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Rockets do not work in the vacuum of space. You will believe anything "expert" scientists say.

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posted on May, 28 2019 @ 02:41 AM
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a reply to: NicSign

My friend,

You can easily download a satellite tracker app on your smartphone (if you have one). The app "Heavens-Above" is a good one. It will tell you exactly when a lot of satellites and other spacecraft fly over your location and how to view them with your naked eyes. I recommend satellite watching a couple hours after sunset, its when most satellites are still in direct sunlight and you are in the Earths shadow, so the satellites are very bright and visible, and they look like stars sliding across the sky.

Something tells me you won't believe what you see because it would mean the Earth isn't flat.
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posted on May, 28 2019 @ 02:50 AM
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NicSign,

Why have you not responded to me?
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on May, 28 2019 @ 02:58 AM
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originally posted by: NicSign
a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

Satellite tv could just be radio waves. You haven’t provided any unedited footage


Yes, you have. You have been given more than enough evidence.

Satellite TV is broadcast by satellites, and if you weren't so intellectually dishonest you could prove it to yourself very quickly:

www.metabunk.org...-230925

How did those radio waves work on the plane that gave me satellite internet over the sea?
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posted on May, 28 2019 @ 09:36 PM
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a reply to: NicSign

You


When there is an opening to space, the gas moves only in one direction. When there is resistance like an atmosphere, there is back pressure causing has to move back and push the rocket


Below will be two videos linked to. The linked to videos are two different views of the same rocket motor ignition. The model rocket motor by your logic will have all its back pressure removed. The 5 hp ShopVac is hosed up to the exhaust end of an A8-3 rocket motor with a maximum thrust of 10 Newton’s in a Phantom Blue model rocket.

In short, A8-3 rocket motor Vs 5 hp ShopVac. The model rocket powered by the A8-3 pulls away from the “vacuum” of the hose with no hesitation. The maximum 10 Newton’s of thrust kicked the bottom of the 5hp vacuum.



A8-3 Rocket Motor VS 5HP ShopVac



m.youtube.com...




A8-3 Rocket Motor Vs 5HP ShopVac two



m.youtube.com...



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posted on May, 29 2019 @ 04:05 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: NicSign

You


When there is an opening to space, the gas moves only in one direction. When there is resistance like an atmosphere, there is back pressure causing has to move back and push the rocket


Below will be two videos linked to. The linked to videos are two different views of the same rocket motor ignition. The model rocket motor by your logic will have all its back pressure removed. The 5 hp ShopVac is hosed up to the exhaust end of an A8-3 rocket motor with a maximum thrust of 10 Newton’s in a Phantom Blue model rocket.

In short, A8-3 rocket motor Vs 5 hp ShopVac. The model rocket powered by the A8-3 pulls away from the “vacuum” of the hose with no hesitation. The maximum 10 Newton’s of thrust kicked the bottom of the 5hp vacuum.



A8-3 Rocket Motor VS 5HP ShopVac



m.youtube.com...




A8-3 Rocket Motor Vs 5HP ShopVac two



m.youtube.com...




Stop wasting your time bud, it's a YouTube troll. He makes money off clicks and enjoys pissing people off.

Sad existence really.



posted on May, 29 2019 @ 04:38 AM
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a reply to: 8675309jenny

He has identical threads on at least two other forums that I know of.



posted on May, 29 2019 @ 05:41 AM
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a reply to: 8675309jenny

It’s also sad individuals are not on ATS for honest debate and digging to the truth, but for a marketing ploy. I didn’t like loading the videos up to YouTube, but I didn’t know how else to link to them.



posted on May, 29 2019 @ 04:03 PM
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Damn. A two dozen page thread to discuss whether or not rockets work in space.

:popcorn:

Yes, rockets work in space. Those satellites have to move around somehow, no? Also, what could be gained by lying about something like that?

Curious.



posted on May, 29 2019 @ 06:20 PM
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a reply to: neutronflux

So you think a shop vac has enough power to stop a rocket?. Lol



posted on May, 29 2019 @ 06:30 PM
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a reply to: 8675309jenny

Try using a vacuum chamber with a CO2 car that doesn’t pressurize the chamber. A rocket instantly pressurizes a small chamber. You would need a room sized vacuum with multiple pumps to maintain vacuum



posted on May, 29 2019 @ 06:43 PM
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a reply to: NicSign


The argument was the lack of back pressure would keep a rocket from thrusting forward.

The horsepower rating of the vacuum at 5HP should far outperform the A8-3 rocket motor’s 10.70 newtons of max thrust (2.4 pounds) and rated total impulse on 2.5 newton seconds.

What’s the rough conversation of 10 Newton’s to hp,

Strange the rocket without hesitation took off with no “back pressure” and a 5 hp motor that should move gasses away from the rocket exhaust more forcibly that what the rocket can produce in thrust.



posted on May, 29 2019 @ 07:10 PM
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originally posted by: NicSign
a reply to: 8675309jenny

Try using a vacuum chamber with a CO2 car that doesn’t pressurize the chamber. A rocket instantly pressurizes a small chamber. You would need a room sized vacuum with multiple pumps to maintain vacuum


Concerning the A8-3 rocket motor vs 5HP shopvac.

To start with. The shopvac was drawing gasses away with a 5 hp motor from a rocket motor that only produces a max thrust of 10 Newton’s. The small rocket pressured a shopvac drawing a constant vacuum, constantly removing air and gas from the 5 gallon volume of the shopvac? Don’t think so.

What are your quotes?


If the gas pushes on the wall as it is expanding to low pressure, when the wind blows on the back of your head, the air in front of you would push off your face as it moves away from you. But it doesn’t
www.abovetopsecret.com...




Rockets require external resistance, like an atmosphere to push off of. The rocket does not give its exhaust momentum, the momentum is given by pressure gradient force.
www.abovetopsecret.com...




it can't because immediately outside the rocket is space so pressure cannot build. Unless rockets can pressurize space. But space is allegedly the deepest vacuum
www.abovetopsecret.com...


How can a small model rocket engine that only produces a maximum thrust of 10 Newtons overcome a 5 HP shopvac motor with the shopvac robbing the rocket motor of back pressure, and constantly sucking from the 5 gallon surge volume of the shopvac.


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posted on May, 29 2019 @ 11:25 PM
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originally posted by: NicSign
a reply to: 8675309jenny

Try using a vacuum chamber with a CO2 car that doesn’t pressurize the chamber. A rocket instantly pressurizes a small chamber. You would need a room sized vacuum with multiple pumps to maintain vacuum


By the time the chamber has any pressure the rocket has already moved. What was it pushing against to move? Your argument, as usual, is false.



posted on May, 30 2019 @ 07:41 AM
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a reply to: neutronflux

But obviously it doesn’t displace the gas as you say because you can see the smoke



posted on May, 30 2019 @ 07:45 AM
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a reply to: NicSign

Give it up. Bored now.



posted on May, 30 2019 @ 08:23 AM
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originally posted by: NicSign
a reply to: neutronflux

But obviously it doesn’t displace the gas as you say because you can see the smoke


And you see the smoke come out the vent of the shopvac too.

The rocket thrusted way from the shopvac hose instantly when the motor ignited. The growing distance away from the hose let the rocket exhaust slip around the hose inlet.

You didn’t answer to:
How can a small model rocket engine that only produces a maximum thrust of 10 Newtons overcome a 5 HP shopvac motor with the shopvac robbing the rocket motor of back pressure, and constantly sucking from the 5 gallon surge volume of the shopvac.

Then you ignored OneBigMonkeyToo simple and brilliant reply concerning a rocket in a pressure chamber.


originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: 8675309jenny


By the time the chamber has any pressure the rocket has already moved. What was it pushing against to move? Your argument, as usual, is false.


May take about three or four weeks to get all the supplies. But I am planning to use a smaller rocket with a smaller rocket motor with a thrust of only 5 Newtons in a clear capped off PVC pipe with the shopvac drawing a “vacuum”. I bet even with the lack of “back pressure”, the rocket takes of like. Well. You know. Like a rocket.
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posted on May, 30 2019 @ 08:27 AM
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a reply to: NicSign

And if you don’t like that result, I’ll wait a few weeks and get a better shopvac. A win win for me.



posted on May, 30 2019 @ 12:29 PM
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Below is a great thread where an individual with the screen name JayUtah, and others, completely destroyed the arguments by a person posting as Gingervytes. Gingervytes is proven wrong at every turn, is debunked at every turn, Gingervytes Proof was proven wrong, Gingervytes never provides any credible evidence to back their claims, and it was shown Gingervytes had no credibility.



Merged: Rockets cannot propel in the vacuum of space.

www.internationalskeptics.com...

Post by” JayUtah

“Originally Posted by Gingervytes View Post
The rocket doesn’t push the gas out. The gas moves out due to pressure gradient force. That’s the false ASSUMPTION made.”


No, it is not assumed -- it is observed and measured. The de Laval nozzle dates back to Victorian times, used in steam turbine engines. The pressure "gradient" is converted to velocity, which is expressed in your equation as Ve.

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No one here can demonstrate that there is an equal and opposite force from gas movement due to pressure gradient force.”


I already pointed out that your derivation of the "pressure gradient force" was in error because you wrongly conflated two concepts in the derivation of the rocket equation. You did not address that. Before you claim that no one has refuted you, you must address the posts in which they do just that.


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posted on May, 30 2019 @ 05:28 PM
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Let's come back down to Earth here for a moment, and hopefully we can settle this silly argument once and for all...

OP, do you see the following picture??



This is a picture of a water jet propulsion system known as a 'jet drive' on a boat. It's a real boat, and it's running on a river here on Earth. (for the record, the boat is running on a river in south Vietnam. the picture was taken in 1968.)

Do you see it?

Okay, notice a couple things about this picture; first, the hull (bottom) of the boat is actually BELOW the drive. So, the drive has nothing to push against. The air isn't dense enough to resist the water coming out from the jet. Second, because the jet isn't in the water, the water coming out of the jet can't push against the water. So, what is the water the water jet pushing against to make the boat go 45mph through the water?

Answer: it's pushing against the boat. The pressure of the water coming out of the jet is pushing against the mass of the boat and propelling the boat forward. Now, if you saw this same picture with the boat traveling at slow speed I'm sure you would say the jet was pushing against the water (as you've alluded to with rockets and air). However, that's not what's happening. The majority of the thrust from the jet pushes directly opposite of its directional vector (i.e. against the boat, not the water). Consequently, when the boat reaches higher speeds, like in the picture, it's not even touching the water for the boat to achieve rapid forward velocities.

Sir Isaac Newton lived from 1643 to 1727. He was a pretty bright fellow. You should read up on him.

Take care.



posted on May, 30 2019 @ 05:28 PM
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Let's come back down to Earth here for a moment, and hopefully we can settle this silly argument once and for all...

OP, do you see the following picture??



This is a picture of a water jet propulsion system known as a 'jet drive' on a boat. It's a real boat, and it's running on a river here on Earth. (for the record, the boat is running on a river in south Vietnam. the picture was taken in 1968.)

Do you see it?

Okay, notice a couple things about this picture; first, the hull (bottom) of the boat is actually BELOW the drive. So, the drive has nothing to push against. The air isn't dense enough to resist the water coming out from the jet. Second, because the jet isn't in the water, the water coming out of the jet can't push against the water. So, what is the water the water jet pushing against to make the boat go 45mph through the water?

Answer: it's pushing against the boat. The pressure of the water coming out of the jet is pushing against the mass of the boat and propelling the boat forward. Now, if you saw this same picture with the boat traveling at slow speed I'm sure you would say the jet was pushing against the water (as you've alluded to with rockets and air). However, that's not what's happening. The majority of the thrust from the jet pushes directly opposite of its directional vector (i.e. against the boat, not the water). Consequently, when the boat reaches higher speeds, like in the picture, it's not even touching the water for the boat to achieve rapid forward velocities.

Sir Isaac Newton lived from 1643 to 1727. He was a pretty bright fellow. You should read up on him.

Take care.







 
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