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The Era of “Centrist” Establishment Democrats Is Over

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posted on May, 1 2019 @ 01:58 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015


More truth than trolling. Look up LBJ's first election. In Texas, the graveyard vote was a real thing.

Voter ID and auditable paper ballots will solve many problems.




posted on May, 1 2019 @ 02:01 PM
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originally posted by: pteridine
a reply to: a325nt


When voter ID is required, dragging in all those tombstones will be tiring.
It will be fair. It will eliminate a certain amount of fraud.



posted on May, 1 2019 @ 02:03 PM
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posted on May, 1 2019 @ 02:09 PM
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a reply to: r0xor



The moderates are the majority of the party, just not outspoken and can't be divisely argumentative with the progressives in the party during sensitive times of government minority and elections.


That's an interesting analysis, but.............the way I see it, and I may be somewhat outa touch, is that the real problem with the Centrist or Morderate Democrats is...........they got no leadership under the age of 85. So.....they got Biden and HRC as "Centrists" and nothing following on from that.

The rest of the Democrat field looks like everything from Democrat Socialist, Bernie Sanders, Geriatric, to "Progressive Lite" Kamala Harris and Pocahontas, to "Leftist without a Clue" like Beto O'Rourke and their favorite Pee Wee Herman character Butigeig.

I think this lack of any depth of talent in the Center maybe why so many "moderate" or Centrist Democrats are leaving the party. I don't know they'll vote for Republicans..........they may simply stay home outa sheer disgust. But also, I'm thinking, from what I'm seeing that The "Democrat Socialists" are the fastest growing wing of the Democrat Party.

Sanders and AOC may well be the future!



posted on May, 1 2019 @ 02:23 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Edumakated

Yes . Lets just go full on end stage capitalism, bin womens rights, and ignore free trade. MAGA!


It'll never work. We can't pull off throwing blankets over the womens heads and not letting them go out in public or drive without a male relative or their husband.

That's why the Arab Muslims are willing to wage war against the rest of the world. We all used to be like that thousands of years ago, but they're the only ones left able to enforce it through religion and male dominance.

That's why Islam is our only hope.



posted on May, 1 2019 @ 02:34 PM
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a reply to: TonyS

Progressivism has been around for quite a while, as have the topics. The topics that have been proposed that are far left aren't new, and the Democrat party for the last few decades hasn't really been that far left.

But a lot of the roots in America actually came from Theodore Roosevelt who became progressive towards the end of his political career and even split off to form the progressive party. A couple of their platform notes from wiki



-Strict limits and disclosure requirements on political campaign contributions
-Registration of lobbyists
-Recording and publication of Congressional committee proceedings
-A national health service to include all existing government medical agencies.
-Social insurance, to provide for the elderly, the unemployed, and the disabled
-Limited the ability of judges to order injunctions to limit labor strikes.
-A minimum wage law for women
-An eight-hour workday
-A federal securities commission
-Farm relief
-Workers' compensation for work-related injuries
-An inheritance tax


The only difference of the Democrats recently has been gay marriage, abortion, and health care.

Other than that, they are pro war, pro big corporation ect ect.



posted on May, 1 2019 @ 02:44 PM
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Some of the writers at Mother Jones seem good, but many of them interpret things the way they believe it to be. That is not real journalism, a good journalist tries to get both sides of the viewpoint so people are properly informed then state their viewpoint of what may be happening.

They are not as bad as the Washington post though, WaPo is equivalent to the enquirer, I believe nothing from that site and do not think they should even be allowed to be called a news agency.

The Truthout.Organization I do not like, they are almost as bad as the MSM but not as bad at deception as WaPo is. I still consider it a news site.

The American people are better off now than under Obama, Obama wasted the money, throwing it at the wrong kind of businesses. I am more for implementing the Republican plan and bringing some more factories back to America to supply jobs for our people. We can do it energy efficient, and the reason I do not like the climate agenda is mainly that Americans would get penalized if they do increase our factories again, we would be forced to keep buying from other countries and this would mean that the EU would gain more control over China. I am not into bowing down to the EU, most people here left the European countries because of the corruption over there, choosing to live free and safer away from the leaders over there brainwashing their citizens. They came here for the American dream, The EU wants to turn that dream into a nightmare.



posted on May, 1 2019 @ 02:48 PM
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a reply to: r0xor

huh huh woah
That's amazing!



posted on May, 1 2019 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

I won't bother to argue the point. I am not a "Partisan" of either party. But take a look at this:
www.theatlantic.com...

Basically, the "gist" of the article is that the "Progressive" wing of the Democrat party is radicalizing the party.

It seems that the "Progressives" of the early 20th Century are really more in tune with "Moderate" Democrats. Today's "Progressives" are far left of that.

I queried on percentages to see what percentage of Democrat voters identify as "Progressives" and couldn't find any useful data.

As I read the article the author qualifies the following as elements of the "Progressive" Agenda:


To more fully grasp the leftward lurch of the Democratic Party, it’s useful to run through some of the ideas that are now being seriously talked about and embraced by leading members of the party—ideas that together would be fiscally ruinous, invest massive and unwarranted trust in central planners, and weaken America’s security. The Green New Deal, a 10-year effort to eliminate fossil fuels “as much as is technologically feasible” that would completely transform the American economy, put the federal government in partial or complete control over large sectors, and retrofit every building in America. It would change the way we travel and eat, switch the entire electrical grid to renewable energy sources, and for good measure “guarantee” high-paying jobs, affordable housing, and universal health care. It would be astronomically costly and constitute by far the greatest centralization of power in American history. Medicare for all, which would greatly expand the federal role in health care. Some versions would wipe out the health-insurance industry and do away with employer-sponsored health plans that now cover roughly 175 million Americans. This would be hugely disruptive and unpopular (70 percent of Americans are happy with their coverage), and would exacerbate the worst efficiencies of an already highly inefficient program. Make college tuition-free and debt-free, with the no-debt promise including both tuition and living expenses—a highly expensive undertaking ($50 billion a year or so just for the federal government)—that would transfer money from less wealthy families whose children do not attend college to wealthier families whose children do. It could also have potentially devastating effects on many private, not-for-profit colleges. Increase the top marginal tax rate to 70 percent from its current rate of 37 percent for those making more than $10 million, unwise in the 21st-century economy and far above the average top rate for OECD nations; and impose a “wealth tax” that would levy a 2 percent annual tax on a household’s assets—including stocks, real estate, and retirement funds—above $50 million. It isn’t even clear whether a tax on wealth rather than income would be constitutional, but that almost seems beside the point. Abolish the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), which upholds immigration laws; protect “sanctuary cities” (local jurisdictions that don’t fully cooperate with federal efforts to find and deport unauthorized immigrants); and take down existing walls on the southern border, walls which Speaker Nancy Pelosi has referred to as “an immorality.” These policies signal that Democrats don’t really believe in border security and are mostly untroubled by illegal immigration. Eliminate the Senate filibuster, pack the courts, and put an end to the Electoral College. The effect of these would be to weaken protections against abuses of majority power. Reparations for African Americans to provide compensation for past injustices like slavery, Jim Crow laws, and redlining. (Senator Elizabeth Warren believes Native Americans should be included as well.) Reparations would pose countless practical problems and create unintended consequences, as David Frum argued in these pages. Opposition to any limits on even third-trimester abortions, and opposition to the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act, legislation clarifying that babies who survive attempted abortions must receive medical care. Abortion is a very difficult issue that requires empathy on all sides—but for many of us, this stance of Democrats is morally incomprehensible. Increasing antipathy aimed at Israel, one of the most estimable nations in the world. Two freshmen Democrats, Representatives Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib, have embraced the boycott, divestment, and sanctions movement targeting Israel, and House Democratic leaders faced a fierce backlash in their efforts to condemn the anti-Semitic remarks by Omar, who has a record of anti-Semitic comments and who most recently accused supporters of Israel of dual loyalties. (The Democratic House, unable to pass a measure that focused solely on anti-Semitism, eventually passed a resolution condemning “hateful expressions of intolerance.”) To be sure, these views are not embraced by all Democrats—but they are ideas that are gaining adherents, including among several presidential candidates, and are fundamentally reshaping and radicalizing the Democratic Party.


Sorry, that's a big text wall and would be easier to read at the site.

Anyway, that doesn't seem to be quite in line with your recited elements of 20th Century Progressivism.



posted on May, 1 2019 @ 02:56 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

i don't disagree with your spirit, especially when it comes to how labor gets treated.

But what is going on now is we have a DNC that seems to want to overturn constitutional amendments. And i think that is a bigger risk to labor than anything else, as just the border issue threatens to water down job opportunities for the most prone and at risk Americans (the already working poor).

If you can get the rest of the country to vote outside of the establishment....great. Otherwise its a "lesser of 2 evils" deal.



posted on May, 1 2019 @ 03:03 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated

Feminism? What have the ladies done? :0



posted on May, 1 2019 @ 03:05 PM
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a reply to: TonyS

I can see the point of the article,and I think it's fair.

I'm not partisan either and dislike them both.

Maybe this is a result of the left by all appearances selling out on their campaigning platform once they get in office. So the progressives are trying to hijack the party.

I agree with some of their stances if implemented properly and no raises of taxes (could be done, doubt they can do it).

But I think they're going about many things wrong even if they have the right idea about some things by loading the deck in their favor.... Not a good look.



posted on May, 1 2019 @ 03:42 PM
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originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: Edumakated

Feminism? What have the ladies done? :0


I date a lot of feminine Feminist. No complaints from me....but then again I'm a very masculine masculinist. Strong women in the work place don't intimidate me....and btw they are becoming more and more political with every passing day.
edit on 1-5-2019 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 1 2019 @ 04:07 PM
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originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: Edumakated

Feminism? What have the ladies done? :0


Nothing wrong with feminism, women's rights, and work place equity. However, what gets glossed over is that all these women entering the workforce, particularly educated women, is a huge reason for wage stagnation. Not too mention, the family structural changes that also result with needing expensive daycare.

My point to the OP is that he (and others) often have very shallow analyses of issues and fail to connect dots to many of the policies that get pushed by the left that are often the root of the problem.

It is what it is... I'm a troll, but notice my post wasn't refuted.



posted on May, 1 2019 @ 04:41 PM
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When we hear how well the economy is doing what does that mean

Well it means that the ponzi scheme of capitalism is able to recover more taxes to pay for Social Security and other social issues. It is still better than Socialism. Look at the Chinese and what they have morphed into.



posted on May, 1 2019 @ 06:06 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

Stong women are the only women.

I like being challenged fearlessly. You dont get that from weak people.



posted on May, 1 2019 @ 06:20 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: olaru12

Stong women are the only women.

I like being challenged fearlessly. You dont get that from weak people.



So true...

You know what you get from weak people....? tweets!



posted on May, 1 2019 @ 06:26 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

I truly hope you're right. The reason I despise Democrats is because of their centrism. The last thing I want to do is vote for a Republican-lite.

The Democrats in power now are just biding their time until they can inherit the government Trump broke. You can see it in their half assed attempts to look like they want to stop Trump from what he's doing. They know it's only a matter of time before they'll be in control, and thanks to Trump lowering the bar they'll be able to get away with anything now.

We need someone with balls who will play no games about wiping every trace of Republican thought from our government. Until that person comes along they can all go to hell.

If ATS has taught me anything it's that if Republicans are against it, it must be something good that would help the people of our country.



posted on May, 1 2019 @ 06:29 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

What about yours? Fact or opinion?



posted on May, 1 2019 @ 06:47 PM
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originally posted by: r0xor

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Edumakated

Yes . Lets just go full on end stage capitalism, bin womens rights, and ignore free trade. MAGA!


It'll never work. We can't pull off throwing blankets over the womens heads and not letting them go out in public or drive without a male relative or their husband.

That's why the Arab Muslims are willing to wage war against the rest of the world. We all used to be like that thousands of years ago, but they're the only ones left able to enforce it through religion and male dominance.

That's why Islam is our only hope.




We all used to be like that thousands of years ago

For historical accuracy , please alter that remark .
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