Originally posted by edsinger
Least not forget ol Josephus shall we? This whole argument is crap and almost everyone here knows it, they might not be a follower but they know that
a man with that name did live in those times and left one heck of a legacy for sure.....the most any 'man' ever did by far.....
But I also would count myself in the "He is my God" crowd and I will not be one bit ashamed to state it...even at work.
Josephus is NO EVIDENCE for Jesus :
Josephus (Flavianus) wrote Jewish Antiquities which nowadays contains a famous passage (the Testamonium Flavianum), which is not considered reliable
evidence by most (non-Christian) scholars.
Josephus could not possibly have called Jesus the Christ - it flies in the face of his Jewish beliefs and the very theme of the book (which was about
how there WAS no Messiah.)
Josephus spent whole pages on minor criminals (debunking any claims to be Christ) yet supposedly wrote a tiny passage about this allegedly most
signficant character and events.
The passage INTERRUPTS the flow of the book, if it is removed, the chapter flows smoothly.
About a century later Origen comments that Josephus did not call Jesus the Christ - this, and other differences is CLEAR EVIDENCE that Origen's
copy is not like our current copy - i.e. it has been TAMPERED with.
There are various versions of the passage, each are unlikely to have been written by Josephus - it was almost certainly inserted centuries later by
Eusebius (whose copy of Josephus is the first to show this passage).
In other words - the Josephus passage at BEST has been tampered with, or at worst is a total FORGERY by Christians.
And this is the BEST EVIDENCE the Christians have - evidence that has clearly been tampered with or even FORGED outright.
This should one pause about how shaky the alleged "evidence" is.
not long ago "everyone knew" the world was the immovable center of the universe - but they were WRONG weren't they?
But how long did it take the church to admit they were WRONG?
Most people believe Jesus existed because everyone else believes Jesus existed, because their parents etc. believed Jesus existed, because their
parents believed ... all the way back to when NOT believing in Jesus got you BURNED at the stake !
The fact that Jesus is a myth is an idea whose time has come - the deadweight of close-minded believers such as yourself will only slow down the
inevitable - but increasingly more and more scholars and people are coming to realise its all a story, legends, and myths...
You can PREACH all you want,
but when you are ready to deal with the FACTS,
you will find there is NO CONTEMPORARY EVIDENCE for Jesus at all.
I encourage readers here to CHECK the facts for yourselves -
go FIND out how reliable Josephus is :