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Border militia group were training to assassinate Soros, Clinton and Obama

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posted on Apr, 24 2019 @ 01:59 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: BlackJackal

I'm having a hard time buying this. It looks like every reference to the claim goes to either CBS or WaPo and is rife with modifiers like "alleged" and "has learned" and "claims." regarding him "telling the FBI they were training to assassinate..." and then that's single 2 sentence paragraph is the first and only time those claims are mentioned. I also am amused at the NM AG calling him a "dangerous felon..." His felony conviction was for fraud 30+ years ago, apparently. Seems like a nonviolent crime to me, and it's pretty telling that you have to actively search for what his felony conviction actually was because the media conveniently leaves it off in every article on him, simply saying he's a "felon" while focusing more on the fact that he was previously arrested for being a felon in possession of a firearm while still avoiding the fact that the felony conviction didn't involve violence.

Meh, seems like a dubious claim worth keeping in mind but sorely in need of actual evidence before it is discussed as anything other than a likely BS add-on to a news story by an overexuberant biased media source like CBS or, even more filled with BS, WaPo.


You didn't try that hard. There is a link to Reuters in the middle of the article.

www.reuters.com...

The claim is from the recently filed court documents against him.




posted on Apr, 24 2019 @ 02:06 PM
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originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: BlackJackal

originally posted by: Middleoftheroad



The truth is that the centrist Democratic Party is dead. The new Democrats are radical socialists who want to model America’s economy after Venezuela. If Democrats win control of Congress this November, we will come dangerously closer to socialism in America. Government-run health care is just the beginning





Lies meant to rile up his base. Lies that lead to idiots like those above to do the stupid horrible # they are doing. I can give you literally dozens more lies if these are not enough.


That wasn't a lie. The radical Democrats (AOC, Harris, Sanders, Warren, and many more) which currently have the voice of the party are pushing Socialism, which is what Venezuela has as an economic system.


Come on, you are smarter than this. No one, not even the most liberal American politician has even hinted at adopting a pure socialist economy. Show me where any one has said they intend to pass laws having the Federal government take over all private industries?

There are many people pushing for Medicare for all, even some Republicans. However, as you know, this is a common and successful form of medical insurance in many of the largest capitalist nations on the earth such as: Canada, Brazil, India, England, Germany, Japan, etc. So, it is completely possible to have a vibrant capitalist economy while having universal healthcare.



The Unified Health System (Sistema Único de Saúde (SUS)) has enabled substantial progress towards Universal Health Coverage (UHC) in Brazil. However, structural weakness, economic and political crises and austerity policies that have capped public expenditure growth are threatening its sustainability and outcomes.

The health care system in India is universal. That being said, there is great discrepancy in the quality and coverage of medical treatment in India. Healthcare between states and rural and urban areas can be vastly different. Rural areas often suffer from physician shortages, and disparities between states mean that residents of the poorest states, like Bihar, often have less access to adequate healthcare than residents of relatively more affluent states.

England has 55 million people.
Canada has 37 million people.
Germany has 82 million people.
Japan has 126 million people.

The two countries who have almost as many or more people than America that run Universal Healthcare aren't doing very well. Why do you think we would do so good?


What research supports your argument that large population means you can't have universal healthcare? Also, wouldn't you agree that comparing the US to India and Brazil is comparing Apples to Oranges?

The US has better infrastructure than those two countries. The US already has better physicians and medical facilities. We have enough doctors and nurses to go around already. What exactly is your argument?



posted on Apr, 24 2019 @ 02:07 PM
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a reply to: BlackJackal

Fair enough, I did not find that.



posted on Apr, 24 2019 @ 02:12 PM
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originally posted by: BlackJackal

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: BlackJackal
a reply to: matafuchs

Yeah, because mailing live bombs is not an "actual attack"........

Check yourself, your bias is showing not your intellect.


And not a single one of those "live" bombs, sent from a guy with a van covered - COVERED - in Trump stickers, went off. What a coincidence, eh? You still don't get it, do you...


And your point is??????????????????

I suppose you want me to buy into a conspiracy theory that those bombs were planted by Democrats or something? What is your proof?


The proof is in the gleaming red flag. Timing was perfect. The democrats haven't pulled off an anti-Trump hoax yet because they never plan well. Without a van covered in Trump "rhetoric" this guy couldn't be called a Trump supporter, and he was all about democrats until about a month before he decided to repaint his van the color Trump. It was almost as blatant as the Smollett case. Do you think Smollett is innocent?



posted on Apr, 24 2019 @ 02:16 PM
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originally posted by: BlackJackal

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: BlackJackal

Nice to see you!
How's that mueller thing treating you?
Seems it didn't work out the way you said it would?


Hmmm, not sure I wanted it to work out any specific way. I am only interested in the truth.



Bullhorse, you got the truth and it wasn't good enough.



posted on Apr, 24 2019 @ 02:25 PM
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originally posted by: BlackJackalThe US already has better physicians and medical facilities. We have enough doctors and nurses to go around already.

There is a huge nursing shortage that is going to get much worse.

America’s 3 million nurses make up the largest segment of the health-care workforce in the U.S., and nursing is currently one of the fastest-growing occupations in the country. Despite that growth, demand is outpacing supply. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 1.2 million vacancies will emerge for registered nurses between 2014 and 2022.* By 2025, the shortfall is expected to be “more than twice as large as any nurse shortage experienced since the introduction of Medicare and Medicaid in the mid-1960s,”

www.theatlantic.com...

No point in looking for sources, Doctor shortage is just as bad.



posted on Apr, 24 2019 @ 02:28 PM
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a reply to: BlackJackal



Like it or not, the MSM was proven to be 90% correct despite all the calls from Trump and the right that it was fake. So yes, just because you don't like the sources does not mean they are false.


The US MSM isn't a "news" source; they spout opinion as fact, obfuscate and spin endless conspiracy narratives as fact. They are sources of near pure BS, not much in the way of genuine news.



No one is wanting open borders. The democrats have funded border security many times over the years. So, it appears that you are living proof that the Right wing media has fooled its followers. Do you like knowing that you are being controlled?


Democrats have repeatedly altered Immigration Laws, Rules and Regulations to actively promote Open Borders. The most recent of which incorporated and adopted the UN Rules concerning Asylum seekers which insures Open Borders in that all anyone need do is set foot on US soil, make an Asylum claim and then get a Hearing Date to which they don't appear. In fairness I'd point out that the Republicans have looked the other way and tacitly accepted Open Borders policies to best serve their business interests by assuring a constant flow of cheap labor.

To clarify, I don't give a crap anymore about whether the Borders are open or heavily regulated. Its a lost cause.


You need to face facts. You have been lied to for years to keep you under control. The Republicans don't give a crap about you, Trump doesn't care about you, they just want power and money and they have figured out what red meat to dangle in front of you to make you mad enough that you don't realize you are being played.


I faced those facts years ago! I've been lied to for years by Democrats AND Republicans; I don't need or care about any of them. What I "vote" for is divided government that can't "govern" because I don't care to be governed by anyone or any party! When I vote, which isn't often, I vote to keep my money in MY pocket, not sending it to corrupt and degenerate government coffers.



posted on Apr, 24 2019 @ 02:33 PM
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a reply to: BlackJackal



The US has better infrastructure than those two countries. The US already has better physicians and medical facilities.


Damn, that's really rich! The US has nearly the worst physicians and medical facilities in the world! Americans pay more for health care than anyone else in the entire world and get nothing but entirely mediocre health care. The entire health care system is designed to do nothing more than suck the most money possible out of Insurance companies and consumers as humanely possible all the while damned near almost always killing the patient..........slowly of course and all the while failing to treat pain. When you get YOUR cancer, you'll find that out the hard way as they kill you with Chemo, which, by the way, I've never seen cure ANYONE of cancer. But its remarkably profitable!



posted on Apr, 24 2019 @ 02:36 PM
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a reply to: BlackJackal


The truth is that the centrist Democratic Party is dead. The new Democrats are radical socialists who want to model America’s economy after Venezuela. If Democrats win control of Congress this November, we will come dangerously closer to socialism in America. Government-run health care is just the beginning,”


Dear God. That's the first time I've seen that quote. I can't believe there are people stupid enough or so out of touch that they believe that.

Affordable healthcare = Venezuela

Lmao



posted on Apr, 24 2019 @ 02:51 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: BlackJackal


The truth is that the centrist Democratic Party is dead. The new Democrats are radical socialists who want to model America’s economy after Venezuela. If Democrats win control of Congress this November, we will come dangerously closer to socialism in America. Government-run health care is just the beginning,”


Dear God. That's the first time I've seen that quote. I can't believe there are people stupid enough or so out of touch that they believe that.

Affordable healthcare = Venezuela

Lmao


And you wonder why the right has gone completely outer limits... railing against the MSM while ironically buying into insane right wing lies & rhetoric coming from both their president and their media. Meanwhile in the real world, we still have a center-right Democratic party that answers to the same capitalist dollar that the Repubs do. Socialist!? Venezuela?! It's amazing what people will believe when partisan inanity and hero worship take over. And dangerous, that too.



posted on Apr, 24 2019 @ 04:02 PM
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a reply to: BlackJackal

This is your proof...



In court papers, the FBI said witnesses in 2017 accused Hopkins of saying the UCP was training to assassinate Obama; Clinton, who was the Democratic presidential candidate in 2016; and George Soros, a financier who supports liberal causes. The accusations were made during an investigation into “militia extremist activity,” the agency said.


A thought crime...any evidence in that article that shows a op plan?



posted on Apr, 24 2019 @ 04:15 PM
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originally posted by: BlackJackal

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: BlackJackal

originally posted by: Middleoftheroad



The truth is that the centrist Democratic Party is dead. The new Democrats are radical socialists who want to model America’s economy after Venezuela. If Democrats win control of Congress this November, we will come dangerously closer to socialism in America. Government-run health care is just the beginning





Lies meant to rile up his base. Lies that lead to idiots like those above to do the stupid horrible # they are doing. I can give you literally dozens more lies if these are not enough.


That wasn't a lie. The radical Democrats (AOC, Harris, Sanders, Warren, and many more) which currently have the voice of the party are pushing Socialism, which is what Venezuela has as an economic system.


Come on, you are smarter than this. No one, not even the most liberal American politician has even hinted at adopting a pure socialist economy. Show me where any one has said they intend to pass laws having the Federal government take over all private industries?

There are many people pushing for Medicare for all, even some Republicans. However, as you know, this is a common and successful form of medical insurance in many of the largest capitalist nations on the earth such as: Canada, Brazil, India, England, Germany, Japan, etc. So, it is completely possible to have a vibrant capitalist economy while having universal healthcare.



The Unified Health System (Sistema Único de Saúde (SUS)) has enabled substantial progress towards Universal Health Coverage (UHC) in Brazil. However, structural weakness, economic and political crises and austerity policies that have capped public expenditure growth are threatening its sustainability and outcomes.

The health care system in India is universal. That being said, there is great discrepancy in the quality and coverage of medical treatment in India. Healthcare between states and rural and urban areas can be vastly different. Rural areas often suffer from physician shortages, and disparities between states mean that residents of the poorest states, like Bihar, often have less access to adequate healthcare than residents of relatively more affluent states.

England has 55 million people.
Canada has 37 million people.
Germany has 82 million people.
Japan has 126 million people.

The two countries who have almost as many or more people than America that run Universal Healthcare aren't doing very well. Why do you think we would do so good?


What research supports your argument that large population means you can't have universal healthcare? Also, wouldn't you agree that comparing the US to India and Brazil is comparing Apples to Oranges?

The US has better infrastructure than those two countries. The US already has better physicians and medical facilities. We have enough doctors and nurses to go around already. What exactly is your argument?


My argument is that universal healthcare would be on the backs of tax payers and we're just about taxed out and unless a large majority of working abled people get a job to help, the tax rate will be way too high. Thankfully Trump gave us a little breathing room.



posted on Apr, 24 2019 @ 04:27 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: BlackJackal


The truth is that the centrist Democratic Party is dead. The new Democrats are radical socialists who want to model America’s economy after Venezuela. If Democrats win control of Congress this November, we will come dangerously closer to socialism in America. Government-run health care is just the beginning,”


Dear God. That's the first time I've seen that quote. I can't believe there are people stupid enough or so out of touch that they believe that.

Affordable healthcare = Venezuela

Lmao


Green New Deal = No more climate change

Lmao



posted on Apr, 24 2019 @ 04:43 PM
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a reply to: BlackJackal




The Trump administration has proven time and time again to say anything to make themselves look both successful and the victim. This behaviour has led to many Americans to treat their fellow Americans as enemies rather than people with different views.


So it is all trumps fault, he is an enemy, not a person with different views than yours?
What about all the crazy high profile people who actually asked for trump to be assassinated? Or all the other people regardless of their colour or believes, who spread hatred and division.
What about you? yes, YOU!?! Do you play any part in the spreading of division and hate? or is everything just Trumps fault?
edit on 24 4 2019 by NoFearsEqualsFreeMan because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 24 2019 @ 04:46 PM
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originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: BlackJackal

This is your proof...



In court papers, the FBI said witnesses in 2017 accused Hopkins of saying the UCP was training to assassinate Obama; Clinton, who was the Democratic presidential candidate in 2016; and George Soros, a financier who supports liberal causes. The accusations were made during an investigation into “militia extremist activity,” the agency said.


A thought crime...any evidence in that article that shows a op plan?


In court papers, the FBI said witnesses in 2017 accused Hopkins of saying the UCP was training to assassinate Obama; Clinton, who was the Democratic presidential candidate in 2016; and George Soros, a financier who supports liberal causes. The accusations were made during an investigation into “militia extremist activity,” the agency said.


Well that just throws a monkey wrench into the wheels doesn't it 😆😆



posted on Apr, 24 2019 @ 04:53 PM
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Wow another episode of Clown World.



posted on Apr, 24 2019 @ 04:56 PM
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I wonder if the Feds needed a FISA warrant to investigate the militia?




posted on Apr, 24 2019 @ 05:15 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
I wonder if the Feds needed a FISA warrant to investigate the militia?



Actually a CISA

**"C" -- Citizen 😎



posted on Apr, 24 2019 @ 06:13 PM
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Well, dont wear a red hat or you could be facing an ugly incident from a lone wolf or perhaps an out of control mob with their faces covered, which is akin to certain ugly and vile white supremacists groups, the only difference being the choice of color to hide their own brand of shame.

We can go list for list on the various attacks on people who hold different opinions including death threats and softball game shootings, but really cray cray is just cray cray and each owns a few, and each must accept mental illness as mental illness.

This story came from nowhere at a convenient time. Would not surprise me as true, but seems a bit of a stretch, kinda weird training for a group hell bent on the assassination of political figures, how in the world would rounding up border crossers even come close to helping achieve the assassination of figures protected by Secret Service types ?

Dont support what they were engaged In doing but just see it hard to connect all the dots required to go from stalking the desert for illegal crossers to engaging in the assassination of major political figures. More like they needed an immediate and unbondable charge to keep them from continuing
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posted on Apr, 24 2019 @ 07:50 PM
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How long were these people being investigated? It seems like we all would’ve heard of them before last week. And now they are covered in scandal? Anyways maybe I’m wrong, and maybe they’ve been around for years laying low, but not under the FBI’s radar.




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