Military Coup underway in Venezuela

a reply to: oldcarpy

I don't get why this is a black and white issue. Maduro may be a horrible dictator. At the same time Guaido was not elected as President. He didn't even run. In fact he is a big reason election monitors were not present.

Then he gets chosen to act as an interim President to preside over a new election. He never calls for the election and instead gets the rest of the world thinking he's the legitimate President.

Now he tries to enact a military coup to set himself up as supreme leader.

Guaido has shown that he plans on being just as much a dictator as Maduro. The only difference is that he has the support of the US.

Where have I heard a similar story before?

Oh yeah! When the US installed Saddam as dictator in Iraq.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Guaido is recognised by no less than 54 governments as rightful Acting President and as of March, more than 80% of Venezuelans support him in polls as acting president and he has an overall approval rating of 61%, apparently.

Guaido has shown that he plans on being just as much a dictator as Maduro.

Who says?

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Where have I heard a similar story before? Oh yeah! When the US installed Saddam as dictator in Iraq.

You equate Guaido with Saddam? Why?

Venezuela leadership are just puppets...

Bolton and Pompeo are the thugs running the show, for a reluctant Trump who trys to hide behind the curtains

Russia and the China sea forces will cause USA shifts in policy pretty soon now

originally posted by: vinifalou
Mhmm, I wonder how many of CIA’s fingers are in this...

Well the fact that many mainstream media have given terrible reports en Venezuela just goes to show that there is something afoot. I don't support Madera or anyting but a while ago Abby Martin went to Venezuela and actually talk to people on the streets and investigated claims of food shortages. Nevertheless what was uncovered was a very complex situation that was dumbed-down By Us Media and probably purpose fully full as Venezuela has been a target for a while.

There is certainly something afoot here and I have a strong feeling it's the CIA. As things from the beginning scenes purposefully escalated through sanctions and corporate influences. People who think this is just simply an example of a failed state our ignorance of the many players at play.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

The support of the u.s. makes all the difference. The us previously attempted a coup and most likely has some part in this game. The US has been playing dirty for a long time in South America and having the u.s. support brings a lot of power.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
I don't get why this is a black and white issue.

From what I have seen in all these years on ATS, it looks like to most people in the US things have to be black and white.

Then he gets chosen to act as an interim President to preside over a new election.

There was no need to be chosen, as he was the president of the National Assembly and that's who is automatically chosen as interim president in case of vacancy of the presidency, which the National Assembly considers is the present situation.

originally posted by: St Udio
Venezuela leadership are just puppets...
Bolton and Pompeo are the thugs running the show, for a reluctant Trump who trys to hide behind the curtains
Russia and the China sea forces will cause USA shifts in policy pretty soon now

May 1, 2019

Let's first take a look back at the unfolding of Venezuela's presidential crisis. According to Wikipedia, a crisis concerning who is the legitimate President of Venezuela has been underway since 10 January 2019, when the opposition-majority National Assembly declared that incumbent Nicolás Maduro's 2018 reelection was invalid and the body declared its president, Juan Guaidó, to be acting president of the nation.

While some might argue that Venezuelan dictator Nicolas Maduro probably should have been overthrown in a revolution long ago for his treatment of the Venezuelan people, what the National Assembly did to 'install' Juan Guaido into the presidency there was similar to what Democrats and the 'deep state' attempted to do to President Trump here!

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By Stefan Stanford - All News Pipeline - Live Free Or Die ~~~ May 1, 2019

I hadn't read all of the Statute Governing the Transition to Democracy, but now that I read some more I notice this:

Article 34.
Given the risks that PDVSA and its subsidiaries are in as a result of the usurpation referred to in Chapter II of this Statute, and while such a situation persists, the President in charge of the Republic, under the authorizing control of the National Assembly and within the framework of the application of article 333 of the Constitution, it shall appoint the Ad-hoc Board of Directors of Petróleos de Venezuela SA (PDVSA) in accordance with article 15, letter a, of this Statute, so that it exercises the rights that correspond to PDVSA as a shareholder of PDV Holding, Inc. This attribution will be exercised in accordance with the following principles:
1. The ad-hoc Board of Directors may be composed of persons domiciled abroad and shall have the corresponding powers to the shareholder meeting and the board of directors of PDVSA, for the purpose of carrying out all the necessary actions to appoint the board of directors of PDV Holding, Inc., representing PDVSA as a shareholder of that company. The new directors of PDV Holding, Inc., will proceed to carry out all the necessary actions for the purpose of designating the new boards of directors of the subsidiaries of that company, including Citgo Petroleum Corporation.
2. This transitory provision will prevail over any other applicable regulations and will guide the interpretation of any other formalities required in the Venezuelan legal system and in corporate documents, in order to exercise the representation of PDVSA as a shareholder of PDV Holding, Inc.
3. The new directors of PDV Holding, Inc. and its subsidiaries will guarantee the functional autonomy of these companies and in particular of PDVSA. In consequence of the above:
a) The autonomous management of the commercial activity of PDV Holding, Inc. and its subsidiaries will respond to commercial efficiency criteria, safeguarding the control and accountability mechanisms exercised by the National Assembly within the framework of its powers, and the rest applicable control mechanisms.
b) PDV Holding, Inc. and its affiliates will not have any relationship with those who today usurp the Presidency of the Republic. While this situation of usurpation persists, PDV Holding, Inc. and its subsidiaries will not make any payment or patrimonial contribution to PDVSA.

Interesting.

originally posted by: St Udio

originally posted by: St Udio
Venezuela leadership are just puppets...
Bolton and Pompeo are the thugs running the show, for a reluctant Trump who trys to hide behind the curtains
Russia and the China sea forces will cause USA shifts in policy pretty soon now

May 1, 2019

 

 

Let's first take a look back at the unfolding of Venezuela's presidential crisis. According to Wikipedia, a crisis concerning who is the legitimate President of Venezuela has been underway since 10 January 2019, when the opposition-majority National Assembly declared that incumbent Nicolás Maduro's 2018 reelection was invalid and the body declared its president, Juan Guaidó, to be acting president of the nation.

While some might argue that Venezuelan dictator Nicolas Maduro probably should have been overthrown in a revolution long ago for his treatment of the Venezuelan people, what the National Assembly did to 'install' Juan Guaido into the presidency there was similar to what Democrats and the 'deep state' attempted to do to President Trump here!

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allnewspipeline.com...
By Stefan Stanford - All News Pipeline - Live Free Or Die ~~~ May 1, 2019

The crux of the problem is: Maduro held early elections, which he lacks the authority to do. These were the elections where Maduro seated a newly-created legislature full of his political supporters, specifically because the National Assembly was controlled by the opposition. I hope I don't need to explain that Maduro really lacks the authority to unilaterally create a new legislative body. The National Assembly declared these elections were invalid.

Later, after Maduro's original term expired, Guaido declared that the office of the president was now vacant, because no legitimate presidential election had been held. According to the Venezuelan constitution, Guaido becomes the acting president.

a reply to: ArMaP

I posted this in another forum but you may be interested in this-

They might even have some friends abroad.

Citgo Petroleum, a US-based subsidiary of the Venezuelan state-owned oil company, is named in papers filed with the Federal Election Commission.

In this chaotic context, it is perhaps less surprising that Venezuelan media did not seem to dedicate much time to cover the news that their government gave, through a state-owned oil company, a US$500,000 contribution to Donald Trump's inauguration.

It get's a little more interesting.

A firm co-founded by Donald Trump’s initial campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, quietly agreed to lobby for the oil company Citgo as the company, which is owned by the leftist government of Venezuela, was becoming increasingly embroiled in tensions involving the United States, Venezuela and Russia.

Officials with Lewandowski’s firm, Avenue Strategies, confirmed that last month it formalized a $25,000-a-month lobbying contract with Citgo.

If you want to go further down that rabbit hole, I'll give you some key players.

PDSVA, Citgo (you know of these, but they're listed for others).
Avenue Strategies
VantageKnight
Barry Bennett
Corey Lewandowski

Quite a bit of connections through all of those.

It looks like they switched from non lethal to lethal ammo. This is getting nasty.

Fox news is showing some crazy stuff.

Saw a guy get hit by a army suv pretty bad

Then these 2 water cannon trucks got fire bombed by the mob and were all jammed up trying to back out.

Army guy beating down people with this long stick weapon.

And 15 years ago Venezuela was donating home heating oil to needy Americans...

originally posted by: Bone75
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And what's funny is you pulled that straight from Guido's mouth and believe it like gospel.

I always thought that the one thing you getoffmylawnists hate more than a socialist/communist is a globalist... yet here we are.

wow... nice assumption on your part... But you know what the old adage about "assuming" says right?...
I am Hispanic and have several Hispanics friends with whom i communicate frequently. What I wrote is what I have heard my Venezuelan friends say.

BTW, neither the Trump administration, nor I chose Guido... The Venezuelan people did... If they are stupid enough to choose another socialist, that is their fault and not mine, nor our POTUS' fault...

Socialists, whether they are nationalists like Hitler and the real nazis, or they are internationalists/globalists, there isn't much else of a difference between the two except for "nationalism/internationalism."

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
Yeah It must not be the starving people, it must be the oil!

The oil prices were what started the downward spiral of the Venezuelan economy, things were good when the prices were high.

What started that spiral was when the industry was nationalized.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

It is what Presidents, or Prime Ministers of other nations do when they want to have deals with other nations.
But is POTUS Trump being lenient to Maduro's dictatorial regime, or did he and his administration assert that Guido is Venezuela's true President?

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Frankly, as long as we don't get involved militarily, my care level isn't too high.

As long as no politician benefits financially, care level the same.

As long as the Guido doesn't end up just as bad... You guessed it.

My confidence level of the above isn't high though.

We need to focus on us. That's what we need to do.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

That's a pretty long jump you took from "CIA is probably involved" to "I support killer dictatorships"...

I'm not a leftist and definitely not a Maduro supporter. I just thinks this situation is being played by Intel agencies to take him down.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: CriticalStinker

It is what Presidents, or Prime Ministers of other nations do when they want to have deals with other nations.
But is POTUS Trump being lenient to Maduro's dictatorial regime, or did he and his administration assert that Guido is Venezuela's true President?

Trump supports Guaido, as do most nations (except for Russia, China, Cuba, North Korea...)

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: CriticalStinker

It is what Presidents, or Prime Ministers of other nations do when they want to have deals with other nations.
But is POTUS Trump being lenient to Maduro's dictatorial regime, or did he and his administration assert that Guido is Venezuela's true President?

Trump supports Guiado, as do most nations (except for Russia, China, Cuba, North Korea...)

We're no saints on who "we" support.