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posted on May, 5 2019 @ 09:36 AM
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a reply to: CynConcepts


President Trump reacted negatively to the Special Counsel's appointment. He told advisors that it was the end of his presidency, sought to have Attorney General Jefferson (Jeff) Sessions unrecuse from the Russia investigation and to have the Special Counsel removed, and engaged in efforts to curtail the Special Counsel's investigation and prevent the disclosure of evidence to it, including through public and private contacts with potential witnesses. Those and related actions are described and analyzed in Volume II of the report.
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Third, the investigation established that several individuals affiliated with the Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and to Congress, about their interactions with Russian-affiliated individuals and related matters. Those lies materially impaired the investigation of Russian election interference. The Office charged some of those lies as violations of the federal false statements statute. Former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying about his interactions with Russian Ambassador Kislyak during the transition period. George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy advisor during the campaign period, pleaded guilty to lying to investigators about, inter alia, the nature and timing of his interactions with Joseph Mifsud, the professor who told Papadopoulos that the Russians had dirt on candidate Clinton in the form of thousands of emails. Former Trump Organization attorney Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to making false statements to Congress about the Trump Moscow project. [Redacted: Harm to Ongoing Matter] And in February 2019, the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia found that Manafort lied to the Office and the grand jury concerning his interactions and communications with Konstantin Kilimnik about Trump Campaign polling data and a peace plan for Ukraine.

Even when individuals testified or agreed to be interviewed, they sometimes provided information that was false or incomplete, leading to some of the false-statements charges described above.

Further, the Office learned that some of the individuals we interviewed or whose conduct we investigated—including some associated with the Trump Campaign—deleted relevant communications or communicated during the relevant period using applications that feature encryption or that do not provide for long-term retention of data or communications records. In such cases, the Office was not able to corroborate witness statements through comparison to contemporaneous communications or fully question witnesses about statements that appeared inconsistent with other known facts.
Accordingly, while this report embodies factual and legal determinations that the Office believes to be accurate and complete to the greatest extent possible, given these identified gaps, the Office cannot rule out the possibility that the unavailable information would shed additional light on (or cast in a new light) the events described in the report.

- EXECUTIVE SUMMARY TO VOLUME I -




posted on May, 5 2019 @ 09:41 AM
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a reply to: pthena

Why aren't Democrats in a hurry to summon the horse's mouth (Bob Mueller) to testify?

Nadler said 10 days ago, they're in "negotiations" with Mueller.

Mueller isn't hard to get, if you really want him. His boss (Barr) has testified 3 times.



posted on May, 5 2019 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha



So, people who assert there innocence should be able to bribe key figures, manipulate the system and have a say in who is investigating them, and order their staffers/employees to falsify evidence?

Hey, it worked for Chris Christie.
1) Choose a fall gal
2) Bribe other witnesses with future positions.
3) Hey Presto! The other witnesses have nice positions in the Trump administration.



posted on May, 5 2019 @ 09:59 AM
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a reply to: carewemust



Why aren't Democrats in a hurry to summon the horse's mouth (Bob Mueller) to testify?

I thought they were.

Scenario: Barr says to congress, "Sure, I have no objection to Mueller testifying."
then he gets back to his office, calls Mueller, "Under no circumstances are you to testify."

I have no reason to believe Barr.



posted on May, 5 2019 @ 10:03 AM
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lol, Mueller no longer reports to the AG. The AG has no authority over him. Mueller could;

- give CNN/MSNBC interviews
- testify in front of House/Senate
- write an op ed on his SC experience
- have a town hall open to citizens

More likely, writing a book. $



posted on May, 5 2019 @ 11:06 AM
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a reply to: PilSungMtnMan



lol, Mueller no longer reports to the AG.

What date did he leave the DOJ?



posted on May, 5 2019 @ 11:12 AM
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originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: PilSungMtnMan



lol, Mueller no longer reports to the AG.

What date did he leave the DOJ?


He is still officially a part of DOJ. I stand corrected. DOJ must give permission for him to testify. If they do not, I will be first to cry “foul”.
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posted on May, 5 2019 @ 11:19 AM
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originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: carewemust



Why aren't Democrats in a hurry to summon the horse's mouth (Bob Mueller) to testify?

I thought they were.

Scenario: Barr says to congress, "Sure, I have no objection to Mueller testifying."
then he gets back to his office, calls Mueller, "Under no circumstances are you to testify."

I have no reason to believe Barr.

But that isnt what happened at all...

Lol

You people are really stretching the truth this time....

Lol

Mueller is in "talks" to testify before Congress but the angry Democrats haven't been able to "nail" anything down yet....

Lol

Barr has testified 3 times already....

Mueller doesnt want to testify because Republicans get to ask questions too.....

Lol



posted on May, 5 2019 @ 11:24 AM
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Mueller has to simply say what was in his report.

Period.

If he differs from his report, then he either lied in the report or he's lying now.

So Mueller testifying, meh. He's running the risk of perjuring himself.



posted on May, 5 2019 @ 11:27 AM
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a reply to: PilSungMtnMan

While he may still officially be listed as part of the DOJ, his role is all but complete:


Mueller, who spent 674 days on the investigation before handing a 400 page report to attorney general William Barr, “will be concluding his service within the coming days,” DOJ spokesman Peter Carr told Quartz today. A “small staff remains to assist in closing the operations of the office,” Carr said. He said he didn’t have more information on what day, exactly, Mueller would depart, or whether his departure could coincide with Barr’s promise to distribute a redacted version of the report before mid-April.
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And while any contract Mueller signed with the Department of Justice to conduct the investigation is unlikely to have a specific non-disclosure agreement that prevents him from discussing the investigation publicly at all, he’s still ethically prohibited from divulging privileged information, such as information about the internal workings of the executive branch that is normally protected from disclosure by the common law principle known as “deliberative process privilege,” or anything that came from grand jury testimony. Carr didn’t respond to questions about Mueller’s plans after he departs, or whether he would be able to speak freely about the non-classified parts of the investigation.


Robert Mueller will be leaving the Department of Justice in “coming days” - Quartz

I am interested in what he has to say if he should appear before any congressional committees and hope that he does indeed make such appearances.



posted on May, 5 2019 @ 12:22 PM
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Just like that. 5/15 Mueller going to the House.



posted on May, 5 2019 @ 12:23 PM
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But that isnt what happened at all...

Perhaps you didn't read the Flood letter to Barr that is the topic of this thread.
In short: The WH is instructing AG to engage in a total non-cooperation with Congress; no docs, no witnesses.

As noted by jadedANDcynical two posts below, Mueller is still in DOJ employ as of April 5

April 26 Time reports:
Democrats Want Robert Mueller to Testify. It's Still Not Clear When—Or If—That Will Happen

Rep. Jerrold Nadler, chair of the House Judiciary Committee, sent a letter to Mueller on April 18, the day Attorney General William Barr released a redacted version of the report, requesting that Mueller testify no later than May 23.
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Legal theorists who advocate for an expansive view of executive power are likely to argue that as long as Mueller remains at the Department of Justice, Trump—as the head of the executive branch—would have the power to prevent Mueller from testifying if he wants to. But two attorneys who have worked in Congress on legal issues involving power struggles between the executive and legislative branches said the President and his lawyers would have a hard time asserting executive privilege to block Mueller’s testimony, especially if he is not planning on discussing the redacted components of the report.



posted on May, 5 2019 @ 12:23 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
Mueller has to simply say what was in his report.

Period.

If he differs from his report, then he either lied in the report or he's lying now.

So Mueller testifying, meh. He's running the risk of perjuring himself.


His beef with Barr was about how the media framed his report. This will be interesting.



posted on May, 5 2019 @ 12:28 PM
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May 15th. House not Senate. No reason for Left to be squawking about this anymore.



posted on May, 5 2019 @ 12:37 PM
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originally posted by: PilSungMtnMan
May 15th. House not Senate. No reason for Left to be squawking about this anymore.


Confirmed: May 15th before Jerry Nadler's committee.

twitter.com...

My guess is it took so long because Nadler wanted Mueller to answer some "pre-appearance" questions. If Nadler didn't like what he heard, he would have said, "We don't need Mueller to testify. Let's just move straight to impeachment!"

But Mueller most likely told Nadler: "I'll appear, but No pre-testimony tips for you! Take it or leave it, fat boi".

(That May 15th date has been floating around for almost 2 weeks now. It was NADLER holding things up.)
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posted on May, 5 2019 @ 05:19 PM
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originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: Scepticaldem



But that isnt what happened at all...

Perhaps you didn't read the Flood letter to Barr that is the topic of this thread.
In short: The WH is instructing AG to engage in a total non-cooperation with Congress; no docs, no witnesses.

As noted by jadedANDcynical two posts below, Mueller is still in DOJ employ as of April 5

April 26 Time reports:
Democrats Want Robert Mueller to Testify. It's Still Not Clear When—Or If—That Will Happen

Rep. Jerrold Nadler, chair of the House Judiciary Committee, sent a letter to Mueller on April 18, the day Attorney General William Barr released a redacted version of the report, requesting that Mueller testify no later than May 23.
...
Legal theorists who advocate for an expansive view of executive power are likely to argue that as long as Mueller remains at the Department of Justice, Trump—as the head of the executive branch—would have the power to prevent Mueller from testifying if he wants to. But two attorneys who have worked in Congress on legal issues involving power struggles between the executive and legislative branches said the President and his lawyers would have a hard time asserting executive privilege to block Mueller’s testimony, especially if he is not planning on discussing the redacted components of the report.

And Mueller is going to testify!!!!!

Lol


We should all be happy now, right?

I bet someone finds a silly reason to be upset......

Lol



posted on May, 5 2019 @ 06:39 PM
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a reply to: Scepticaldem




And Mueller is going to testify!!!!!


Oh Really?

Trump says Mueller shouldn’t testify to Congress, escalating fight with Democrats www.latimes.com...


“No redos for the Dems!”

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posted on May, 5 2019 @ 06:45 PM
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I bet someone finds a silly reason to be upset......

Lol

Do you mean Trump?


LOL indeed!



posted on May, 5 2019 @ 06:47 PM
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I think it would be the ultimate irony if Barr arrested Mueller for lying to congress.



posted on May, 5 2019 @ 07:00 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Lumenari

Mueller also said that he couldn't indict Trump, who he was unable to clear, because of the DOJ rule against indicting a sitting president, and tossed it over to the constitutional authority of Congress.

This is a predictable administration, once again trying to change the damning evidence in the report, by attacking Mueller and his team's work, for one thing or another.



You know, the rule is innocent until proven guilty. They couldn't prove him guilty, so by the rule he's innocent. All your whining, moaning and bitching will not change the rule or his innocense. Let's now see what happens with Mueller trotting out cia agents, claiming they are Russian agents and then basing his case and investigation on knowingly fraudulent information. Let's get all this crap out of the way so we can investigate and charge Hillary, bill, the podestas, Huma, rice, obama, kerry, Mueller, biden and FFS's, obama!

The times.... They are a changin'

Cheers - Dave




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