Brexit - An Outsiders Perspective and Questions

a reply to: Bassago

For an outsider you have a very good grasp on the situation, including the very reason this came about in the first place, you may yet be challenged over this, I'm surprised you haven't yet. But Rwmain, or Leave l, I doubt anyone can disagree with your assessment of it all...

originally posted by: 83Liberty
a reply to: Bassago
I think it will more accurately show the mood of the country if a party that wants a proper Brexit wins the EU elections, so it will keep pressure on parliament to implement Brexit.
If we don't end up leaving the EU, we will at least have some opposition to the EU in their parliament, which is important in any democracy.

I hope you are correct about the pressure on and it would be a win forcing the EU parliament to deal with Nigel until they throw in the towel and surrender.

originally posted by: eletheia

The UK joined 'a common market' for trade, which had morphed into a take over of a country by stealth, and political integration there was also talk of an EU army.

Yes the whole United Federated Europe idea which seems to be driven mainly by Germany and France. You'd think the French would be smarter than that, didn't they get enough of that 75 years ago?

The people have no say on who leads the parties it is the party who votes for their leader....... and as aprox 80% of all politicians are remainers its not working out well for the people. In fact I for one think she is in collusion with the EU mafia.

Ah I forgot how the leaders were selected thanks for the reminder. I agree with the suspicion that PM May has been working in collusion with the EU mafia. Actually suspected that from the beginning, surely no one in real life could really be as horrible a negotiator as May has been.

Typical EU ploy they have used it before, many times, one being that Ireland had to revote to accept the euro currency.

This begs the question of what if they lose and the people vote to leave again? I suppose on the next vote there simply won't be the option for a clean Brexit.

Personally I think his only ambition is to be PM of the UK !!

Maybe so but I think he has some serious plans he'd like to implement and they're not necessarily going to be for the betterment of a great many citizens. His love of terrorist groups is disturbing and now we've got some of the same in our congress too.

I am an American so I am looking in from the outside.

However, I am pulling for the Leavers. A people should have the right to determine who represents them. The EU does not represent anyone or anything but globalist interests. They are making it painful as retribution and a warning. Sort of like the Mob.

To the Remainers, I cannot figure you out. How many more levels of bureaucracy and corruption do wish to be buried under? The EU's intent is clear. The trajectory is sitting right there for your review. If you cannot see it, it's because you don't want to or the death of democracy gives you a warm and fuzzy.

originally posted by: DoctorBluechip
a reply to: Bassago

A blindsided globalist David Cameron resigned afterwards (in humiliation probably.)

No , this country collectively owes Cameron , Wiiliam Hague and others for it's collective independence . ThTey're the ones who had the balls and the Britishness to stick up for us against them . They took the tory party out of the EPP in 2009 and then took the EU stick over the Lisbon Treaty and the bailouts at the EU Council meetings . It was Cameron who stopped the continual selling us out as a nation , to them , the partisan elite , and he stood up to them in various ways before the referendum , which had to be called to stop them controlling our affairs, and making our policy for us.

Cameron , wasn't , isn't , stupid , or an EU lacky, like Major and Blair definitely were , and he himself did not want to stay in Europe given the worsening conditions . He 'campaigned' for remain - and guess what : they lost the referendum . Get the idea ? He wasn't going to go and turn into a Farage figure suddenly , fronting his nationalist ideals and being subject to hate and ridicule by Europhiles , etc and then try and lead the charge , and take the glory . But, a sensible , hero really , delivered a _result_ for the UK's future and then , quietly walked away .
So history doesn't judge Cameron in such simple terms , he primarily helped to engineer the extrication . Calling the
in / out referendum wasn't ever a mistake : the plan has always been to simply get UK policy back to being made in the UK , where it belongs in all honesty . If it wasn;t for the EPP continually consolidating it's sole power over Europe for the last 15-20 years it might have been different .

Absolutely excellent point about Cameron. The man gave us the referendum, for that he should be regarded as a hero

a reply to: JPtruther

Absolutely excellent point about Cameron. The man gave us the referendum, for that he should be regarded as a hero

He gave us the referendum in an attempt to satisfy the anti EU wing within his own party and secure his own future as PM , he believed the UK would vote with him to stay in the EU because he's David Cameron so he took the gamble , and lost , then ran away.
He did the right thing for the wrong reasons.

It'll be a cold day in hell when I give Bullingdon Camoron praise.

originally posted by: Bassago

Ah I forgot how the leaders were selected thanks for the reminder. I agree with the suspicion that PM May has been working in collusion with the EU mafia. Actually suspected that from the beginning, surely no one in real life could really be as horrible a negotiator as May has been.

You'd have thought that out of all of them they could have picked out at least

one business person with experience of negotiating?

May was a teacher, and it shows .....'teacher knows best' and all that

This begs the question of what if they lose and the people vote to leave again? I suppose on the next vote there simply won't be the option for a clean Brexit.

Your so right there have been options floated around, and would you believe

it there is NO leave without a deal option ..... but there is a *remain in the EU option?

It beggars belief.

Maybe so but I think he has some serious plans he'd like to implement and they're not necessarily going to be for the betterment of a great many citizens. His love of terrorist groups is disturbing and now we've got some of the same in our congress too.

Its disturbing....... but whats even more disturbing is that people are soooo

fed up that he might just get his way.

originally posted by: JPtruther

Absolutely excellent point about Cameron. The man gave us the referendum, for that he should be regarded as a hero

Yes .....But was it by design ....... or default?

originally posted by: [post=24333907]gortex

He gave us the referendum in an attempt to satisfy the anti EU wing within his own party and secure his own future as PM , he believed the UK would vote with him to stay in the EU because he's David Cameron so he took the gamble , and lost , then ran away.
He did the right thing for the wrong reasons.

It'll be a cold day in hell when I give Bullingdon Camoron praise.

That was pretty much my take on why Cameron allowed the vote, it was to benefit himself and I'd bet money he never expected people would choose to leave.

a reply to: Bassago



Suppose that's an ""interesting"" take on matters.

Shared by a very ""Special"" person indeed.

a reply to: andy06shake


I think this pic sums up how demented the whole Brexit fiasco has driven the UK population...

originally posted by: Bassago

originally posted by: [post=24333907]gortex

He gave us the referendum in an attempt to satisfy the anti EU wing within his own party and secure his own future as PM , he believed the UK would vote with him to stay in the EU because he's David Cameron so he took the gamble , and lost , then ran away.
He did the right thing for the wrong reasons.

It'll be a cold day in hell when I give Bullingdon Camoron praise.

That was pretty much my take on why Cameron allowed the vote, it was to benefit himself and I'd bet money he never expected people would choose to leave.

That's exactly it, of Cameron was the hero some at he is he would have stayed to see it through, he is, in fact a loser. Anyone who can't see that doesn't understand why we're going down this road...

a reply to: djz3ro

I'm just not sure what it is to be honest.

Aside from a Leprechaun Bible believer, Red Wine drinker, who also wields, what i assume to be, a Jewish star of David. LoL

Talk about conflicted???

Plus he/she, does not look well to pleased about something.

Digging the retro Hitec trainers all the same.

a reply to: andy06shake

wind-gambling commando. combobulation is deep with this one.

2nd

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a reply to: fakedirt

If such a fine specimen of a Human being is not taken first in the Rapture, then Jesus, just is not playing fair would be my thinking on the matter.

a reply to: andy06shake

'If such a fine specimen of a Human being is not taken first in the Rapture, then Jesus, just is not playing fair would be my thinking on the matter.'

taking the piss more-like lol!

I do hope the attire isn't official dress code for nigels gig!

star-jumps and breakdancing on parliament lawns may do more damage than extinction rebellion.

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originally posted by: BassagoPM May and many of the Tories betray the UK citizens who voted to leave the EU (on March 29th) and now the results of the referendum have been thrown under the bus, the UK may never be free of the EU, UK citizens may get (be forced?) to vote again (and again and again) until they come to the "correct" conclusion of the elites to stay in the EU.

It's all a bit complicated over here bud and May is trying her best not to rush things as things could get out of hand very quickly. The state is basically wrecked right now and the economy is beginning to go at bthe seams due to the Euro withdrawl nonsense, factories are closing down all over the place, they screwed our currency big style and the vale of our Sterling is getting to the point of worthlessness, neo Nazi groups assassinating our MPs, I find the general public vile these days not like in the 90's and before it's all want want want stab in the back people being horrible everywhere and treating their fellow humanity very unfairly and very badly, you need to see our high streets too, its like a scene from The Blitz in WW2, buildings are vacant and smack heads are breaking into them and turning them into cracks houses, whole swathes of our inner cities have turned into vi=sions of hell like something in Syria, Islamic terror killing our people through explosions, Ireland's kicking off big style again with snipers killing women innocents, gangs on the British mainland of knife whielding yobs stabbing anyone and everyone. Things aren't looking good over here anymore and the turbalance of Brexit is merley a result of the chaos that has become Great Britain. No good can come of it

a reply to: fakedirt

It's star-jumps on their types heads(politicians) that should be happening.

Not like it would knock any sense into the shower of inept bastards all the same.

But it might make them think twice about playing with peoples lives, in the manner in which they are.

It's not like Brexit will affect their Ivory castles much after all, just everyone else, and the next few generations ta boot.

a reply to: Bassago

A FORMER chairman of Bury's UK Independence Party has been jailed for grooming children and possessing nearly 200,000 indecent images of children.

www.burytimes.co.uk... a9-JPpUsBynxcehRbjr0VhmA4KSGNr8mAN7AuKIroAYYXj4DURnA

What a nasty bastard indeed!

A ""Naughty Doctor"" dont quite cut it imho.

Says it all about the UKIP types and then some if you ask me.

a reply to: andy06shake

Labour councillor convicted of child porn

Conservative councillor convicted of child porn

Scottish Labour councillor convicted of child porn

SNP councillor convicted of child porn

I'm no fan of UKIP, but if you are going to tar political parties with a single brush then at least have some balance. They are all as bad as each other, but obsess over one minor insignificant protest party which won't even win a seat in the coming elections.
How's that investigation going with sleaze bag Alex Salmond? Let's check out the skeletons in all their cupboards, you are blinkered if you think that UKIP paedo is unique to his party.
But don't let a cheap slur go to waste eh? I prefer balanced criticism, something which seems to be missing in ATS political threads.

...back to aliens and UFO forums methinks