Brexit Party claims Government should allow child porn and jihadi murder videos

I also want to point out the Brexit Party most certainly never said this, a member of the party said something, which seems to be taken out of context at least to some extent.

I don't know this person at all, but this is an intellectually dishonest post.

a reply to: sapien82

That's not what she is saying at all. Reading the quote which you managed to leave a large portion out she clearly states that child porn is vile and illegal.

She is not advocating for it to be allowed and its disingenuous to say otherwise. Like many others, she is afraid that Englanders will lose some freedoms they now enjoy on the internet if they continue as an EU member.

There are some EU policies which fly in the face of some members, and if the EU gains control of what is on and said online most of what is considered sacred to some will be lost forever in the name of political correctness.

Well.. i could maybe understand jihadi videos.. but the child videos should never be legal

a reply to: DJMSN

That makes sense now. Thanks for clarifying.. Usually advocating for child pron is a game ender.

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

but by not censoring child porn you are opening the gates to propagate violence and abuse of children !

You surely are not so obtuse as to not realize how absolutely absurd you sound. Child pornography is already against the law and is FORBIDDEN AND BANNED PERIOD.

Violent jihadist videos may not be banned nor illegal but most platforms would remove that type of material. Surely you must understand that neither of those two vile materials will ever disappear.

Just because your country joins a big hippy commune of love and wonder, and makes laws that all that is illegal, and that everyone must hug a stranger everyday does NOT MEAN IT WILL DISAPPEAR.

Then what ? Well then the Hippy Commune of Love and Wonder decides they need to crack down harder and just do away with the internet all together.

You want to write a letter to your Mom at the local Reformed Elders Retirement Commune, well sure you can write it but the local HCLW Official Censor will need to review it first. Just run by the local HCLW Script Office to get that 100EU official Censor stamp first before you mail it.

Of course I exaggerate, much like you misquoting and taking something out of context to make your point. There are already laws against child pornography and it's still out there.

People are afraid of losing core rights in what the HCLW will later necessary to control the other. It's why some Americans are so crazy about gun rights, they change something small and it doesn't work, they dont stop until everything is gone, all under the guise of stopping something else.

I'm not British or really well versed in British politics, but I know a bull# hit piece when I see one.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

She said child porn is vile.

Describing child pornography as "illegal" and "vile", Ms Fox said: “This is not about defending child porn this is about fighting censorship and fighting for free speech.

If you defend the right of people to watch child pornography which by definition is rape and abuse as the child isn't of an age of consent, then ultimately you are condoning to some level the abuse taking place in the first place, even if you are too shallow to consider that. Weird notion? Not really.

a reply to: sapien82

I see her saying child porn is both illegal and vile. Can you point to where she said it should be legal?

And she also believes people have the right to view it, she can say what she wants but as it has to take place for people to be able to watch it, I think she is perhaps too stupid to understand the ramifications of what she is saying - where did I put she said it should be legal? I think you'll find I said no such thing.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: sapien82
Is it possible that this person is a plant to make everything Brexit look very, very bad?

a reply to: SprocketUK

Oh so let child porn and Jihads get a pass so other "freedoms of expression/speech" do not get censored...This world Needs to be reset.Just as in the days of Noah.Come On Nibiru!

originally posted by: sapien82
...is basically saying its ok to propagate the suffering of children online
because we should be allowed to view, graphically horrible images because its our right to do so !

No, she's saying it's already illegal to view it, so using it as an excuse to further promote censorship is disingenuous. It's an early step on a road to hell that's paved with good intentions. Follow it too far and you'll reach the absurd yet inescapable logic that people can't access child porn if computers are banned and, when that ban still doesn't stop it (because it existed long before computers), people can't view child porn if eyeballs are banned.

If the government proposed a ban on murder and she said, "that's a bit stupid, murder is already illegal so what is an additional ban supposed to achieve?", would you be claiming that she is pro-murder?

It's really not a matter of what is being viewed, it's a distrust of the government and their tendency to wield power like a sledgehammer in an attempt to crack the top off your breakfast boiled egg.

originally posted by: DJMSN
People are afraid of losing core rights in what the HCLW will later necessary to control the other. It's why some Americans are so crazy about gun rights, they change something small and it doesn't work, they dont stop until everything is gone, all under the guise of stopping something else.

Exactly this.

originally posted by: EvillerBob

originally posted by: DJMSN
People are afraid of losing core rights in what the HCLW will later necessary to control the other. It's why some Americans are so crazy about gun rights, they change something small and it doesn't work, they dont stop until everything is gone, all under the guise of stopping something else.

Exactly this.

Thing is, that's not a gun issue, that an elected stupid people problem. You want to get to the crux of the issue stop electing stupid people...

I see that Martin Daubney is running as a Brexit party MEP now as well.
Another person who talks straight unlike the average politician.

If there are TV debates, Brexit will wipe the floor with most of the others.
I just hope it translates into votes.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
Thing is, that's not a gun issue, that an elected stupid people problem. You want to get to the crux of the issue stop electing stupid people...

If they were smart enough to be worth electing, they wouldn't be stupid enough to be running for election.

Politics is the short bus for the folks who aren't smart enough to get there on their own.

originally posted by: EvillerBob

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
Thing is, that's not a gun issue, that an elected stupid people problem. You want to get to the crux of the issue stop electing stupid people...

If they were smart enough to be worth electing, they wouldn't be stupid enough to be running for election.

Politics is the short bus for the folks who aren't smart enough to get there on their own.

Yep nothing like exonerating those in power, let's face it right they are just stupid...

We as peons are too stupid to get it... right...

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Freeborn

I think this is how we perpetuate the circle of abuse though ,
most people who abuse are or where victims of abuse when they were young

so if we only seek to punish then we really never address the issue of why this happens

I think by studying the rehabilitation of these people , through psychology and physiological examination of their brains
and the use of psychedelics we can remap their neural networks and prevent them from causing further damage
but at the same time understand how this can happen in humans

it could lead to some new treatments for those who have suffered abuse !

and if its the case where we do punish them but not rehabilitate them , how about we ask them if they would be willing to take part in these studies on their brains and find out the cause , especially if they are lifers or on death row !

These people cant be fixed "YET" because we lack the medical understanding and the medical technology to fix them!
or are we simply just unwilling to research this because of its taboo subject nature ?
We shy away from us as its a collective shame on our species

Sure worked for Charles Manson and the 'Family'.
Think the likes of them had plenty experience of neural network relocation.
Timothy Leary, Albert Hoffman, Aldous Huxley......
If you want to try chemicals to change mindsets, how about chemical castration. The mind can't contemplate what the testes don't stimulate.

Talk about a clickbait title and general load of hyperbolic bull#...I read an interview with Claire Fox today in The Sunday Times today where she explained how out of context her words have been taken.

"It's brought up in a disingenuous way", she said, "People will always associate anyone who is passionate about free speech with things that are vile in order to discredit their arguments" (especially when it comes to Brexit, she could have said, but didn't).

"It was a Radio 5 Live phone in about 25 years ago about internet censorship. Gary Glitter came up and I said 'I don't think it's appropriate to keep using low hanging fruit like child pornography as a way to justify censorship.' I feel stupid saying it. Paedophilia is disgusting."

a reply to: sapien82

wrong, it's ordinary people refusing to accept being shoehorned into a political federation created by the globalist corporate cartel, supported by the likes of Tony Blair and Macron

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
I also want to point out the Brexit Party most certainly never said this, a member of the party said something, which seems to be taken out of context at least to some extent.

I don't know this person at all, but this is an intellectually dishonest post.

Yes it is

Ah, the smearing has begun.
What a surprise.
If you are not voting for the Brexit Party, you are a traitor to your country. Pretty simple.