The Liberal Democrats Want To Stop Brexit. Can Someone Help Me With This.

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: ScepticScot

Cameron offered referendum to keep his own parties Euro sceptics in line.
Remind me again how many seats at Westminster UKIP have ever won?

He saw their quick rise in popularity and cut them down before they got

a hold..... and just maybe fragmented the two party strangle hold.

Many Euro sceptic conservatives are now migrating to the NEW Ukip party!!

*The Brexit party*

Perhaps now the people will finally get what they have voted for.

this system of governance is fracked. the asshats have shown their hands along with the media scribblers in cahoots with their masters agenda. still the assault continues and those who wield influence I do hope experience multiple dark nights of the soul. as Crowley used to say 'test everything' lol. those in the halls with the knowledge fully comprehend that statement.

no more compromises, I stand by wto terms and a swift exit on hostile terms if conditions present themselves.

f.

originally posted by: odzeandennz

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: alldaylong

You had a vote.

You don't get a "re-do" just because you don't like the results.

SMH

Just leave already!

enlighten us on how democracy works

I think you might be slightly confused about how democracy works.

enlighten us on how democracy works

It called a democratic corporate dictatorship and its defined by the power of economy over people and planet.

a reply to: purplemer

that's the official dictionary definition!

originally posted by: purplemer

originally posted by: odzeandennz

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: alldaylong

You had a vote.

You don't get a "re-do" just because you don't like the results.

SMH

Just leave already!

enlighten us on how democracy works

I think you might be slightly confused about how democracy works.

enlighten us on how democracy works

It called a democratic corporate dictatorship and its defined by the power of economy over people and planet.

That is right and why the Western gov's chose to be Republics. A republic is set up to not allow one branch like the elected leader or the Justice Dept to become dictators.

In the US the DNC is trying to stomp out the Republic.

a reply to: Justoneman

The UK is not a Republic.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: Justoneman

The UK is not a Republic.

That is not my fault LOL!

Sorry you missed out on that but many Western Gov chose a Republic with a Constitution.

Plato, I think it was, declared that there are no truly selfless Monarchs and I am sure you can attest to that fact.

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: ScepticScot

Not in UK law.

David Cameron the PM at the time called the referendum.......

Two choices *leave* or *remain*

At NO time was it ever said then or since that the result would not

be legal or a poll or simply an opinion of the people.

A referendum isn't legally binding, never has been, never would be. I'm not suggesting anything other than exactly that - Parliament is sovereign and is not obligated to act on the result of a referendum. That's not an opinion, it's what it is.

a reply to: Justoneman

Never said it was your fault. Why would I?

Her Maj has served the country pretty well and has been rather more "selfless" than certain Presidents I could mention. I will stick with a monarchy, if it's all the same to you. Poke nose.

a reply to: oldcarpy

ram yer monarchy pal!

the monarchy in the UK exist out of religious bigotry


it was only in 2013 that the rule on catholics taking the crown was lifted


not that I am a fan of religion or monarchy

but monarchies suck always have always will !

originally posted by: uncommitted

A referendum isn't legally binding, never has been, never would be. I'm not suggesting anything other than exactly that - Parliament is sovereign and is not obligated to act on the result of a referendum. That's not an opinion, it's what it is.

And isnt that why politicians are held in such low esteem?

Why offer anything they are not prepared to carry out?

If a politicians mouth is moving ...... they are lying?

a reply to: sapien82

Up yer clunge!

Monarchy is to me the better of two evils. Can you imagine "President Blair" or, perish the thought, "President May?"

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: Justoneman

Never said it was your fault. Why would I?

Her Maj has served the country pretty well and has been rather more "selfless" than certain Presidents I could mention. I will stick with a monarchy, if it's all the same to you. Poke nose.

Oh now, that was tongue in cheek. Sorry if it came off wrong.
As far as Monarchy, Plato was convinced a Selfless King was the best gov IF there were selfless Kings. Therefore a form of Democracy, thou vile was the only logical choice. The Romans upped the game with a Republic but Caesar was elevated to Emperor by the Romans of their own choosing ultimately. See how that worked out in the end.

Plus if you are realistic as you appear on ATS, I am sure you can think of English Kings who were very despicable.

a reply to: Justoneman

No worries.

John Stuart Mill of course (pay attention at the back!) was for a benevolent dictatorship and Plato was I think for a Philosopher King.

Some English Kings (and Queens) were of course complete bastards but our civil war sorted all that out.

Me, I'm more "don't vote or the Govt will get in".

a reply to: sapien82

.... it was only in 2013 that the rule on catholics taking the crown was lifted

The monarch may now marry a Catholic but has to remain head of The Church of England and as such MUST be Protestant.

No Catholic has ever been Prime Minister as well.
Blair was told if he wanted to convert to Catholicism he would have to resign as PM.

....not that I am a fan of religion or monarchy

Ditto....or Prime Minister's as well!

a reply to: Freeborn

"Winter is God's way of telling you to burn more Catholics".

- E. Blackadder

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: sapien82

Up yer clunge!

Monarchy is to me the better of two evils. Can you imagine "President Blair" or, perish the thought, "President May?"

Out of interest what if Anthony Blair had been born Anthony Windsor, first son of Liz & Phil?

originally posted by: sapien82
it was only in 2013 that the rule on catholics taking the crown was lifted

As the reigning monarch is also head of the Church of England it would not be possible for them to be a Catholic. Arguably, the rise of Protestanism coupled with England's break from the Catholic Church and subsequent wars with Catholic Spain et al, was the first time the English saved Europe from unified bigotary.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: sapien82

.... it was only in 2013 that the rule on catholics taking the crown was lifted

The monarch may now marry a Catholic but has to remain head of The Church of England and as such MUST be Protestant.

No Catholic has ever been Prime Minister as well.
Blair was told if he wanted to convert to Catholicism he would have to resign as PM.

....not that I am a fan of religion or monarchy

Ditto....or Prime Minister's as well!

Pretty sure its an urban myth about Blair and it was entirely his own choice.

IDS was a catholic showing there is no informal rule, as the Tories would never have selected someone they believed to be barred from the position as leader.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: sapien82

Up yer clunge!

Monarchy is to me the better of two evils. Can you imagine "President Blair" or, perish the thought, "President May?"

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hahahah oh my imagine that eh , gives ye a sore heid just thinking aboot it !

originally posted by: ScepticScot

Out of interest what if Anthony Blair had been born Anthony Windsor, first son of Liz & Phil?

Well he would never have made PM ........ He would by now be waiting

for the demise of his mother to take his first proper job the higher ranking

position of King.