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Brexit - An Outsiders Perspective and Questions

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posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 08:00 PM
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To my brothers and sisters in the UK first off let me say I have no dog in this fight. I am putting it in the Mud-Pit because obviously this is a very sensitive political subject. As a US citizen who has followed this catastrophe since David Cameron disingenuously (IMO) offered the Brexit referendum hoping to shut down the Euro-skeptics once and for all well it looks like UK citizens have been totally betrayed. But like I said I'm an outsider and might be missing some/many things and/or not understand what's really going on in the UK.

So here's what I do know or think I know, please enlighten as needed:

In 2016 the citizens of the UK via referendum voted to leave the European Union.

A blindsided globalist David Cameron resigned afterwards (in humiliation probably.)

Teresa May was elected the new PM (for some reason) who would deliver Brexit even though she voted to remain in the EU (how's that working out?)

New PM May stated plainly (dozens, hundreds? of times) "No deal was better than a bad deal!" when it came to EU negotiations.

New PM May in a fit of hubris called an election in which 1) the Tories all swore to abide by the referendum result and 2) in a spectacular fail almost lost everything and now depends on the Northern Irish DUP party to maintain any kind of control of Parliament.

The EU negotiator Michel Barnier said his goal was to make Brexit as costly and miserable for the UK as a lesson to them and any other upstart EU members who might wish to leave (and with PM May's support he's certainly done that.) Definitely a good stern lesson to the "little people" not to disagree with their elite betters.

PM May negotiated (surrendered?) with terms to "leave" the EU that appear to be more akin the terms a country agrees to after losing a major war, basically leaving the UK much worse off than if they never left the EU or had a referendum at all.

PM May apparently loses control of much of the Tory party and the Parliament has wrested control over Brexit away from her.

PM May and many of the Tories betray the UK citizens who voted to leave the EU (on March 29th) and now the results of the referendum have been thrown under the bus, the UK may never be free of the EU, UK citizens may get (be forced?) to vote again (and again and again) until they come to the "correct" conclusion of the elites to stay in the EU.

(On a side note the Labour party is going through I'm not sure what because many are die hard remainers but Jeremy Corbyn the die hard Hamas loving Marxist who wants the UK broken off of the EU so he can implement God knows what kind of commie/socialist/Marxist agenda on the UK.)

Am I missing something here or is democracy dead in the once great United Kingdom? Honest inquiry from the USA and yeah I know we've had our own recent s****storm over here.




posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 08:09 PM
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a reply to: Bassago

Well said, I look forward to this thread, but frankly theyre doing the same all over the Western world.

Brexit and French yellow vests are indicitive of an underlying problem. A global take over, thru the auspices of the UN.



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 08:12 PM
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a reply to: Bassago

I'm also an outsider with no dog in the fight. But your explanation is pretty much my understanding of the situation as well.

And it's good to see you on the boards again, I hope you can stick around.



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 08:17 PM
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a reply to: BlueJacket

Yeah agreed there's definitely a problem with the liberal western world. The yellow vests are interesting though and I've been following them as well.



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 08:21 PM
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a reply to: watchitburn

Hey watchitburn good to see you. Yeah I've been on walkabout for a long time now. Time doesn't really register with me much anymore, which is a good thing IMO.



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 09:32 PM
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It's about 330am sunday in England. This post might get more response from there in the morning. I hope so.



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 09:41 PM
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a reply to: DukeMisterio

Yeah I realized the time differential after I posted. Hopefully some UK ATS folks will be waking soon.



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 10:08 PM
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a reply to: Bassago
I think you summed up our situation quite well.
In fact, the only correction I could make is that it's Theresa May, not Teresa.


We will probably even have to vote in the EU elections (vote for our MEPs), nearly 3 years after voting to leave the EU.

There is hope though...
Nigel Farage has recently formed the Brexit Party and are doing rather well in recent polls.



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 10:17 PM
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a reply to: 83Liberty



Theresa May, not Teresa.

Whoops I never seem to be able to get that right. Nigel Farage and the Brexit party looks good but how can that help with Brexit. I've watched Nigel harangue the heck out of EU MEP's but it doesn't really seem to accomplish anything (except make them squirm.)



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 10:42 PM
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a reply to: Bassago
I think it will more accurately show the mood of the country if a party that wants a proper Brexit wins the EU elections, so it will keep pressure on parliament to implement Brexit.
If we don't end up leaving the EU, we will at least have some opposition to the EU in their parliament, which is important in any democracy.



posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 01:26 AM
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Yes OP you pretty much nailed it. This will give rise to even further division. I am what I would consider a moderate right conservative and this situation gives voice to those imbeciles on the far right who pollute our message.Which in turn gives voice to the far left loonies. A perpetual s###show from which there is no escape...



posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 02:46 AM
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originally posted by: Bassago
a reply to: 83Liberty



Theresa May, not Teresa.

Whoops I never seem to be able to get that right. Nigel Farage and the Brexit party looks good but how can that help with Brexit. I've watched Nigel harangue the heck out of EU MEP's but it doesn't really seem to accomplish anything (except make them squirm.)



hello bassago,
it seems mr farage may well give the main parties a good ass-kicking for their reluctance to deliver an appropriate solution to the referendum.

after watching parliamentary proceeding for many years, I will say that from henceforth, tactical voting is the flavour
I choose after witnessing this stretched out hammer-down and the morons in that place need to finally realise who their masters and mistresses are. corporate or the people.

this issue will remain volatile for years to come but firstly the austerity whores inflicting suffering on the vulnerable
need to be removed from political responsibility amongst other policy groupings and special interest clowns.

f.



posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 03:20 AM
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originally posted by: Bassago


As has already been said
you pretty well got it in one




This catastrophe since David Cameron disingenuously (IMO) offered the Brexit referendum hoping to shut down the Euro-skeptics once and for all well it looks like UK citizens have been totally betrayed.


Totally and utterly betrayed by the Politicians, and just goes to show how far off

from the people they are living in their own little bubbles thinking that they know

what is best for those who they are supposed to represent.



In 2016 the citizens of the UK via referendum voted to leave the European Union.


The UK joined 'a common market' for trade, which had morphed into a take over

of a country by stealth, and political intergration there was also talk of an EU army.



A blindsided globalist David Cameron resigned afterwards (in humiliation probably.)


How wrong was he? '




Teresa May was elected the new PM (for some reason) who would deliver Brexit even though she voted to remain in the EU (how's that working out?)


The people have no say on who leads the parties it is the party who votes for

their leader....... and as aprox 80% of all politicians are remainers its not

working out well for the people. In fact I for one think she is in collusion with

the EU mafia.



New PM May stated plainly (dozens, hundreds? of times) "No deal was better than a bad deal!" when it came to EU negotiations.


She also said "leave means leave" and a lot of other things which she back

tracked on ...... the public has discovered she changes her mind more times

than 'people have hot dinners'



New PM May in a fit of hubris called an election in which 1) the Tories all swore to abide by the referendum result and 2) in a spectacular fail almost lost everything and now depends on the Northern Irish DUP party to maintain any kind of control of Parliament.


I am personally grateful for their stance and stoicism keeping her steady.



The EU negotiator Michel Barnier said his goal was to make Brexit as costly and miserable for the UK as a lesson to them and any other upstart EU members who might wish to leave (and with PM May's support he's certainly done that.) Definitely a good stern lesson to the "little people" not to disagree with their elite betters.

PM May negotiated (surrendered?) with terms to "leave" the EU that appear to be more akin the terms a country agrees to after losing a major war, basically leaving the UK much worse off than if they never left the EU or had a referendum at all.
PM May apparently loses control of much of the Tory party and the Parliament has wrested control over Brexit away from her.


In a nutshell ....'
couldn't have said it better!



PM May and many of the Tories betray the UK citizens who voted to leave the EU (on March 29th) and now the results of the referendum have been thrown under the bus, the UK may never be free of the EU, UK citizens may get (be forced?) to vote again (and again and again) until they come to the "correct" conclusion of the elites to stay in the EU.


Typical EU ploy they have used it before, many times, one being that

Ireland had to revote to accept the euro currency.



(On a side note the Labour party is going through I'm not sure what because many are die hard remainers but Jeremy Corbyn the die hard Hamas loving Marxist who wants the UK broken off of the EU so he can implement God knows what kind of commie/socialist/Marxist agenda on the UK.)


Personally I think his only ambition is to be PM of the UK !!



Am I missing something here or is democracy dead in the once great United Kingdom? Honest inquiry from the USA and yeah I know we've had our own recent s****storm over here.


You are missing nothing ...... very well summed up democracy in the UK is DEAD.

I hope Farrage will stir up the pot ....



posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 04:08 AM
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a reply to: Bassago




Am I missing something here or is democracy dead in the once great United Kingdom?

No , you've pretty much summed it up as it is , your understanding of the Brexit mess with all its twists and turns is complete and yes democracy is dead.


We are an island of giants run by Pygmies.



posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 04:24 AM
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UK politicians campaigned for and the people of UK voted to leave, the political union.
But they found out pretty quickly they will be leaving alot more then they realized.
Democracy didnt die, but forward thinking did



posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 04:35 AM
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a reply to: Bassago

Brexit will equate to continued austerity and probable recession for the next 10 years.

All in all it a silly notion based on lies and immigration issue.

At least that's my take on the matter, from a nation that never voted for Brexit.
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posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 04:39 AM
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a reply to: gortex

To be accurate through "the United Kingdom is a unitary state with devolution that is governed within the framework of a parliamentary democracy under a constitutional monarchy in which the monarch, currently Queen Elizabeth II, is the head of state while the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom".

True Democracy was never the colour of our day, no matter which way we try and spell it.



posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 04:41 AM
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originally posted by: Jubei42
UK politicians campaigned for and the people of UK voted to leave, the political union.



The politicians campaigned to 'remain'

More than half the people (who could be bothered to vote) voted to leave.



But they found out pretty quickly they will be leaving alot more then they realized.
Democracy didnt die, but forward thinking did


You have stats to prove that?

Every 'forward thinking person' who voted to leave knew exactly what they

voted for....... and they got shafted.
RIP democracy



posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 04:45 AM
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a reply to: Jubei42




Democracy didnt die, but forward thinking did

Forward thinking ?

The ailing EU is on the brink of another recession , forward thinkers can see it coming.

The warning signals are already flashing orange. After a surprisingly strong 2017, the economy weakened substantially last year. When growth almost ground to a halt in the third quarter – and major economies such as Germany and Italy actually shrank – many thought it was just a blip. But the news since then has been ominous. Exports have flagged. Industrial production is falling. Business confidence is down. The blip now looks like a downturn – and if businesses cut back their investment and consumers their spending, it could readily become a recession.

The global context is gloomy. Most of the world economy is weakening. Rising US interest rates and a stronger dollar are weighing on the American economy, as well as on many emerging economies. China’s economy is slowing too. And since the eurozone is unhealthily reliant on exports to grow, all that is harming growth elsewhere harms Europe too.


So, unless domestic demand in the eurozone proves resilient – or receives a timely boost from policymakers – a deteriorating external environment could easily tip the economy into recession. According to Absolute Strategy Research, an economic research consultancy, the risk of a recession in the first half of this year is as high as 63%.
brusselstimes.com...


The second largest economy in Europe will not be allowed to leave because we are helping prop up their house of cards.
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posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 04:45 AM
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A blindsided globalist David Cameron resigned afterwards (in humiliation probably.)


No , this country collectively owes Cameron , Wiiliam Hague and others for it's collective independence . ThTey're the ones who had the balls and the Britishness to stick up for us against them . They took the tory party out of the EPP in 2009 and then took the EU stick over the Lisbon Treaty and the bailouts at the EU Council meetings . It was Cameron who stopped the continual selling us out as a nation , to them , the partisan elite , and he stood up to them in various ways before the referendum , which had to be called to stop them controlling our affairs, and making our policy for us.

Cameron , wasn't , isn't , stupid , or an EU lacky, like Major and Blair definitely were , and he himself did not want to stay in Europe given the worsening conditions . He 'campaigned' for remain - and guess what : they lost the referendum . Get the idea ? He wasn't going to go and turn into a Farage figure suddenly , fronting his nationalist ideals and being subject to hate and ridicule by Europhiles , etc and then try and lead the charge , and take the glory . But, a sensible , hero really , delivered a _result_ for the UK's future and then , quietly walked away .
So history doesn't judge Cameron in such simple terms , he primarily helped to engineer the extrication . Calling the
in / out referendum wasn't ever a mistake : the plan has always been to simply get UK policy back to being made in the UK , where it belongs in all honesty . If it wasn;t for the EPP continually consolidating it's sole power over Europe for the last 15-20 years it might have been different .




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