Rockets do not work in the vacuum of space. You will believe anything "expert" scientists say.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: turbonium1


What do you suppose happens when a bird stops flapping its wings?

Assuming, of course, that it isn't a soaring bird.

The force is gone, and the bird's mass makes it fall through air, which has far less mass than the bird within the medium.

Simple as that.

a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

Except if you are at geosynchronous altitude and the planet is rotating.

I jest. Reference to a display of ignorance by another member. Along the same lines.

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: turbonium1


What do you suppose happens when a bird stops flapping its wings?

Assuming, of course, that it isn't a soaring bird.

The force is gone, and the bird's mass makes it fall through air, which has far less mass than the bird within the medium.

Simple as that.

whats preventing the bird from continuing to travel in the direction its moving once it stops flapping?

a reply to: turbonium1

and the bird's mass makes it fall through air,

Why? What is it about mass which makes it fall?

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: turbonium1

and as I've told you hundreds of times... gravity holds everything to the ground... including birds and insects

Unfortunately there are about 20 simple concepts that you fail to understand, which we've been over ad nauseum...

the main one in the case of birds being "lift", and air pressure... two concepts you don't learn in homeschooling apparently

IT doesn't matter how YOU actually explain it... its fabricated nonsense, that is nonsense to even the simplest minds... except you of course

SO... birds can fly... gravity doesn't exist... still one of your top 5 most moronic statements

A bird flaps its wings, creating the force required to fly in air. When the bird stops flapping its wings, the force is gone, and the bird falls through the air.

Objects in air have much more mass than air does, that's why objects fall through the air. If a force allows objects to fly within air, they will not fall through the air.

The idea that objects in air are 'pulled down to Earth' is nonsense. It suggests a force exists within the Earth, 'pulling down' objects above Earth's surface. Objects on Earth are supposedly held to the surface, by some sort of massive, powerful force. Which surely requires any opposing force to have even more power, than 'gravity', to break free of this massive force.....


'Gravity' doesn't even resist birds in flying above Earth, how very powerful, those tiny, small creatures must be!!

Everyone who keeps on claiming 'gravity' exists, holds all objects to Earth, pulls all objects above Earth down to the surface, tries to ignore the fact that actual forces offer RESISTANCE to opposing forces. Period.

It's fine to suggest other forces may be found in future, but we have yet to prove those forces actually exist, so far.

But it's ridiculous to suggest a force exists within Earth, that pulls all objects to Earth's surface, and holds them on Earth, when we know there's no force that doesn't resist opposing forces of a little bird, or insect, from flying freely above Earth's surface! That's utter nonsense.

a reply to: turbonium1

You could try and prove your point by jumping off the nearest tall building. Let me know when gravity doesn't pull you to the ground.

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: turbonium1


What do you suppose happens when a bird stops flapping its wings?

Assuming, of course, that it isn't a soaring bird.

The force is gone, and the bird's mass makes it fall through air, which has far less mass than the bird within the medium.

Simple as that.

whats preventing the bird from continuing to travel in the direction its moving once it stops flapping?

Wings flapping are the force birds use to fly in air, and move around in air, so not flapping its wings, removes the force, so it stops traveling, and falls through air. Energy is required to move in air, losing energy stops it. What do you expect it to do, fly around air forever, by some sort of infinite 'momentum'? Sheesh.

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: turbonium1

You could try and prove your point by jumping off the nearest tall building. Let me know when gravity doesn't pull you to the ground.

I know it's a fall through air, but you can try believing things all get 'pulled down' by a magical force, if you wish.

I also know that actual forces offer resistance to opposing forces, but if you choose to believe in fantasy forces, that resist nothing at all, then please, go right ahead.

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: turbonium1


What do you suppose happens when a bird stops flapping its wings?

Assuming, of course, that it isn't a soaring bird.

The force is gone, and the bird's mass makes it fall through air, which has far less mass than the bird within the medium.

Simple as that.

whats preventing the bird from continuing to travel in the direction its moving once it stops flapping?

Wings flapping are the force birds use to fly in air, and move around in air, so not flapping its wings, removes the force, so it stops traveling, and falls through air. Energy is required to move in air, losing energy stops it. What do you expect it to do, fly around air forever, by some sort of infinite 'momentum'? Sheesh.

SHeesh?? LOL

what makes the bird fall through the air?

in fact what makes everything fall straight down?

They showed a rocket in a near death spiral plummeting towards the Earth, but, sadly, they decided to cut it, just before we got to the best part. I sure do hope they show us the rest of their footage, sometime!!

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: turbonium1


What do you suppose happens when a bird stops flapping its wings?

Assuming, of course, that it isn't a soaring bird.

The force is gone, and the bird's mass makes it fall through air, which has far less mass than the bird within the medium.

Simple as that.

whats preventing the bird from continuing to travel in the direction its moving once it stops flapping?

Wings flapping are the force birds use to fly in air, and move around in air, so not flapping its wings, removes the force, so it stops traveling, and falls through air. Energy is required to move in air, losing energy stops it. What do you expect it to do, fly around air forever, by some sort of infinite 'momentum'? Sheesh.

SHeesh?? LOL

what makes the bird fall through the air?

in fact what makes everything fall straight down?

Why wouldn't objects fall straight down through air? Objects have mass, air has very little mass, and that's the reason why objects fall straight down through the air. It's not very hard to figure out.

A falling object can stop falling well before the Earth's surface, what happens when your magical force, that supposedly 'pulls' objects to Earth's surface, doesn't pull them to Earth? It stops working, or something? When an object hits a surface above the ground, it stops falling. It doesn't get 'pulled' through a rooftop, to the Earth, by a fantasy force.


Do you understand how actual forces offer resistance to opposing forces, or wish to deny this reality, for some odd reason, instead?

a reply to: turbonium1

When you throw a brick straight up into the air. What causes the brick to change direction, and fall back to earth?

Newton's First Law

An object at rest stays at rest and an object in motion stays in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force.

www.physicsclassroom.com...

Mass and density are properties of an object. Is that false. They are not forces as in the context of Newton’s first law. Is that false.

So what “force” in the context of Newton’s first law makes a brick thrown straight up into the air change direction, and fall back to earth.

a reply to: turbonium1

Why wouldn't objects fall straight down through air? Objects have mass, air has very little mass, and that's the reason why objects fall straight down through the air. It's not very hard to figure out.

Yes but life outside your dome... or in reality we give names to the forces we experience

So... IF an object falls straight down, there is a force involved... everything resists that force... Even your flat head

this is why we don't float... objects don't just fall randomly... its a force that can be measured

A falling object can stop falling well before the Earth's surface, what happens when your magical force, that supposedly 'pulls' objects to Earth's surface, doesn't pull them to Earth? It stops working, or something? When an object hits a surface above the ground, it stops falling. It doesn't get 'pulled' through a rooftop, to the Earth, by a fantasy force.

actually it does... IF something falls from high enough it will go straight through say a rooftop.

Do you understand how actual forces offer resistance to opposing forces, or wish to deny this reality, for some odd reason, instead?

Don't talk about reality dude... you know nothing of it

You are opposing said force by sitting on your ass right now... you say you can't feel it but we already know your senses are very dull along with your mental capacity as you demonstrate with every post... so don't worry about it

at least you're amusing though

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: turbonium1


What do you suppose happens when a bird stops flapping its wings?

Assuming, of course, that it isn't a soaring bird.

The force is gone, and the bird's mass makes it fall through air, which has far less mass than the bird within the medium.

Simple as that.

whats preventing the bird from continuing to travel in the direction its moving once it stops flapping?

Wings flapping are the force birds use to fly in air, and move around in air, so not flapping its wings, removes the force, so it stops traveling, and falls through air. Energy is required to move in air, losing energy stops it. What do you expect it to do, fly around air forever, by some sort of infinite 'momentum'? Sheesh.

SHeesh?? LOL

what makes the bird fall through the air?

in fact what makes everything fall straight down?

Why wouldn't objects fall straight down through air? Objects have mass, air has very little mass, and that's the reason why objects fall straight down through the air. It's not very hard to figure out.

So why don’t objects fall straight up or straight sideways until they hit something?

Objects have mass, air has little mass. So things should be able to fall in a straight line sideways through the air until something stops them.

Edit: come to think of it, why does the object fall at all? Why doesn’t it just sit in the air. I mean, you claim there is nothing (such as gravity or something like it) that is making the object move toward the Earth, so why would the object move?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

When you throw a brick straight up into the air. What causes the brick to change direction, and fall back to earth?

Newton's First Law

An object at rest stays at rest and an object in motion stays in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force.

www.physicsclassroom.com...

Mass and density are properties of an object. Is that false. They are not forces as in the context of Newton’s first law. Is that false.

So what “force” in the context of Newton’s first law makes a brick thrown straight up into the air change direction, and fall back to earth.

I don't put anything in the context of Newton, who claimed a magical force called 'gravity' existed. Newton's laws assume this force exists, and takes it from there.

But since you accept Newton's first law - in that context, what 'force' makes the brick stop falling? The ground is not a force, right? According to Newton, an object in motion stays in motion unless acted upon by an external force. Since there is no force stopping the brick's motion, how come it stops? The surface of Earth makes it stop, of course, and it is not a force. That's one example proving Newton's first law is wrong. And please don't try to make up another non-existent force in the ground, one is bad enough.

With that, I'll explain why a brick falls back down after it's thrown up into air...

Same as the ground stops the brick, without any force, the brick slows down, stops, and falls back to Earth without any external force acting on it (other than air resistance, of course). I suppose air resistance alone could slow down, and stop the brick in flying up, but there are other factors involved. One is the mass of the brick, the other is the force used to throw the brick into air.

Force may start the brick in motion, upward in air, but force is not infinite, as force is simply directed energy. We know that energy is limited, not infinite, in use.

The force used to throw the brick into air in not unlimited energy, magically applied to the brick, of course. The force is very limited. A brick can be thrown up only a few feet into air, by using less force, or the brick can be thrown up 25 feet into air, by using greater force.

Objects in motion are NOT always in motion, unless acted upon by an external force. A brick in motion stops when it hits the ground, which is not a force.

And the objects themselves are not in motion the exact same way, or have the same speed, or have the exact same level of force applied to them. The brick thrown up 7 feet had less force applied to it than the brick thrown up 25 feet. The only variable was the force used to throw them up.

There was no external force that stopped the bricks at different heights. It was the force used in throwing them up that made them stop going up at different heights.


The energy used to throw up the brick is the factor in how far it goes up, before it slows down, and stops. At that point, the force is gone, and the mass of the brick makes it fall through the air, and back to the surface.

originally posted by: Akragon
So... IF an object falls straight down, there is a force involved... everything resists that force... Even your flat head

this is why we don't float... objects don't just fall randomly... its a force that can be measured

There's no force stopping the object from falling through air, yet it stops, even on your spinning ball head...

Why don't you explain how an object stops falling without an external force acting on it?

originally posted by: Akragon
You are opposing said force by sitting on your ass right now... you say you can't feel it but we already know your senses are very dull along with your mental capacity as you demonstrate with every post... so don't worry about it

at least you're amusing though

Thanks for barfing up more of your superb examples, Mr. Troll.

a reply to: turbonium1

You can't be that stupid...

Nothing will stop an object falling through air... said object will not just stop unless it hits something

what is this miraculous object that just stops mid air?

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People
what makes the bird fall through the air?

in fact what makes everything fall straight down?

So why don’t objects fall straight up or straight sideways until they hit something?

Objects have mass, air has little mass. So things should be able to fall in a straight line sideways through the air until something stops them.

Edit: come to think of it, why does the object fall at all? Why doesn’t it just sit in the air. I mean, you claim there is nothing (such as gravity or something like it) that is making the object move toward the Earth, so why would the object move?

The objects move because they have more mass and density than the medium they are within, which is air.

An object doesn't 'sit' in air, because air is far less dense than the object within it. The object DOES stop falling through air, when it hits a dense surface, like the ground.

The object falls through air because it has more mass and density than air. Objects cannot 'sit' or 'float' in air, they fall through it. No force is needed, and no 'pulling down' force exists. We certainly know how it feels when 'pulled' by something, and we know when we're not 'pulled' by something, as well. We also know when we go against that 'pull' on us, it will RESIST our movement against it. We also know when we are not pulled, we have nothing RESISTING our movements.

Objects do not originate in air, other than clouds, stars, etc. All of these were in place, above Earth, at the time of Earth's creation, so it's like the Earth's creation, we weren't there to see how it was all built. Scientists absolutely despise that they don't know how Earth was created, life was created, and everything else was created, so they decided centuries ago to fool the world into thinking Earth was actually round, not flat. In time, that lie was supported by other lies, such as 'gravity', the greatest lie since the round Earth lie, and even better. It allows them to lie about countless things that need an excuse. The moon is held by 'gravity', while we 'float' between Earth and the moon, in a near 0 gravity. Of course, they never, ever, speak about both of them together, for good reason.

Have they ever mentioned that the moon is held by gravity, while astronauts float in near 0 gravity between the Earth and moon, and how it is a major conflict in 'gravity'? Nobody has ever mentioned the conflict, afaik, anyway.

Having objects 'float' in space, but still near to Earth, is supposed to prove that 'gravity' has almost no effect on objects in space. Only objects near enough to planets, or moons, are effected by the gravity of those planets, or moons.

The problem with that claim is that they also claim the moon is held in place by Earth's gravity. The very same gravity which doesn't effect astronauts much closer to Earth, somehow holds the moon in place, about 250,000 miles away from Earth.

That alone proves gravity is nonsense. Forces pull objects to Earth, hold objects to Earth, let objects 'float' when far enough from Earth.....cannot hold a moon in place, much further away than the objects which 'float' near to Earth.

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: turbonium1

You can't be that stupid...

Nothing will stop an object falling through air... said object will not just stop unless it hits something

what is this miraculous object that just stops mid air?

Are you truly a half-wit, or is it from meds?

I never said an object stops in mid-air, YOU just made that all up, genius!

Are you a blatant liar, or can you quote me saying the above? Which is it, then?