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Did the UK Spy on the Trump campaign?

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posted on Apr, 25 2019 @ 09:42 AM
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originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: Tartuffe

That's because we have all been living in a socialist Police state with no freedoms for too long, obviously.


Stockholm syndrome? There might be some truth in that.




posted on Apr, 25 2019 @ 09:43 AM
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originally posted by: Tartuffe

No, I’m not. You guys seem more interested in defending your spy agencies then innocent people.


Of course it shouldn't happen but in the world of Real Politik, it does. US Intel Services like using UK Intel Services for it because generally we are very good at it (but not always!).

However, as pointed out ad nauseum, everyone does it. Do you remember Merkel getting her knickers in a twist about US / UK spying on her? And then her own Head of Intelligence pointed out to her that, er, we do it too?

This is the reality. Everyone does it. It shouldn't happen but it does - and if you stop, you throw away a potentially huge intelligence asset. In other words, it isn't going anywhere either - it will continue long into the future.



posted on Apr, 25 2019 @ 09:44 AM
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Of course we defend our intelligence agencies when they are looking into foreign nations and who may or may not be the next US president. I expect them to find as much dirt as they can, as do your own intelligence agencies.
I would be shocked if Biden hasn't been scrutinised closely, see if he just caresses kids in public or abuses them in private. British spying cuts through political divides, left or right, our intelligence agencies care about one thing, the UK's interests.
You are a naive fool if you ever thought otherwise.



posted on Apr, 25 2019 @ 09:46 AM
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originally posted by: Flavian

originally posted by: Tartuffe

No, I’m not. You guys seem more interested in defending your spy agencies then innocent people.


Of course it shouldn't happen but in the world of Real Politik, it does. US Intel Services like using UK Intel Services for it because generally we are very good at it (but not always!).

However, as pointed out ad nauseum, everyone does it. Do you remember Merkel getting her knickers in a twist about US / UK spying on her? And then her own Head of Intelligence pointed out to her that, er, we do it too?

This is the reality. Everyone does it. It shouldn't happen but it does - and if you stop, you throw away a potentially huge intelligence asset. In other words, it isn't going anywhere either - it will continue long into the future.


I don’t see everyone giving shoddy intelligence which leads to failed political investigations of world leaders.



posted on Apr, 25 2019 @ 09:47 AM
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originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: RUokayHun
a reply to: Tartuffe

Without reading your missing post, the answer to your question would probably be yes. All allies spy on each other, even with five eyes cooperation, not really news lol
Edit>> After reading your post now, my answer is the same. The US spies on the UK and vice versa.


Yeah sorry, hit enter by accident.

It is news again because Trump just criticized the UK for spying on him and his campaign. The GCHQ replied:

“The allegations that GCHQ was asked to conduct ‘wire tapping’ against the then President Elect are nonsense. They are utterly ridiculous and should be ignored.”

These allegations should not be ignored.


So is it generally spying (collecting information/intelligence) that you refer to, or wire tapping specifically? They could have done one but not the other, but realistically, as others have said, it's not as though it doesn't happen - do you not think Trump gets intelligence on both enemies and allies?


Trump was a private citizen when it happened, and this information, along with former MI6 Christopher Steele’s dodgy dossier, led to one of the biggest failed investigations in modern history. I haven’t seen Trump doing that yet.


You haven't seen it means nothing. Trump was your countries potential next president at the time, do you seriously think your security agencies wouldn't perform due diligence? If they did enough is a different question maybe.



posted on Apr, 25 2019 @ 09:47 AM
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a reply to: Tartuffe




Stockholm syndrome? There might be some truth in that.


You are nothing if not predictable.

Yes, us Brits have been living under the iron heel of oppression over here for so long we just don't know the difference anymore. Apparently.



posted on Apr, 25 2019 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: Tartuffe

That is because most intelligence is used "behind closed doors" to exert pressure.

Go ahead though, keep whining about it happening to Saint Donald. It is pretty damn funny seeing some of the US ATS members reactions to this. It's ok when you do it to other nations, but not when it comes back your way? Hahahahahahahaha



posted on Apr, 25 2019 @ 09:52 AM
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originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: RUokayHun
a reply to: Tartuffe

Without reading your missing post, the answer to your question would probably be yes. All allies spy on each other, even with five eyes cooperation, not really news lol
Edit>> After reading your post now, my answer is the same. The US spies on the UK and vice versa.


Yeah sorry, hit enter by accident.

It is news again because Trump just criticized the UK for spying on him and his campaign. The GCHQ replied:

“The allegations that GCHQ was asked to conduct ‘wire tapping’ against the then President Elect are nonsense. They are utterly ridiculous and should be ignored.”

These allegations should not be ignored.


So is it generally spying (collecting information/intelligence) that you refer to, or wire tapping specifically? They could have done one but not the other, but realistically, as others have said, it's not as though it doesn't happen - do you not think Trump gets intelligence on both enemies and allies?


Trump was a private citizen when it happened, and this information, along with former MI6 Christopher Steele’s dodgy dossier, led to one of the biggest failed investigations in modern history. I haven’t seen Trump doing that yet.


You haven't seen it means nothing. Trump was your countries potential next president at the time, do you seriously think your security agencies wouldn't perform due diligence? If they did enough is a different question maybe.


It was all phoney and bogus intelligence which brought two superpowers to the brink of war.



posted on Apr, 25 2019 @ 09:52 AM
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a reply to: Flavian

I know, this thread is #ing hilarious! US members bleating like lost lambs on the hillside that lil ole Britain has the means and will to spy on them as they do to us.
Knocks their smug attitudes down a peg or two 😂
edit on 25-4-2019 by RUokayHun because: Stupid auto correct spelling lol



posted on Apr, 25 2019 @ 09:54 AM
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originally posted by: Flavian
a reply to: Tartuffe

That is because most intelligence is used "behind closed doors" to exert pressure.

Go ahead though, keep whining about it happening to Saint Donald. It is pretty damn funny seeing some of the US ATS members reactions to this. It's ok when you do it to other nations, but not when it comes back your way? Hahahahahahahaha


It sounds like you guys are just angry that someone is criticizing your coveted spy agency.



posted on Apr, 25 2019 @ 09:54 AM
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originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: RUokayHun
a reply to: Tartuffe

Without reading your missing post, the answer to your question would probably be yes. All allies spy on each other, even with five eyes cooperation, not really news lol
Edit>> After reading your post now, my answer is the same. The US spies on the UK and vice versa.
Drama queen, you watch too much Fox news lol

Yeah sorry, hit enter by accident.

It is news again because Trump just criticized the UK for spying on him and his campaign. The GCHQ replied:

“The allegations that GCHQ was asked to conduct ‘wire tapping’ against the then President Elect are nonsense. They are utterly ridiculous and should be ignored.”

These allegations should not be ignored.


So is it generally spying (collecting information/intelligence) that you refer to, or wire tapping specifically? They could have done one but not the other, but realistically, as others have said, it's not as though it doesn't happen - do you not think Trump gets intelligence on both enemies and allies?


Trump was a private citizen when it happened, and this information, along with former MI6 Christopher Steele’s dodgy dossier, led to one of the biggest failed investigations in modern history. I haven’t seen Trump doing that yet.


You haven't seen it means nothing. Trump was your countries potential next president at the time, do you seriously think your security agencies wouldn't perform due diligence? If they did enough is a different question maybe.


It was all phoney and bogus intelligence which brought two superpowers to the brink of war.



posted on Apr, 25 2019 @ 09:55 AM
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originally posted by: RUokayHun
a reply to: Flavian

I know, this thread is #ing hilarious! US members bleating like lost lambs on the hillside that lil ole Britain has the means and will to spy on them as they do to us.
Knocks their smug attitudes down a peg or two 😂


Oh hear we go. The herd start to congregate at the end of the pen to defend their weakest.



posted on Apr, 25 2019 @ 09:58 AM
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a reply to: Tartuffe

Lmao again!
Unlucky dude, Britain spies on your annointed one and nobody gives a toss except butt hurt folk like yourself.
I think it is hilarious.



posted on Apr, 25 2019 @ 09:59 AM
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It sounds like you guys are just angry that someone is criticizing your coveted spy agency.


No, more like sick and tired of your predictable and tedious attempts to wind us up. Please, change the record, will you?

How about going on about Tommy Robinson or something like that. That might get a rise.



posted on Apr, 25 2019 @ 10:00 AM
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originally posted by: RUokayHun
a reply to: Tartuffe

Lmao again!
Unlucky dude, Britain spies on your annointed one and nobody gives a toss except butt hurt folk like yourself.
I think it is hilarious.


Pretty poor spy job. Turned out to be nonsense. Less like James Bond, more like Austin Powers.



posted on Apr, 25 2019 @ 10:01 AM
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a reply to: Tartuffe




Oh hear we go. The herd start to congregate at the end of the pen to defend their weakest.


Oh, yeah, because us Brits are all just sheep and you are the big bad wolf. In your head, maybe.
edit on 25-4-2019 by oldcarpy because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 25 2019 @ 10:03 AM
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originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: Tartuffe




It sounds like you guys are just angry that someone is criticizing your coveted spy agency.


No, more like sick and tired of your predictable and tedious attempts to wind us up. Please, change the record, will you?

How about going on about Tommy Robinson or something like that. That might get a rise.


You seem to have confused me with someone who gives a toss. No one is forcing you to post here.



posted on Apr, 25 2019 @ 10:05 AM
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originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: RUokayHun
a reply to: Tartuffe

Lmao again!
Unlucky dude, Britain spies on your annointed one and nobody gives a toss except butt hurt folk like yourself.
I think it is hilarious.


Pretty poor spy job. Turned out to be nonsense. Less like James Bond, more like Austin Powers.
And you know this how exactly? Did Fox news tell you? 😂
I couldn't give a toss either way, I expect our intelligence agencies to spy on you lot at every opportunity, same as your spy on us.



posted on Apr, 25 2019 @ 10:08 AM
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a reply to: Tartuffe




You seem to have confused me with someone who gives a toss.


There seems to be an echo in here. Are we back in the school playground?



posted on Apr, 25 2019 @ 10:10 AM
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originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: Tartuffe




You seem to have confused me with someone who gives a toss.


There seems to be an echo in here. Are we back in the school playground?



I’m curious as to why you guys are so adamant about defending spy agencies. Is it because you think it reflects poorly on the UK people somehow?




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