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originally posted by: SouthernForkway26
a reply to: ScepticScot
American here, this is how we would do it..
The vote was to leave, so you leave. This was a decision for a generation. Just because some poll say three years later the majority wants to stay doesn't mean there should be another vote. The only poll that matters is the vote. Period. Thus far your government has not respected the vote of it's subjects.
If you believed in real democracy then you would have new leadership by now. In America not honoring a referrendum sounds impossible, and is honestly the scariest thing I could imagine.
originally posted by: eletheia
originally posted by: ScepticScot
Out of interest what if Anthony Blair had been born Anthony Windsor, first son of Liz & Phil?
Well he would never have made PM
originally posted by: eletheia
originally posted by: uncommitted
A referendum isn't legally binding, never has been, never would be. I'm not suggesting anything other than exactly that - Parliament is sovereign and is not obligated to act on the result of a referendum. That's not an opinion, it's what it is.
And isnt that why politicians are held in such low esteem?
Why offer anything they are not prepared to carry out?
If a politicians mouth is moving ...... they are lying?
originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: sapien82
.... it was only in 2013 that the rule on catholics taking the crown was lifted
The monarch may now marry a Catholic but has to remain head of The Church of England and as such MUST be Protestant.
No Catholic has ever been Prime Minister as well.
Blair was told if he wanted to convert to Catholicism he would have to resign as PM.
....not that I am a fan of religion or monarchy
Ditto....or Prime Minister's as well!
originally posted by: SouthernForkway26
a reply to: ScepticScot
American here, this is how we would do it..
The vote was to leave, so you leave. This was a decision for a generation. Just because some poll say three years later the majority wants to stay doesn't mean there should be another vote. The only poll that matters is the vote. Period. Thus far your government has not respected the vote of it's subjects.
If you believed in real democracy then you would have new leadership by now. In America not honoring a referrendum sounds impossible, and is honestly the scariest thing I could imagine.
From the outside looking in it sure looks like something is thwarting Brexit. It has been a few years now and it's not any closer to happening now than sincethe very first day after the vote.
... parliament isn't thwarting brexit.
originally posted by: elysiumfire
ScepticScot:
... parliament isn't thwarting brexit.
Clearly, they are and have thwarted all attempts to actually leave. Dates were given as to when we should have left, but the dates have passed, and the UK is still tied to the EU. There is no intention to honour the first referendum result. They will continue to thwart the process of 'leaving' until enough time has passed to hold a second referendum.
If the first referendum had given a result to remain with the EU, there would not have been any issues. No politician would have fought to actually seek a second referendum hoping to get a leave result, it wouldn't have happened. The UK people would have voted their country's self-sovereignty away, and its individualism, and we would be swamped with less-than-desired immigrants, quantity over quality to break the perception of our own culture. Fact is, it is going to happen anyway.
Your postings are pretty much disingenuous, but they cannot supersede the principal of democracy, even if its process is subverted. I don't think you are naive, I think you are deliberately happy at the state of affairs as they currently stand, and perhaps, there are a number of reasons why you think the way you do?
The idiocy of the 'remainers' is confounding and disturbing, equally so is the slow acceptance of the 'leavers' to the way the world is changing towards a centralised global tyranny, and be under no illusion, that is what the remainers will get. Regardless of what side of the fence one is, all will be enchained to global corporate draconian tyranny that will deepen and worsen over time. It is the only direction it can go...it will never soften. Each individual's value will be predicated on how useful they are to the system, and if you are of no use, you will not enjoy the same benefits as those who are, and those benefits will be tiered and hierarchical.
Governments who actually 'govern' for the people are impedances to globalisation, but most governments in the West are on board with globalisation and have been so for many decades. The corporatisation of the world is the next political idea and it is worth fighting against.
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: ScepticScot
www.abovetopsecret.com...
check out the numbers in this thread poll. It seems your prayers have been answered, and another vote was held. You lost again. Should we have another re-do?
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: ScepticScot
www.abovetopsecret.com...
check out the numbers in this thread poll. It seems your prayers have been answered, and another vote was held. You lost again. Should we have another re-do?
That's an opinion poll.
About the EU elections.
And it doesn't show a majority for brexit.
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: SouthernForkway26
a reply to: ScepticScot
American here, this is how we would do it..
Oh and we are citizens not subjects.
originally posted by: Justoneman
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: ScepticScot
www.abovetopsecret.com...
check out the numbers in this thread poll. It seems your prayers have been answered, and another vote was held. You lost again. Should we have another re-do?
That's an opinion poll.
About the EU elections.
And it doesn't show a majority for brexit.
Does show the Brexit party will win. Ask Obama about what happens after you win an election and gain power.
originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: SouthernForkway26
a reply to: ScepticScot
American here, this is how we would do it..
Oh and we are citizens not subjects.
Your leaders will beg to differ.
originally posted by: ScepticScot
I am rees mogg and the like would prefer it if we were still subjects.
Personally I like being a European citizen.