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originally posted by: 83Liberty
a reply to: Bassago
I think it will more accurately show the mood of the country if a party that wants a proper Brexit wins the EU elections, so it will keep pressure on parliament to implement Brexit.
If we don't end up leaving the EU, we will at least have some opposition to the EU in their parliament, which is important in any democracy.
originally posted by: eletheia
The UK joined 'a common market' for trade, which had morphed into a take over of a country by stealth, and political integration there was also talk of an EU army.
The people have no say on who leads the parties it is the party who votes for their leader....... and as aprox 80% of all politicians are remainers its not working out well for the people. In fact I for one think she is in collusion with the EU mafia.
Typical EU ploy they have used it before, many times, one being that Ireland had to revote to accept the euro currency.
Personally I think his only ambition is to be PM of the UK !!
originally posted by: DoctorBluechip
a reply to: Bassago
A blindsided globalist David Cameron resigned afterwards (in humiliation probably.)
No , this country collectively owes Cameron , Wiiliam Hague and others for it's collective independence . ThTey're the ones who had the balls and the Britishness to stick up for us against them . They took the tory party out of the EPP in 2009 and then took the EU stick over the Lisbon Treaty and the bailouts at the EU Council meetings . It was Cameron who stopped the continual selling us out as a nation , to them , the partisan elite , and he stood up to them in various ways before the referendum , which had to be called to stop them controlling our affairs, and making our policy for us.
Cameron , wasn't , isn't , stupid , or an EU lacky, like Major and Blair definitely were , and he himself did not want to stay in Europe given the worsening conditions . He 'campaigned' for remain - and guess what : they lost the referendum . Get the idea ? He wasn't going to go and turn into a Farage figure suddenly , fronting his nationalist ideals and being subject to hate and ridicule by Europhiles , etc and then try and lead the charge , and take the glory . But, a sensible , hero really , delivered a _result_ for the UK's future and then , quietly walked away .
So history doesn't judge Cameron in such simple terms , he primarily helped to engineer the extrication . Calling the
in / out referendum wasn't ever a mistake : the plan has always been to simply get UK policy back to being made in the UK , where it belongs in all honesty . If it wasn;t for the EPP continually consolidating it's sole power over Europe for the last 15-20 years it might have been different .
Absolutely excellent point about Cameron. The man gave us the referendum, for that he should be regarded as a hero
originally posted by: Bassago
Ah I forgot how the leaders were selected thanks for the reminder. I agree with the suspicion that PM May has been working in collusion with the EU mafia. Actually suspected that from the beginning, surely no one in real life could really be as horrible a negotiator as May has been.
This begs the question of what if they lose and the people vote to leave again? I suppose on the next vote there simply won't be the option for a clean Brexit.
Maybe so but I think he has some serious plans he'd like to implement and they're not necessarily going to be for the betterment of a great many citizens. His love of terrorist groups is disturbing and now we've got some of the same in our congress too.
originally posted by: [post=24333907]gortex
He gave us the referendum in an attempt to satisfy the anti EU wing within his own party and secure his own future as PM , he believed the UK would vote with him to stay in the EU because he's David Cameron so he took the gamble , and lost , then ran away.
He did the right thing for the wrong reasons.
It'll be a cold day in hell when I give Bullingdon Camoron praise.
originally posted by: Bassago
originally posted by: [post=24333907]gortex
He gave us the referendum in an attempt to satisfy the anti EU wing within his own party and secure his own future as PM , he believed the UK would vote with him to stay in the EU because he's David Cameron so he took the gamble , and lost , then ran away.
He did the right thing for the wrong reasons.
It'll be a cold day in hell when I give Bullingdon Camoron praise.
That was pretty much my take on why Cameron allowed the vote, it was to benefit himself and I'd bet money he never expected people would choose to leave.
originally posted by: BassagoPM May and many of the Tories betray the UK citizens who voted to leave the EU (on March 29th) and now the results of the referendum have been thrown under the bus, the UK may never be free of the EU, UK citizens may get (be forced?) to vote again (and again and again) until they come to the "correct" conclusion of the elites to stay in the EU.