Exactly, theres no reasonable use for this, i think its absolutely f*cking disgusting

It is called marriage.

Great find Gools.

I do hope those enthralled with North Korea's putative nukes might take a peek under their own blankets. ...This stuff isn't just close to home - it's right in bed with us!





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Non-lethal weapons aren't supposed to tickle. "Maximum pain" goes away, a gunshot wound to the face doesn't.

Tear gas and sticks can be easily over come by a rag and a little bit bigger stick.

"It could be used for torture," he says, "the [researchers] must be aware of this."

I can use a pair of pliers for torture. That's just emotional BS pandering to those that like to hear it.

I am all for non-lethal weapons, but making them have "maximum" pain seems to defeat the purpose.

I think the only thing that would defeat the purpose of a non-lethal weapon would be to make it lethal. The more pain you feel the quicker you stop doing what you shouldn't be.

Originally posted by PistolPete

The more pain you feel the quicker you stop doing what you shouldn't be.

BTW - Exactly why do you think the USA needs such a delightful assortment of crowd control weapons and hi-tek cattle prods?



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If you wear a fine mesh chainmail suit, microwaves and high voltage/plasma can not enter. An orgasmic spray would be a better use of tax dollars, who would want to be protected if the spray hit them?

As the United States military moves into third world countries they are destined to encounter hostile civilian resistance that does not justify lethal force. These people are already familiar with traditional riot control methods and recognize simple counter-measures (as someone posted earlier rags particularly damp ones are effective against tear gas). In order for the military to maintain a forceful presence while still remaining "humane" and protecting soldiers they must make technological advances. Remember the debacle that UN peace keepers were presented with in Somolia? They were forced to have unloaded guns and many were injured by civilians throwing rocks and the like, had effective "non-lethal" been available perhaps harm could have been avoided.

Just some thoughts

-A

OK maximum pain. I'm thinking something which DOES NOT cause pain rather affects the nerves such that the victim will become 'paralysed' would be more kind ethically and morally. Whether or not this is possible, it seems such a more humane thing rather than a 'non-lethal maximum pain' weapon which will incapacitate the victim.

Either causing death or maximum pain in an attempt to control someone is imho a barbaric act. You'd think hopefully someday a painless 'paralysis' would be possible with the technology they come up with these days. Hopefully in the near future this will be possible.

(What about the olde tranquilizer darts? hehe).

- Nazgarn

Originally posted by picard_is_actually_a_grey
Exactly, theres no reasonable use for this, i think its absolutely f*cking disgusting

You know, I absolutely agree with you. This really is the most disgusting and evil thing I have read and people just don't seem to realise that this is all meant for the people. God, this is sick, it's surpassed my worst expectations, god, it is really going to be hell for you people. I would kill myself before allowing myself to be subject to such torture, because that is worse, it kills your soul.

Nearly everyday I hear about a tazar gun being used on children or fatality, now they are going to have microwaves, ray guns, and these pulse weapons. You're totally and completely scewed.

[edit on 3-3-2005 by Indigo_Child]

Originally posted by picard_is_actually_a_grey
Exactly, theres no reasonable use for this, i think its absolutely f*cking disgusting

WTF is this stupid. !@#%-you better stop the peaceful protesting right now son or I'm gonn have to either 1. fry you with my microwave gun 2.blow oyt your ear drums knock you off you feet with an plamsa blast... sooo many choicesEVIL is among us this and PA2 nice stuffs

[edit on 3-3-2005 by Lamagraa]

Originally posted by soficrow



BTW - Exactly why do you think the USA needs such a delightful assortment of crowd control weapons and hi-tek cattle prods?



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Well I made my point earlier in the thread didn't I? WHY NOT? Why not have a weapon that stops people dead in their tracks rather than weapons that make people dead in their tracks?

This stuff is going to be invented whether the US does it or not.

Okay, I know I'm going out on a limb here, but I've got a crazy idea that just might work.

What if the US were to stop pissing so many people off?

The truth is, as long as there are tyrants, there will be freedom fighters. The only way to effectively quell dissent is to address the issues that led to the rupture in society. Go ahead and develop pain guns, super tazers, chemical riot control agents, LTL technologies of all kinds, it won't stop people from standing up to the bullies wielding the technology, it will just force them to get more creative.

A perfect example is the French Resistance during the Nazi occupation of France during WW2. They were up against arguably the most lethal mechanized war machine of all time, and they defeated it in large part thanks to cashew shell oil and condoms.

The opressors will continue to advance, the resistance will keep pace, forever and ever until someone does something about the underlying problems. That's just a fact.

Originally posted by WyrdeOne
A perfect example is the French Resistance during the Nazi occupation of France during WW2. They were up against arguably the most lethal mechanized war machine of all time, and they defeated it in large part thanks to cashew shell oil and condoms.

I've never heard of that, but it sounds like an amazing story. Please tell me more, or somebody tell me where to search for the story.

Ok, I got the picture now.. Achhh du lieber!!! Yow!

Very creative.

Sorry, but your idea of usa government stop pissing people off would not allow the big corporations to grab the resources of the world and make that extra profit.

The weapons themselves are most interesting, should prove very valuable in insurgancy battles and mixed combatants/non-combatants situations....

As an avid Red Alert player, I was especialy impressed with that "Tesla Tower" that uses an ultraviolet laser to provide an ionized channel to copious amount of electricity through it.


somebody mentioned mesh chainmailes etc... Naturally we will see that countries with armies that can AFFORD it will have their future soldiers in the latest nanotec composite armour suits etc, but meanwhile these non-lethal weapons remain a great dispersian tool against poor angry civilians on flipflops


But again the devil is in the detail : it's all about HOW these weapons are used, most of them, if you add some extra wattage in the decibel, microwave heat or laser or taser department DO be able to kill, its all a matter of responsibillity of those giving the measured response...

I think I will start selling ear-plugs and very dark sunglasses in the middle east, demand is gonna be huuge...Maybe some special silver makeup made from cheap household items applied to the skin could reflect various microwave/laser attacks, you wouldn't believe how resourcefull humans are when confronted with a much more hi-tech force...


[edit on 4-3-2005 by Countermeasures]