is a lot of fun?



posted on May, 6 2019 @ 03:45 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
The Democrats will structure the questions so it makes it look like Mueller is saying Trump is guilty and will not allow Mueller to clarify that he is not.

ummm... you do realize there are Republicans on that committee too, that will be very sure that the right questions are asked in the right way.



posted on May, 6 2019 @ 03:49 PM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
Are you guys still thinking the Russians didn't interfere and won't be interfering again next year?

Of course, not. I am saying that the Russians likely did not hack the DNC/Podesta for the emails (those were an inside job). The only evidence that the Russians were responsible for that is Brennan and his hand picked lackeys.

Of course Russia ... and China ... and NK ... and many others likely ... are attempting to 'meddle' and always have attempted to 'meddle' in our elections. Been going on forever...

*yawn*




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