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California sends bill requiring presidential candidates' tax returns to governor's desk

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posted on May, 4 2019 @ 07:16 PM
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a reply to: DanDanDat

What's wrong with having to show a birth certificate? I don't care if we're talking about Democrats or Republicans, transparency shouldn't be a partisan issue.

On the flip side of what you said, it also seems the only people that are fighting this are fighting it because of Donald Trump.




posted on May, 4 2019 @ 07:20 PM
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I am not sure if it is legal for them to require returns to be on the state ballot.

I know requirements are not the same in each state so they do have some say. They may need to go to court to settle it.



posted on May, 4 2019 @ 07:21 PM
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I don't think it will matter to Trump, because I don't think anyone is going to primary him.



posted on May, 4 2019 @ 07:22 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn


Wanting more transparency" has nothing to do with it. Don't sidestep the constitution for vindictive political bull#.


You're right, this is vindictive political BS from me. What you're wrong about is it being partisan. This vindictive political BS is vindictive towards politicians, all politicians. On every side. We should never be for less transparency regardless of who we're talking about.

If it was up to me they would all be subject to way more stringent standards before they are allowed to represent us in any fashion. And probably some sort of public flogging.



posted on May, 4 2019 @ 07:23 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: DanDanDat

What's wrong with having to show a birth certificate? I don't care if we're talking about Democrats or Republicans, transparency shouldn't be a partisan issue.

On the flip side of what you said, it also seems the only people that are fighting this are fighting it because of Donald Trump.


"What's wrong with having to show a birth certificate?" ... in a vacuum, there is absolutely nothing wrong with having to show a birth certificat or a tax return.

During the 2004, 2008, 2016 and 2020 presidential elections those seemingly unimportant and mundane requests are being used to distract the American people... there is definitely something wrong with that.

Added:


On the flip side of what you said, it also seems the only people that are fighting this are fighting it because of Donald Trump.


On the flip flip side it seems the only people that are champions of this are doing it because of Donald Trump.

My question would be; why is Donald Trump so important that people are making new laws up just for him and other people are fighting it just for him?
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posted on May, 4 2019 @ 07:23 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
I don't think it will matter to Trump, because I don't think anyone is going to primary him.



Google Bill Weld, please.



posted on May, 4 2019 @ 07:26 PM
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originally posted by: DanDanDat

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: DanDanDat

What's wrong with having to show a birth certificate? I don't care if we're talking about Democrats or Republicans, transparency shouldn't be a partisan issue.

On the flip side of what you said, it also seems the only people that are fighting this are fighting it because of Donald Trump.


"What's wrong with having to show a birth certificate?" ... in a vacuum, there is absolutely nothing wrong with having to show a birth certificat or a tax return.

During the 2004, 2008, 2016 and 2020 presidential elections those seemingly unimportant and mundane requests are being used to distract the American people... there is definitely something wrong with that.


Maybe people shouldn't be so easily distracted.




posted on May, 4 2019 @ 07:28 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I think it takes more than "self declaring" to get the Republican party to let you run under their platform in a presidential primary, against their incumbent, the sitting president.

I could be wrong, I don't see Bill Weld as a contender.



posted on May, 4 2019 @ 07:30 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

I'd agree with that



posted on May, 4 2019 @ 07:32 PM
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a reply to: LDragonFire

Well then, it is time for other States to dismiss anyone running against their political ideology also.

This next Presidential Campaign may actually draw a line in the sand. If states are going to dismiss other states candidates, because of pure political bias and nothing more, then it only seems right that other States make their own laws about who should run for President.


ETA. The SCOTUS would never allow it.
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posted on May, 4 2019 @ 07:37 PM
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My question would be; why is Donald Trump so important that people are making new laws up just for him and other people are fighting it just for him?


Because he, himself fights transparency at every turn. Any politician that does that is going to raise suspicion. Especially amongst their rivals.



posted on May, 4 2019 @ 07:39 PM
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Slippery slope! As I read in Newsweek if they start down this path what’s to stop conservative states from changing the age requirement or any other election law to prevent a Democrat from running on their state ballot. Just another example of the Dems not thinking of future consequences.
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posted on May, 4 2019 @ 07:39 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

This isn't a good argument for sidestepping the constitution.



posted on May, 4 2019 @ 07:39 PM
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if trump is kept off the ballot.

I wonder if the results can be declared void at the federal level ?

Majority of the states trying to pass this law or state Hillary won anyway .

Personally after all the audits in the past. I think trumps tax returns are fairly clean. He’s just been waiting for the right time .



posted on May, 4 2019 @ 07:39 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

More then 2/3 of the current crop of Democrats who are declared aren't real contenders either.

Republicans don't run things like the Democrats. They don't pick their nominees by gaming the system. If they did, Donald Trump wouldn't be the president.



posted on May, 4 2019 @ 07:40 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: DanDanDat


My question would be; why is Donald Trump so important that people are making new laws up just for him and other people are fighting it just for him?


Because he, himself fights transparency at every turn. Any politician that does that is going to raise suspicion. Especially amongst their rivals.


He does?

Huh, how many times could he have legitimately declared Executive Privilege for things in the Mueller Report, and yet, he didn't, not once. Nah, that was Obama's style, Executive Privilege. I'll bet you still think Obama was more transparent because he simply told you he was going to have the most transparent administration ever.



posted on May, 4 2019 @ 07:41 PM
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Almost all polititions I know of fights transparency; so your response really doesn't answer my question.



posted on May, 4 2019 @ 07:43 PM
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Republicans don't run things like the Democrats. They don't pick their nominees by gaming the system. If they did, Donald Trump wouldn't be the president.


Oh Really? LOL

Ron Paul? Anyone?

If Weld makes the Republic primary ticket, and the Republican Party dishes out for a primary, I'll do something personally embarrassing here on ATS! Suggestions considered....

What about you? Will you bet your ATS dignity on Weld making the ticket?


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posted on May, 4 2019 @ 07:43 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: underwerks
Why would anyone be for less transparency?


Why would anyone object to a political party using the power of their positions (and our tax dollars) to intrude into someone's personal life for their own political gain?

Really?

Let's see how you feel about it with the Obama sh##show coming up.



I believe any person who wants to work in the government as a public servant (President, Congress etc) should have to show way more than just a tax return. If you aren't ready for your life to be an open book you shouldn't be representing us in any fashion.

If there's nothing to hide, what's to worry about? Public servants should have to be completely honest with the people they serve.


So when people run for office, you would be quite fine with them losing their rights as an American citizen.

How totalitarian of you...

I can see how that would work for Democrats though, since their base could care less about the activities of their elected officials as long as they get the promise of free stuff.

As far as your "nothing to hide" premise, you and I both know that's BS.

You are quite willing to go that route because a complicit media will under-report or just cover up any Democratic issues with the candidate.

For instance, now that Biden is running for President have you noticed how many news organizations are talking about his son? The one who was kicked out of the Navy for failing a urinalysis (co.caine), went home, had a year-long affair with his dead brother's wife before he kicked his current wife and kids to the curb and married the widow?

Read anything about his year-long binge burning through his wife and kids funds with prostitutes, drugs and strip joints to the point where they could no longer pay the bills?

No?

How about his daughter... in and out of rehab, multiple arrests for drug use and a total nutjob?

How about CNN's breathless reporting of the millions and millions and millions of dollars his son got from the Chinese government?

Joe said just the other day that China is not a threat to the US... how much did he get paid for that?

Then there is the REAL scandal of Joe getting a Ukrainian AG fired because that AG was investigating the shady dealings by his son in the Ukraine? Literally telling officials in the Ukraine that if they didn't fire the guy, Joe was going to withhold FOREIGN AID to the country.

See where all that is in the news?

But let's see where the real action is... Democratic leadership in the House subpoenaing Tiffany Trump's debit card records from when she was 22, subpoenaing credit card records from people who stayed in any of Trump's hotels so they can see if they charged porn, what they ate, etc...

So yea... if it can possibly help your ideology, transparency is great!

Again, I look forward to your comments the next 18 months on the issue of privacy.




posted on May, 4 2019 @ 07:43 PM
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If we have to show ID to vote presidential candidates should have to show tax returns


^ridiculous nonsense.

OP - None of the states that implement these rules are in play anyway. Democrats sreaming in their own sh*thole echo chambers. I think it would be great for Trump not to be on the ballot in places like California. Regardless, the SC will strike down such demands from the states in a federal election.



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