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The Era of “Centrist” Establishment Democrats Is Over

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posted on May, 1 2019 @ 07:01 PM
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a reply to: TonyS




Sanders and AOC may well be the future!

If it is , this forebodes a terrible and dismal future for the Democratic Party .
Spoken by a once True Blue Democrat




posted on May, 1 2019 @ 07:23 PM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
As I've said many times Republican owned media outlets as those on cable news are not "left wing" slanted. If you want true left wing points of view and commentary you have to go to Mother Jones or Truthout.Org websites.


Republican owned media, really? 95% of the msm is owned and poorly operated by liberal crazies. I damned near laughed my ass off when I read that. Can you say CNN or MSNBC rofl. At least I got one good laugh today in the midst of going back and forth to the hospital for my wife and her friend.

Cheers - Dave



posted on May, 1 2019 @ 07:52 PM
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originally posted by: bobs_uruncle

originally posted by: dfnj2015
As I've said many times Republican owned media outlets as those on cable news are not "left wing" slanted. If you want true left wing points of view and commentary you have to go to Mother Jones or Truthout.Org websites.


Republican owned media, really? 95% of the msm is owned and poorly operated by liberal crazies. I damned near laughed my ass off when I read that. Can you say CNN or MSNBC rofl. At least I got one good laugh today in the midst of going back and forth to the hospital for my wife and her friend.

Cheers - Dave


The American media is 6 companies who are ran by their shareholders, who are overwhelmingly old conservative men. Sinclair media alone reaches more Americans daily than the WaPo, New York Times, and every other news company you think is liberal combined. And they are unabashedly conservative. Remember the video going around a while back that showed a montage of local news anchors all reading the exact same script? The same pro-Trump script? That's Sinclair Media. And that's what they do.

You're being fooled if you believe in the myth of the liberal media. None of the people who control these media companies are liberals. That should be evident from their soft ball criticism of Trump that right wingers use as evidence of their liberal bias.

If I was a "liberal" journalist working in a liberal news company I'd be doing stories on Trumps connection to laundering money for the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, or his ties to Saudi Arabia, or his ties to mobsters here stateside. Or any number of other things he's been a part of that's public knowledge.

Instead we get two scoops of ice cream and hair jokes. If that isn't enough to convince you that the media is in Trumps pocket then I dont know what is.
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posted on May, 1 2019 @ 07:55 PM
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THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN.


I agree with your perspective dfnj but wanted to add to this one notion. I do not so much see that the system is broken but rather obsolete and running our of fuel. Capitalism at its core is based on free to cheap resources and the cheapest labor that can be found.

It has from it's inception a dependence on innovative technology. As science developed, the ability to invent new luxuries for the royalty of Europe allowed the specialized labor class, those who had the skills to make those luxuries leeway to pressure the royal class for more freedoms then the other peasants and laborers. One of the things they won from the royals was more independence and an ability to make themselves their own wealth. This over the centuries developed into the entire working class and all that came with it.

But those times are over because the resources not cost more and labor likewise is demanding a living wage. That system while helping to elevate mankind from a feudalism system to a capitalist system has served it's purpose. It is now time to discard it because those capitalists who once helped to gain freedom from royalty have now become the very royalty that enslaved us long ago.



posted on May, 1 2019 @ 07:56 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

I like Trump.



posted on May, 1 2019 @ 08:00 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

I like lamp.



posted on May, 1 2019 @ 08:19 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

What a load of crap.


91 percent of Trump campaign coverage was negative, 96 percent of media campaign contributions went to Democrat Hillary Clinton, and 55 percent of the public is weary of the anti-Trump tone in coverage.


Wahington Examiner Interview


Three key mainstream media outlets offered 90 percent negative coverage of President Donald Trump and his administration during their evening newscasts in 2018, according to a report released Tuesday by the Media Research Center (MRC).

It’s no secret that mainstream media reporters and pundits haven’t been thrilled with the Trump administration — and the president often rails against the “fake news media” and their biased coverage.

But MRC listened to and analyzed evening newscasts from purportedly unbiased networks — ABC News, CBS News and NBC News — and found the coverage to be “incessantly hostile” midway through Trump’s first term in office.

“At the midpoint of Donald Trump’s first term, the establishment media’s obvious hostility shows no signs of relenting, but polls show this negative coverage has had no discernible impact on the public’s attitudes toward the president,” Rich Noyes, MRC research director, wrote in his report.

Noyes noted that roughly 23 million people watched these newscasts each evening.

Approximately 28 percent of all airtime was devoted to covering the Trump administration in 2018, for a total of 87 hours — down from 99 hours in 2017.

“The tone of coverage remains incessantly hostile: 90 percent negative, vs. just 10 percent positive (excluding neutral statements), matching the historically bad press we documented in 2017,” Noyes wrote.


Linky

We are talking about the NEWS.... you are conflating that with shareholders and the actual PAYING part of the companies... entertainment.

At least be honest about the topic... which is the News media.




posted on May, 1 2019 @ 08:25 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

Says someone using the Washington Examiner as a source without a hint of irony.

Lmao.



posted on May, 1 2019 @ 08:29 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: Lumenari

Says someone using the Washington Examiner as a source without a hint of irony.

Lmao.


They were quoting an interview with a live person.

Not an anonymous second-hand person close to the administration.

So I can understand your confusion.

Care to refute the percent of negative coverage?

Or once again when you have nowhere to go are you just going to attack the source?




posted on May, 1 2019 @ 09:55 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015




The Era of “Centrist” Establishment Democrats Is Over


The Era of Democrats is Over. This is closer to reality. The far left are not even democrats any longer.



posted on May, 1 2019 @ 09:57 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

I will take how did I get my head so far up my a$$ for a thousand Alex. You can't argue with stupid.



posted on May, 1 2019 @ 09:58 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: DBCowboy

I like lamp.


Sadly that is the current mind set of the Democrat Party.



posted on May, 2 2019 @ 01:33 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: TonyS

I can see the point of the article,and I think it's fair.

I'm not partisan either and dislike them both.

Maybe this is a result of the left by all appearances selling out on their campaigning platform once they get in office. So the progressives are trying to hijack the party.

I agree with some of their stances if implemented properly and no raises of taxes (could be done, doubt they can do it).

But I think they're going about many things wrong even if they have the right idea about some things by loading the deck in their favor.... Not a good look.


As I said before......I can't get any reliable stats on what percentage of Dems think of themselves as Progressives vs. Moderates, but yea.........I "think" the Progressives basically see themselves taking the party over. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that Progressives are ever more embracing "Leftist" (Socialist) ideas. So for example, I'm sure Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren style themselves as "Progressives" but then they sign onto AOC's GND; in fact they fall over themselves in a race to sign onto AOC's GND. So its like there's a "race" to the Left within the Democrat Party.

One of the intriguing and hopeful signs I see in this is that, with the exception of the partisan idiots at the NYT, I rarely ever see these self-styled Leftist "Progressives" refer to themselves or their agenda as "Liberal". And they shouldn't, in comparison to real Liberals like Thomas Jefferson, these people more resemble Fascists.



posted on May, 2 2019 @ 01:38 PM
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a reply to: Gothmog

Hmmmmm, I'm not so sure the future of the Democrat Party is dismal; it may be monolithic in terms of becoming the Party of Government if they can pursue the agenda of AOC and those like her in either eliminating or circumventing the Electoral College such that all future Presidential elections are decided by the big Democrat controlled Cities and States...........the East and the Left Coasts.

That wouldn't signal the dismal future of the Democrat party...........it would signal the Death of the Republic.



posted on May, 2 2019 @ 02:06 PM
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originally posted by: TonyS

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: TonyS

I can see the point of the article,and I think it's fair.

I'm not partisan either and dislike them both.

Maybe this is a result of the left by all appearances selling out on their campaigning platform once they get in office. So the progressives are trying to hijack the party.

I agree with some of their stances if implemented properly and no raises of taxes (could be done, doubt they can do it).

But I think they're going about many things wrong even if they have the right idea about some things by loading the deck in their favor.... Not a good look.


As I said before......I can't get any reliable stats on what percentage of Dems think of themselves as Progressives vs. Moderates, but yea.........I "think" the Progressives basically see themselves taking the party over. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that Progressives are ever more embracing "Leftist" (Socialist) ideas. So for example, I'm sure Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren style themselves as "Progressives" but then they sign onto AOC's GND; in fact they fall over themselves in a race to sign onto AOC's GND. So its like there's a "race" to the Left within the Democrat Party.

One of the intriguing and hopeful signs I see in this is that, with the exception of the partisan idiots at the NYT, I rarely ever see these self-styled Leftist "Progressives" refer to themselves or their agenda as "Liberal". And they shouldn't, in comparison to real Liberals like Thomas Jefferson, these people more resemble Fascists.


Honestly, I don't think the typical Democrat voter really knows what to think.

I live in a Democrat / uber leftist haven of Chicago. Most of the people are just hard working everyday Americans who tend to be a little more left leaning, but generally moderate in their views. Not racist. Could careless what you do in the bedroom. Thinks taxes are too high. Generally, care about the well being of their neighbors and community All in all, usually good people.

With that said, the real radicals of the party tend to get all the press and in some ways sets the tone. Democrats are about memes and virtue signaling. A lot of the voters above are usually not well informed about details. For example, they just know the want to protect the environment and are told we need to be in the Paris Accords, but they couldn't tell you any specifics. They tend to be very shallow when it comes to actually understanding any issue.

So what happens is that these voters who are actually moderate and many I'd argue are actually conservative, tend to vote Democrat because they are led by the mainstream media. The radicals of the party though are the ones who kind of set the tone though as to what issues are to be viewed as important.



posted on May, 2 2019 @ 03:03 PM
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a reply to: bobs_uruncle

It might be wisest to simply take such statements as they are.

We all look at things like the media and somewhat determine where it stands according to where we stand on that political spectrum.

In other words, we get insight into where someone actually stands according to the response. And we can get insight into the level of self-awareness according to how far they are willing to go to shenanigan their way to "Truth."

At this point, the MindWar has very, very firmly defined one of the "combatant" groups. In order to accomplish this, it was necessary to create a group defined by what they are against, as well as making certain that *that* is defined by societal norms (healthy or not) and cemented with a victim perspective. That's it. That's all it takes. Efficacy can be improved dramatically through means like CNN and Twitter.

Essentially, "they" just took what was learned through marketing over the years, like brand loyalty, shocking the market, persuasion, narrative control, etc. and applied it to a social group in general.

If a company like Apple has shown us anything, its that plenty of folks will literally buy anything as long as they are fed the proper narrative, and importantly, deny everything else through varying levels of shenanigans and disingenuousness.

If you think or act differently, in nearly any way, you are the enemy. Long standing Democrats, probably even just politicians in general, flirted with this for years and years, only getting serious about it in the past decade or so.

The Company series by Kage Baker gives a scary glimpse at what this might turn into, in the near future (far future in the book...). Its also a great series otherwise
Long though..



posted on May, 2 2019 @ 06:23 PM
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originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: Gothmog

Hmmmmm, I'm not so sure the future of the Democrat Party is dismal; it may be monolithic in terms of becoming the Party of Government if they can pursue the agenda of AOC and those like her in either eliminating or circumventing the Electoral College such that all future Presidential elections are decided by the big Democrat controlled Cities and States...........the East and the Left Coasts.

That wouldn't signal the dismal future of the Democrat party...........it would signal the Death of the Republic.

The True Blue Democrats are moving away from their party.
A "Dexit"
It started showing in the Trump-Clinton election
The "remainers" will be nothing but Progressive Liberal Democratic Socialists
As stated , becoming a 3rd Party and irrelevant .

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posted on May, 2 2019 @ 07:20 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle

originally posted by: dfnj2015
As I've said many times Republican owned media outlets as those on cable news are not "left wing" slanted. If you want true left wing points of view and commentary you have to go to Mother Jones or Truthout.Org websites.


Republican owned media, really? 95% of the msm is owned and poorly operated by liberal crazies. I damned near laughed my ass off when I read that. Can you say CNN or MSNBC rofl. At least I got one good laugh today in the midst of going back and forth to the hospital for my wife and her friend.

Cheers - Dave


If I was a "liberal" journalist working in a liberal news company I'd be doing stories on Trumps connection to laundering money for the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, or his ties to Saudi Arabia, or his ties to mobsters here stateside. Or any number of other things he's been a part of that's public knowledge.


If you know so much about Trump's horrible corruption, write some articles, show us some proof eh! As far as liberal media, they may or may not be ownwd by Conservatives, but their message is unilaterally trump bashing, which is demoncrat driven, hence liberal.

Cheers - Dave




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