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Rockets do not work in the vacuum of space. You will believe anything "expert" scientists say.

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posted on May, 12 2019 @ 10:53 AM
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a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

is the gas part of the rocket? Then why does it leave so easily? Why don't you have to break apart the gas from the rocket?




posted on May, 12 2019 @ 11:45 AM
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a reply to: NicSign

Civilians have been heavily involved in rocketry since its birth. Civilians have even been the biggest drivers of rocketry at times. Rocketry is a sound science. The latest technology applied to humankind’s desire to launch from earth to explore. There is zero reason to lie about rockets working in the vacuum of space, with every indication rocketry is a sound science.

Sorry. You come off as ignorant, with no credible argument defending something thrown in the forum that is the trash bin of a conspiracy site.

Please stop making the “L” for loser stamp on your forehead bigger and bigger. You have lost all credibility.



posted on May, 12 2019 @ 11:50 AM
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a reply to: NicSign

Read the linked to article and create a intelligent argument.


www.straightdope.com...

How do rockets work in the vacuum of space?
A STAFF REPORT FROM THE STRAIGHT DOPE SCIENCE ADVISORY BOARD


October 26, 2000


Or just shut up.



posted on May, 12 2019 @ 03:23 PM
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a reply to: neutronflux

or you could provide actual proof of an equal and opposite force from gas movement due to pressure gradient force.



posted on May, 12 2019 @ 04:25 PM
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originally posted by: NicSign
a reply to: neutronflux

or you could provide actual proof of an equal and opposite force from gas movement due to pressure gradient force.


History is full of them, hence why this thread is in LOL



Third-party evidence for Apollo Moon landings

en.m.wikipedia.org...

Apollo missions tracked by independent parties

Aside from NASA, a number of entities and individuals observed, through various means, the Apollo missions as they took place. On later missions, NASA released information to the public explaining where third party observers could expect to see the various craft at specific times according to scheduled launch times and planned trajectories.[5]


Observers of all missions
The Soviet Union monitored the missions at their Space Transmissions Corps, which was "fully equipped with the latest intelligence-gathering and surveillance equipment."[6] Vasily Mishin, in an interview for the article "The Moon Programme That Faltered," describes how the Soviet Moon programme dwindled after the Apollo landing.[7]

The missions were tracked by radar from several countries on the way to the Moon and back.[8]


Kettering Grammar School

A group at Kettering Grammar School, using simple radio equipment, monitored Soviet and U.S. spacecraft and calculated their orbits.[9][10] According to the group, in December 1972 a member "picks up Apollo 17 on its way to the Moon".[11]

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posted on May, 12 2019 @ 04:27 PM
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a reply to: NicSign

Now the article


How do rockets work in the vacuum of space?
A STAFF REPORT FROM THE STRAIGHT DOPE SCIENCE ADVISORY BOARD

en.m.wikipedia.org...


Now, please quote from the article which you believe is a lie with supporting evidence.
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posted on May, 12 2019 @ 04:43 PM
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originally posted by: NicSign
a reply to: neutronflux

or you could provide actual proof of an equal and opposite force from gas movement due to pressure gradient force.


Ok, let’s try this.

Is it true a shotgun kicking a person in the shoulder would be an example of Newton’s third law.



For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
www.physicsclassroom.com...


Or mathematical


en.m.wikipedia.org...

if one object A exerts a force FA on a second object B, then B simultaneously exerts a force FB on A, and the two forces are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction: FA = −FB.


In other words, problems concerning the third law can be solved strictly in terms of net force. Is that false. The third law mathematical doesn’t give a crap about “pressure gradient”. Just net forces.

Does the sudden release of a high pressure gas from a container on a small satellite in the vacuum of space result in “equal and opposite reactions” that allow the satellite to be repositioned. Yes.
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posted on May, 12 2019 @ 04:49 PM
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a reply to: neutronflux

well since you can't prove an equal and opposite force from gas movement due to pressure gradient force, it doesn't exist. No matter how much you assert that it does, until you have evidence it is a lie.



posted on May, 12 2019 @ 04:50 PM
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a reply to: neutronflux

again third party verification is hearsay. You still can't prove rockets in space



posted on May, 12 2019 @ 04:50 PM
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originally posted by: roadgravel

originally posted by: mikell
a reply to: roadgravel

I second the nomination but give points for persistence!!




Demonstrating the ability to stay ignorant isn't something to take pride in though. Well at least for most people.


There's a stable full of Google and Amazon emplouees that would say otherwise. A race to the bottom, is still a race lol.

Cheers - Dave



posted on May, 12 2019 @ 06:12 PM
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originally posted by: NicSign
a reply to: neutronflux

well since you can't prove an equal and opposite force from gas movement due to pressure gradient force, it doesn't exist. No matter how much you assert that it does, until you have evidence it is a lie.


What are you on?
Please cite where in the hell Newton’s third law gives a rip about “pressure gradient force”.

Knock yourself out.
From NASA General Thrust Equation l


www.grc.nasa.gov...


F = (m dot * V)e - (m dot * V)0 + (pe - p0) * Ae


Thrust is the force which moves a rocket through the air, or through space. Thrust is generated by the propulsion system of the rocket.

How is thrust generated?

Thrust is a mechanical force which is generated through the reaction of accelerating a mass of gas, as explained by Newton's third law of motion. A gas or working fluid is accelerated to the rear and the engine and rocket are accelerated in the opposite direction. To accelerate the gas, we need some kind of propulsion system. We will discuss the details of various propulsion systems on some other pages. For right now, let us just think of the propulsion system as some machine which accelerates a gas.



Would you care to define how you are using “pressure gradient force”



posted on May, 12 2019 @ 06:18 PM
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originally posted by: NicSign
a reply to: neutronflux

again third party verification is hearsay. You still can't prove rockets in space


How is actually longing spacecraft flight paths through radar hearsay. I guess by your dysfunctional logic Air Traffic Controllers control air traffic and prevent collisions through hearsay.

It’s all one big lie is your only “evidence”.

You’re an idiot.
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posted on May, 12 2019 @ 10:33 PM
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a reply to: neutronflux

Tell me where it say there is an equal and opposite force from gas movement due to pressure gradient force.



posted on May, 12 2019 @ 10:35 PM
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a reply to: neutronflux

What radar. What evidence?



posted on May, 12 2019 @ 10:36 PM
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a reply to: neutronflux

Pressure gradient force. Not a hard concept en.m.wikipedia.org...



posted on May, 12 2019 @ 11:40 PM
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originally posted by: NicSign
a reply to: neutronflux

Pressure gradient force. Not a hard concept en.m.wikipedia.org...


It’s not a hard concept. But you don’t seem to grasp what it means. You can’t grasp the idea that the high pressure is inside the rocket engine, thus it’s a part of the rocket engine.

As the fuel burns inside a rocket, a great amount of pressure builds up inside that rocket (as you keep telling us, a high pressure gradient.

That great pressure pushes the burning rocket fuel through the rocket nozzle with a tremendous force. That tremendous force is obvious when you see that burning fuel racing out the nozzle.

Because that high pressure is inside the rocket, it is part of the rocket...i.e., it is the part of the rocket doing the work of pushing that burning fuel out the back.

And as we know from simple experience, when something is pushed, an opposite reaction occurs. If you throw (push through the air away from you) a bowling ball, your body tends to push backward in the opposite direction. The harder you throw that bowling ball, the greater the opposite direction reaction of your body.

So just like using your arms to throw the bowling ball away from you, the pressure part of the rocket pushes the burning fuel. The greater the pressure, the more force through the nozzle. And the greater the force through the nozzle, the greater the opposite force will be up inside that rocket engine.



posted on May, 13 2019 @ 12:21 AM
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a reply to: NicSign

You haven't proved that it is pressure gradient moving a rocket. Until you do, your claim is a lie.



posted on May, 13 2019 @ 12:25 AM
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a reply to: NicSign

YouTube videos are just hearsay. They don't count as evidence. Provide some first hand proof of your claims.

See how this works? Every handwaving dismissal you make of anything that proves your claim to be false can easily be applied to you.

Stood behind a rocket yet? Did the air shelter you from the burn?



posted on May, 13 2019 @ 03:38 AM
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a reply to: NicSign

Here are two sources cited explaining how rockets work and mathematical defining thrust.



How do rockets work in the vacuum of space?
A STAFF REPORT FROM THE STRAIGHT DOPE SCIENCE ADVISORY BOARD
www.straightdope.com...


From NASA General Thrust Equation


Thrust is the force which moves a rocket through the air, or through space. Thrust is generated by the propulsion system of the rocket.
www.grc.nasa.gov...


Would you like to quote where the two cited sources are false. I couldn’t find the word “gradient” on either source. Did find lots on Newton’s Third Law and Second law of motion, thrust, and seeing the laws solved in terms other than “pressure gradient force”

Again. I want YOU to define “pressure gradient force”, how you are applying it to rockets, and explain why my cited sources on rockets are in terms of Newton’s laws of motion not “pressure gradient force”.

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posted on May, 13 2019 @ 03:40 AM
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originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: NicSign

You haven't proved that it is pressure gradient moving a rocket. Until you do, your claim is a lie.




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