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The Curious Case of Felix Sater

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posted on Apr, 22 2019 @ 02:08 PM

originally posted by: MountainLaurel
Wow...I'm going to have to read this all again, lot's to digest ! Great research, I'll be keeping an eye on this thread.

This hasn’t been the easiest thread to try to put together and outline/show all the parallels and connections but I’m trying my best for the 1-5% on ATS who may actually read this and try to help dig. lol

Kazakhstan seems to have been absent a lot from all this, but their close border to Russia and key players involved in the creation of IRA (in Mueller’s report) being tied to this Foundation which formed during Clinton’s Skolkovo US-Russian push. It’s all a bit much. And Clinton certainly benefited even though it doesn’t seem like it, by catching Trump up in a Russia scandal with people who also have ties to her, shifting the public focus away from her emails and the contents of the Weiner laptop, and her portrayal as a victim instead of a potentially guilty party.

Anyway, this is where my brain is spinning.
Thoughts are appreciated.
edit on 22-4-2019 by ucanthandlethetruth because: (no reason given)

posted on Apr, 22 2019 @ 11:15 PM
We already know based on the interview Sater gave BuzzFeed in their article in early 2018 that he has gone "undercover as a money launderer" as far back as 2005.

He went undercover in Cyprus and Istanbul to catch Russian and Ukrainian cybercriminals around 2005. After the FBI set him up with a fake name and background, Sater posed as a money launderer to help nab the suspects for washing funds stolen from US financial institutions.

Thanks to BTA Bank's lawsuit filed less than a month ago, we know Sater met Muhktar Ablyazov at the wedding of Ilyas and Madina, with Ilyas being the son of the Khrapunov family and Madina the daughter of the Ablyazov's. The wedding took place in Sept of 2007.
BTA Bank v Felix Sater lawsuit
The lawsuit then states on pg. 22,

"On information and belief, at the wedding or shortly thereafter, Sater became aware of Ablyazov's multibillion-dollar scheme to defraud BTA."

There is another detail in the article about Sater using a December 2007 NYTimes Bayrock article regarding him using the article's negative publicity about him to push Khrapunov into deals.

The law firm which Giuliani worked with from 2005-2016 was "one of the few prominent U.S. firms in 2007 with an office in Kazakhstan. This article also states "Multiple people with knowledge of the KazBay deal describe Bracewell & Giuliani's work as limited to creating a tax structure that worked to reduce tax exposure and benefit investors in Switzerland, the United States and Kazakhstan."

Let's recap more of this timeline now:

2002-? - Sater is working for Tevfik Arif/Bayrock Group at Trump Tower
mid-2000 - Arif introduced Sater to Viktor Khrapunov, the then-mayor of Almaty, not long after meeting their son, Ilyas
June 2005 - Frank Giustra and Bill Clinton meet on a philanthropic event to Mexico and Colombia organized by Clinton Foundation
Sept 2005 - Frank Giustra and Bill Clinton travel to Kazakhstan and meet with the President for ritzy event dinner; HIllary Clinton is Senator NY
Sept 2005 - Frank Giustra/Urasia Energy gets uranium mining deals with approval by Kazakhstan President Nazarbayev and Muhktar Ablyazov, Bank Chairman BTA Bank (2005-09)

As an interesting side note, we find out from this article Hillary Clinton, former Senator for New York and then-member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, threatened to withhold aid to Kazakhstan unless and until the UrAsia mining deal went forward amid political bureaucracy inside Kasakhstan.

Nov 2005 - Urasia goes public in IPO; valued at $500 million CAN; Giustra had paid $75 million and $350 million for a 30% and 70% stake in three uranium mines
2005 - Sater poses as a money launderer to get Russia/Ukraine cybercriminals
February 2006 - Frank Giustra donates $31.3 million to the Clinton Foundation.
August 2006 - FBI Director Robert Mueller, in conjunction with the CIA reportedly begins an investigation into uranium smuggling/corruption from the former Soviet Republics.
February 2007 The head of Kazatomprom, Mukhtar Dzhkishev, meets with Bill Clinton at his Chappaqua residence to work out a new business deal with Frank Giustra; Also that same month, Uranium One buys UrAsia Energy Ltd for $3.1 billion. However, this was not a typical purchase, but a reverse merger. Giustra and his associates maintained a 60% controlling interest in UrAsia Energy Ltd. Giustra and associates announce a recurring commitment to donate $100 million and half of future profits to the Clinton Foundation. The deal would ultimately result in an estimated $145 million in contributions to the Clinton Foundation.
Sept 2007 - Sater meets Ablyazov at Ablyazov's daughter's and the Khrapunov's son's wedding; BTA Bank alleges Sater learned about the alleged scam Ablyazov defrauding BTA Bank around this time
Dec 2007 - NYTimes publishes article Bayrock Sater allegations; Sater according to lawsuit uses his negative publicity in article to push Khrapunovs for more deals
2008 - Looming 2008 global financial crisis; Khrapunovs flee Kazakhstan
2009 - Ablyazov flees Kazakhstan; auditors find $10 billion shortfall on bank's books
2010-2012 - BTA Bank has to file bankruptcy and restructure $11.6 billion in debt; in 2012, restructured another $11 billion
2010 - Sater is still working at Trump Tower for Bayrock Group, two offices down from Trump
2008-2013 - BTA Bank accuses Sater in lawsuit of laundering money for these parties
2017 - Sater testifies for Mueller investigation under a proffer agreement; Trump fires Comey; Mueller appointed Special Counsel
2018 - Sater has to "out" his cover as a deep FBI asset/information; Judge rules to finally unseal his files after a decade
2019 - Cohen testifies BTA Bank paid him to try and track down the stolen funds; BTA Bank sues Felix Sater for laundering money for the Khrapunovs and Ablyazovs; After Sater is hit with a lawsuit by BTA Bank for allegations of laundering some of this money (and some through Trump properties), the House Committee reschedules his testimony (no date yet given)??

Sergi Kurzin, interestingly, is the person stated to be responsible for arranging the Clinton-Giustra-Urasia Energy deal, and guess who that guy is tied to? Marc Rich, the international fugitive President Bill Clinton pardoned his last day in office.

The Panama Papers then get interesting. According to the Daily Caller, link

A slew of new connections have emerged between the Clintons and companies that used offshore accounts set up by the Panamanian law firm, Mossack Fonseca. Some of the names found in the Panama Papers, which were reviewed by McClatchy Newspapers, have been tied to the Clintons in other scandals...

They include Canadian mining magnate Frank Giustra, who was a major focus of last year’s expose, “Clinton Cash.” A company started by Marc Rich, the international fugitive who was pardoned by Bill Clinton, is also included among the 11.5 million Panama Papers trove. As are two firms tied to Ng Lap Seng, the Chinese billionaire implicated in a major donor scandal involving the Clintons and the Democratic National Committee.

Maybe I'll be able to add more tonight. But I haven't had a chance to dig into the China aspect here of the DNC, and China's ties to any of the Russia or Kazakh individuals named throughout.

edit on 22-4-2019 by ucanthandlethetruth because: fixed

posted on Apr, 22 2019 @ 11:33 PM
I forgot to add that further on in the Daily Caller article, it states the person referenced in the Panama Papers tied to the Clintons is Kurzin, who purportedly arranged the Giustra-Clinton-Nazarbayev meeting, but was also a shareholder in the Urasia Energy deal in 2005. (Remember, Marc Rich was pardoned in 2001, so this was only four years later.)

A Russian businessman who was reportedly involved in setting up Clinton’s trip with Giustra is also linked to companies named in the Mossack Fonseca records. Sergei Kurzin is tied to several oil companies listed in the papers, according to McClatchy. The mysterious financier — who reportedly pledged $1 million to the Clinton Giustra Sustainable Growth Initiative and gave at least $50,000 directly to the Clinton Foundation — has several connections to players in the Clinton world. Besides dealings with Giustra, he also helped Marc Rich develop business relationships in Russia.

According to the Hillary Clinton Panama Papers Wikipedia page - Link

Sergei Kurzin, another UrAsia shareholder in the uranium deal, worked closely with [Marc] Rich in the 1990s, looking for opportunities in the former Soviet Union when it opened to mining and oil investment. Kurzin has given the Clinton Foundation between $50,000 and $100,000, and appears in the Panama Papers as the director and chairman of several oil companies. In a 2009 interview, Kurzin told Forbes he gave the Clinton-Giustra Sustainable Growth Initiative Foundation, which works to eliminate poverty in areas of the developing world affected by mining, "a check for a million dollars."

posted on Apr, 22 2019 @ 11:56 PM
Where does, oddly, the law firm name Mossack Fonseca referenced here in the Clinton Panama Papers section also turn up? Wait for it.

Gabrielle Fialkoff was Hillary Clinton's campaign manager in her first Senate campaign and finance director for Clinton's 2000 campaign, which was managed by Fialkoff's longtime friend, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio. Fialkoff currently serves as di Blasio's senior adviser and director of NYC's Office of Strategic Partnerships. After serving as Haskell's president and chief operating officer, she chaired de Blasio's inauguration and led New York's unsuccessful bid to host the Democratic National Convention in 2016.[18] Fialkoff, her brother Brett, and her late father Frank were all listed in leaker Panama Papers documents as shareholders of UPAC Holdings Ltd, a British Virgin Islands offshore company incorporated in June 2012 and registered in Beijing. Brett Fialkoff, Haskell's COO, told McClatchy: he didn't know why his family would be in the documents, someone opened an account in their names, he set up the company to export accessories from China to the United States.[..
He declined to provide details about his compliance with U.S. tax laws, saying "There is no money ... we're not like Vladimir Putin, trying to hide our money."[5] The most recent Mossack Fonseca information—December 2015—shows the company, registered in the British Virgin Islands remains active. Brett Failkoff acknowledged the company is still "legally alive" but said it does not and has never conducted any business.[5] Fialkoff has been a regular donor to Democratic candidates, including Clinton, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, and has donated between $250 and $1,000 to the Clinton Foundation.

Well, turns out one of the guys named in Trump's Executive Order on Human Trafficking, Dan Gertler, is also tied to this law firm Mossack Fonseca.

Dan Gertler

Dan Gertler (born December 1973) is an Israeli billionaire businessman in natural resources and the founder and President of the DGI (Dan Gertler International) Group of Companies. He has diamond and copper mining interests in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) and has invested in iron ore, gold, cobalt, oil, agriculture, and banking.[2] As of 2015 his fortune was estimated at $1.26 billion by Forbes.[3] Gertler's deals have been under scrutiny by the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank since 2012. He has been described as controversial.[4] The Panama papers revealed deals carried out through Mossack Fonseca shell companies, among his many offshore companies. Effective 21 December 2017, US President Donald Trump issued Executive Order 13818 implementing the Global Magnitsky Human Rights Accountability Act and listed Gertler in the Annex, resulting in the blocking of his assets under U.S. jurisdiction as a result of these sanctions.[5]

Mossack Fonseca

Mossack Fonseca & Co. was a Panamanian law firm and corporate service provider. It was, at one time, the world's fourth largest provider of offshore financial services. From its 1977 foundation until the April 2016 publication of the Panama Papers it remained mostly obscure, even though it sat at the heart of the global offshore industry, and acted for about 300,000 companies. More than half are registered in British tax havens – as well as in the UK. The firm received worldwide media attention in April 2016, when the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists published information about its clients' financial dealings in the Panama Papers articles, following the release of an enormous cache of its documents from between 1970 and 2015 leaked to the news media. Journalist Daphne Caruana Galizia, who led the disclosure efforts, was subsequently murdered by a car bomb on October 16, 2017.

On March 14, 2018, the law firm announced that it was shutting down, because of the economic and reputational damage inflicted by the disclosure of its role in global tax evasion by the Panama Papers.

edit on 22-4-2019 by ucanthandlethetruth because: fixed

posted on Apr, 23 2019 @ 01:11 AM
There was a ton of new information I had to work to verify from this Canada Free Press article/timeline regarding the Uranium One "scandal" and then lay it on top of the timeline we already have.

It's really starting to paint a picture of the potentially long involvement of Rosenstein and Mueller in this uranium mess. Mueller, who was FBI Director from 2001-13 and more likely than not would have heard of Sater's assistance to the government at least one point or two throughout his career.

So what would Mueller have been thinking hearing or reading all of these articles regarding Sater somehow helping Trump collude with Russians, assuming he would know of Sater?

All of this information below is pertinent to this thread, sourced from the Canada Free Press, and was also sourced elsewhere.

August 2008 - Then FBI Director Robert Mueller was notified of alleged corruption and bribery involving a Uranium One and Rosatom State Atomic Energy Corporation deal in the state of Wyoming and elsewhere.
January 20, 2009 - Barack Hussein Obama becomes the 44th President of the United States.
January 29, 2009 - Hillary Rodham Clinton becomes the U.S. Secretary of State.
February 3, 2009 Eric Holder becomes U.S. Attorney General
June 4, 2009 - Rosatom State Atomic Energy Corporation (Rosatom) established in 2007, the regulatory body that controls the Russian nuclear arsenal, secures a 17% ownership stake in Uranium One, marking the beginning of an aggressive campaign to control the U.S. uranium market. The head of Roasatom is Sergei KirIyenko, former energy minister and then prime minister of Russia (the latter during the Clinton presidency).
Note: Rosatom also built the Bushehr nuclear reactors in Iran and supplies Iran with uranium.
2009 - Wikileaks Revelations: Diplomatic cables sent to Hillary Clinton in 2009 and during her tenure as Secretary of State confirmed that she knew of Moscow’s nuclear ambitions via Rosatom in Ukraine and Kazakhstan, and knew that Russian military intelligence (GRU) was directly behind these nuclear ambitions.
June 9, 2009 - Kazakhstan government arrests head of Kazatomprom (former Clinton Chappaqua guest Mukhtar Dzhkishev) on charges related to Uranium One deal corruption. The reason? Putin wanted the uranium in Kazakhstan and put pressure on Kazakhstan’s dictator to keep his hands off the uranium. This prompted the arrest Dzhkishev and jeopardized the sale of Kazakhstan’s uranium to Rosatom. The Clinton State Department intervened. Hillary Clinton used her position to threaten to withhold financial aid to Kazakhstan, which resulted in the Rosatom purchase to proceed.
June 12, 2009 - Rod Rosenstein reportedly begins an investigation into bribery and corruption regarding Uranium One and Rosatom deals. It is important and perhaps relevant to note the existence of the FBI informant William Campbell who was “outed” by U.S. intelligence and whose name was provided to the media in November 2017.

The reason for Rosenstein’s involvement is simple and relates to the existence of the government whistleblower (Mr. Campbell).

More importantly, the informant learned from Mikerin (and others) that Russian nuclear officials were trying to penetrate the inner circles of Bill and Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation.

Not surprisingly at this point, this ties into the publicly available reports now that the 2010 Russian spies expelled were trying to get close to Hillary Clinton. One, a woman, reportedly had gotten fairly close according to this more recent article from The Hill.

September 21, 2009 - Robert Mueller, then-FBI Director, personally delivers a 10-gram sample of highly-enriched uranium to the Russian government at the behest of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. This was learned through Wikileaks via Twitter (on May 17, 2017) in reference to a State Department cable. The uranium was allegedly confiscated from smugglers in Georgia, although raising legitimate questions about the role of Mueller with the Clintons and Uranium One.

Notably, Wikileaks released the controversial cable on May 17, the same day that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein tapped Mueller as an “independent” counsel to investigate any supposed Trump-Russian ties.

Mid 2009 through Late 2010 - While Secretary of State, Hillary Rodham Clinton intervenes on multiple occasions on behalf of Uranium One/Rosatom and the inner workings of the transfer of the sale of U.S. uranium assets in her official capacity.
June 2010 - U.S. intelligence agents break up Russian spy ring in the U.S., arresting ten-(10) sleeper agents/spies.

The Hill - 'The Case For Russian Collusion Against the Democrats'

The FBI had equal concern about Rosatom’s acquisition of Uranium One. An informer named William Douglas Campbell had gotten inside the Russian nuclear giant in 2009 and gathered evidence that Rosatom’s agents in the United States were engaged in a racketeering scheme involving kickbacks, extortion and bribery. Campbell also obtained written evidence that Putin wanted to buy Uranium One as part of a strategy to obtain monopolistic domination of the global uranium markets, including leverage over the U.S.
Campbell also warned that a major in-kind donor to the Clinton Global Initiative was simultaneously working for Rosatom while the decision for U.S. approval was pending before Hillary Clinton’s department. Ultimately, her department and the Obama administration approved the transaction.

The evidence shows the Clintons financially benefited from Russia — personally and inside their charity — at the same time they were involved in U.S. government actions that rewarded Moscow and increased U.S. security risks.

The intersections between the Clintons, the Democrats and Russia carried into 2016, when a major political opposition research project designed to portray GOP rival Donald Trump as compromised by Moscow was launched by Clinton’s presidential campaign and brought to the FBI.

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posted on Apr, 23 2019 @ 01:21 AM
Another article from the Hill was back in 2017, 'FBI Watched, Then Acted As Russian Spy Moved Closer To Hillary Clinton'

As Hillary Clinton was beginning her job as President Obama’s chief diplomat, federal agents observed as multiple arms of Vladimir Putin’s machine unleashed an influence campaign designed to win access to the new secretary of State, her husband Bill Clinton and members of their inner circle, according to interviews and once-sealed FBI records. Some of the activities FBI agents gathered evidence about in 2009 and 2010 were covert and illegal.

Other activities were perfectly legal and sitting in plain view, such as when a subsidiary of Russia’s state-controlled nuclear energy company hired a Washington firm to lobby the Obama administration. At the time it was hired, the firm was providing hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in pro bono support to Bill Clinton’s global charitable initiative, and it legally helped the Russian company secure federal decisions that led to billions in new U.S. commercial nuclear business, records show.

There is not one shred of doubt from the evidence that we had that the Russians had set their sights on Hillary Clinton’s circle, because she was the quarterback of the Obama-Russian reset strategy and the assumed successor to Obama as president,” said a source familiar with the FBI’s evidence at the time, speaking only on condition of anonymity, because he was not authorized to speak to the news media.

Figliuzzi supervised the post-arrest declassification and release of records from a 10-year operation that unmasked a major Russian spy ring in 2010. It was one of the most important U.S. counterintelligence victories against Russia in history, and famous for nabbing the glamorous spy-turned-model Anna Chapman.

While Chapman dominated the headlines surrounding that spy ring, another Russian woman posing as a mundane New Jersey accountant named Cynthia Murphy was closing in on accessing Secretary Clinton’s department, according to records and interviews.

The only logical sense I can make of all these different puzzle pieces is

- the Russian hoax was orchestrated with help
- it may have helped to delay some of the investigations and/or decade-long sting, if this was one, of all the parties involved in this entire mess
- Sater was immersed in all of this to gain intel and feed it on to his handler(s); not so much to go out and be a big criminal himself, though I doubt he minded making the money and running around acting like a mobster, building on the rep of slashing a guy's face with a margarita glass he smashed on the bar first

posted on Apr, 23 2019 @ 01:38 AM
Coincidently, the very same day BTA Bank files their lawsuit against Sater, Breitbart releases another article reminding the public three days post-Mueller report completion, the Uranium One deal was never fully investigated.
[url=]Breitbart[/ur l]

To summarize the points of this article the mainstream media it quotes will actually verify as fact, we know:

1. Hillary Clinton violated the Memorandum of Understanding she signed with the Obama administration promising to disclose all foreign donations during her tenure as Sec. of State.

2. Revealed in the Book Clinton Cash, Ian Telfer, the foreign head of the Russian-owned uranium company, Uranium One, which Hillary Clinton approved to acquire U.S. uranium, made four individual hidden donations to the Clinton Foundation totaling $2.35 million, none of which appear in Clinton Foundation disclosures.

3. The New York Times confirmed Clinton Cash book claim, “The sale gave the Russians control of one-fifth of all uranium production capacity in the United States." The Times also verifies the book’s reporting that Hillary’s uranium transfer to Russia represented, at the time, a projected 50% of all U.S. uranium output.

Think about this. While all of this is going on, Sater is in close with Ablyazov, who approved the original mining rights for Urasia Energy, which later did the reverse-merger with Uranium One. He's in close with him when the Uranium One scandal breaks, and his cover as an FBI informant isn't blown. He seems like a money launderer and he is, in fact, likely laundering money.

posted on Apr, 23 2019 @ 01:52 AM
a reply to: ucanthandlethetruth

What a saga. I can't help but read over this several times. May I ask what put you onto Sater in the first place?

Kind regards,


posted on Apr, 23 2019 @ 04:10 AM

originally posted by: bally001
a reply to: ucanthandlethetruth

What a saga. I can't help but read over this several times. May I ask what put you onto Sater in the first place?

Kind regards,


Like I said in the OP, he’s kind of been this off-on theme used in the media to trash Trump with all his “Russia” ties, but his work for the US intelligence agencies vs. his street rep make him quite the character.

posted on Apr, 23 2019 @ 10:35 PM
Just because I'm in a funky mood, I'm going to throw the curveball in here. Then I'll get back to the remaining loose threads and what I still haven't drilled down on here in what I've researched for months.

Here's the curveball.

Stella Bulochnikov Stolper, a television producer and onetime agent for Mariah Carey, says Sater is a former family friend who gained unauthorized access to her computers when he was staying at her home in Calabasas, California, after they reconnected in November 2017, according to a lawsuit filed Friday in U.S. District Court in Brooklyn, New York. Sater, in a telephone interview, disputed the claims.

I can't tell if this is a slander lawsuit that has no basis, or if he would have indeed hacked her, why?
The official story is he was trying to get some kind of "in" with Hollywood insiders to make a movie about his life.
How would hacking her have helped achieve that? It's unclear.

After Sater finally moved out of her Southern California home on Oct. 26, 2018, Stolper said she learned that Sater and Kam had gained unauthorized remote access to her computers and devices that allowed Sater to retrieve her digital and electronic files, including access to her contracts with studios and talent, client deals, scripts, treatments, contracts and other protected intellectual property.

She seems super hyped about getting her stolen data back. lol
Link to lawsuit document

Key excerpts

I can't find a clear picture of what Wikked Entertainment really is, or how Ms. Stolper was paying the mortgage at such a decent house in Calabass. Decent is obvious sarcasm. According to Zillow, it's been on the market for 321 days. Which means it was listed around June 6, 2018.

Wikked Entertainment has 3 Locations listed here, Calabass being her home according to the filed lawsuit. A fine home, indeed. Zillow

According to the lawsuit, Sater and Stolper had lost touch but reconnected at a funeral in Nov 2017.
According to the lawsuit, their relationship had "deteriorated" in the fall of 2018.
But this house was listed for sale a couple months earlier.

I can't make sense of it.

I'll get back to what I haven't covered in the thread yet. But isn't that odd?
And hacking this company to get close to Hollywood?

If anyone has thoughts, I'm all ears.

posted on Apr, 23 2019 @ 11:30 PM
Alright, Sergei Kurzin seems to be linked to all of this, so I'm going to spend a few minutes highlighting him in the midst of all of this.

Forbes interviewed him in 2009, April actually.

Keep in mind at this point Clinton has just been confirmed as Secretary of State, and has been in her role approx. two months.

Allegedly, by this time Sater has met and gotten close to Ablyazov, the man who signed the uranium mining rights deal for Frank Guistra (along with the Kazakh President Nazarbayev's approval) which Bill Clinton and the Clinton Foundation seemed to benefit from financially then and later; the Urasia energy deal which morphed into Uranium One by the end of 2007. The Uranium One company which became tied to Rosatom, then fully owned by them, who was tied to Kazatomprom, the world's largest uranium producer which is headquartered in Kazakhstan.

Bob Mueller is still FBI Director, but only just getting accustomed to the new Obama administration post-Bush.

By this time, we know there was an FBI information in the midst of this Uranium One deal.

I don't remember exactly how many times I met President Clinton," Kurzin told me as we sat in the London Mayfair offices of his mining companies, Orsus Metal and Oriel Resources. The 47-year-old mini oligarch, who made a fortune in the mining business, blames age for the occasional memory lapses. "I am getting old," he said.

Kurzin has dual British-Russian citizenship and lives in the picturesque seaside resort of Rye (beloved by American writer Henry James) with his wife, Jennifer, and two sons. The Kurzin family also has a nice piece of property in Italy and excellent connections in Kazakhstan and Russia.

Funds raised privately by Kurzin and Giustra before UrAsia's IPO also went to the sellers of additional shares of an unknown private Kazakh-owned partnership. Two years later, in February 2007, UrAsia Energy was purchased by Uranium One for $3.1 billion.

"Clinton had nothing to do with the project," argues Kurzin, a tall man in an expensive dark navy suit. He became tense and could barely contain his anger when the former president's name came out of my mouth. "You're trying to nail Clinton because his wife became the Secretary of State, but there's nothing about the trip to Kazakhstan that will help you do it. The business I'm in doesn't work this way," he added shaking his head.

Let's wrap our brains around this and make it really clear. Giustra was able to pay $75 million and another $350 million in 2005 for a deal to three uranium mines, a $425 million investment, then two months later take it public in an IPO and clear a $79 million profit when it's valued at $504 million CAN. Then that's chump change compared to the cool profit of $2.596 billion (I think my math's right) he got in the reverse-merger with Uranium One in 2007.

If Kurzin was a shareholder, as he admits to in this Forbes interview, he profited as well when it merged.

The cool $100 million donation seems like chump change, but it went toward the creation of the Clinton-Giustra Sustainable Growth Initiative Foundation later that year, right after the 2007 merger.

What's odd about the terms of the donation are:
1. Guistra's donation not only was the $100 million which came after the first initial $30+ million donation, was the commitment to half the resource profits his companies earned for the rest of his life.

2. Carlos Slim Helu, the Mexican businessman, for some reason felt compelled to make a matching donation. What did he get out of it, or think he was getting out of it?

Are we supposed to believe any of these rich A-holes donate amounts like $100 million, even if they are making billions in profit over two-year deals, if they just think it's going to fight poverty in some third-world country? Eh, I guess it's possible. Just a tad unlikely. Especially when you factor in the fact donations to the Clinton Foundation fell to a 15-year low in 2017, after she lost in the 2016 election. The lowest it had been since 2002. But we're supposed to believe none of these persons donating believed they were going to receive any kind of special access or favor or be compensated in some way? Link
This was written on Dec 13, 2018, so about four months ago

Interestingly, from this article I find out there WAS a Hearing scheduled for December 5, 2018 which has a status of Postponed. It is titled 'Oversight of Nonprofit Organizations: A Case Study on the Clinton Foundation'

Back to, and then we'll move back on to Sater. Keep in mind if he was working closely with Ablyazov and the Khrapunovs during this time, they would have known all about this Uranium One deal, maybe even about the Clinton Foundation. Sater would have had eyes into what role the Clintons played in Kazakhstan when this went down, if he is playing his role as an undercover informant, which I think we can safely assume. Though I guess one can still debate he just decided to be a criminal again. Seems unlikely. More like an asset being told he should remain in his role, launder the money for them, and continue to get intel, learn info, get it documented...

So, the Open Secrets article states the Clinton Foundation is under investigation again by the FBI and DOJ as of Jan 2017, and links to the Hill article John Solomon wrote in Jan of 2018. So I'm wondering if Open Secrets meant 2017, or if they are alluding to the investigation being opened as soon as President Trump was sworn in, (or even before?)

Under scrutiny as the 2016 presidential election heated up, the foundation amended six years of tax returns for the 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013 fiscal years. Changes included reporting previously undisclosed contributions and grants from foreign governments, updating reporting for revenue from speeches, listing related entities and changing the donors reported in the Form 990 Schedule B. The Clinton Health Access Initiative also amended its tax returns on file with the IRS for 2012 and 2013 after errors were identified. Some of the Clinton Foundation’s amendments led to criticism about the revelation that the foundation may have failed to comply with an ethics agreement Hillary Clinton signed with before becoming President Barack Obama’s secretary of state.

I'll have to continue in another post after this one.

posted on Apr, 24 2019 @ 12:32 AM
(Continuation from Open Secrets)

Millions of dollars in newly disclosed grants from foreign governments in the amended tax returns under scrutiny for potentially going against an earlier promise and presenting potential conflicts of interest for Hillary Clinton.

After Hillary Clinton became Secretary of State, she pledged that the Clinton Foundation would no longer take money from foreign governments. Starting in 2010, the Foundation had reported on three consecutive IRS tax returns that it received no donations from foreign government sources despite reporting tens of millions of dollars from foreign governments in prior years.

The Clinton Foundation’s newly revealed foreign money included funds from Qatar, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia — raising even more concerns when she became a viable presidential contender in the 2016 election.

There are interesting connections between Qatar's SWF (Sovereign Wealth Fund), the Qatar Investment Authority, all the way to Miramax Films, all the way to the Weinstein brothers who are found in many pictures online with Hillary Clinton.

But that's not the point of this thread. I just want to point out again it was another SWF, Samruk-Kazyna, formed in 2008 in Kazakhstan which ended up buying out 97% of BTA Bank, which is suing Felix Sater for money laundering some of the money allegedly stolen from them by Ablyazov/Khrapunovs. Sorry, there's so many names and things I feel like I have to keep clarifying.

SWFs are managing trillions of dollars at any given time.

Next post I'll go into why I think the weird "hacking" lawsuit Sater is getting from Stolper could be tied into Weiner's laptop.
I know... if anyone is even reading all this, suspend your doubt for a few minutes. But it's as good a theory as any.

How was she affording that house? Wikked Entertainment doesn't seem to be doing much I can find record of to be rolling in the dough and paying a mortgage on a $4 million home.

When the FBI Vault began releasing their files on Hillary Clinton through FOIA, I think it was late 2016. These have been a rolling release of "dumps" in their Vault, with Part 30 hitting the web on Mar 1, 2019. Not even two months ago.

This dump of files clearly shows the Hillary investigation was nowhere near complete as we were nearing voting day on November 8, 2016. In fact, the warrant and seizure of Anthony Weiner's laptop through the NYPD and which then went to the NY FBI office, took place in late September and the Part 30 of 31 Vault records showcase another Warrant being signed by a Judge on October 30, 2016, with the election basically a week away. Difference being this Warrant was for the approval and scope to search ALL of the laptop, not just records related to the original warrant for Weiner records only related to CP activities based on a Daily Mail article where a teenager admitted to having a relationship over text with him.

While I have no proof, I believe Comey was either forced by the DOJ or Lynch or even O himself to write the letter on November 6, 2016 stating the conclusions hadn't changed because there was a highly contentious and volatile election coming up in two days and I don't think the FBI had ever been in such a highly polarized and political position.

Consider it for a second. For the first time we know of in our nation's history, a week before we would all go to the voting booths, the FBI was investigating members of the Trump campaign and surveilling, for lack of a better word, Carter Page, among others, while Anthony Weiner's laptop had caused the reopening of the already controversial Clinton "Oh God her emails" scandal in the eleventh hour. Both presidential candidates were being investigated by some or most of our intelligence agencies for different reasons.

We already know Clinton was a magnet before and during her role as Secretary of State for Russian spies, based on new reports now clarifying the real story of the 2010 Russian spy ring. Based on Mueller's report, we aren't aware of any Russian spies in Trump's orbit during the 2016 election. Though if you search for them, you can find early 2016 articles about Clinton fundraiser art events with one Russian's daughter who took a liking to Mrs. Clinton during this past election.

So let's think about this. Sater is an undercover FBI informant living in NY all his life. He's likely gotten to know the FBI agents in the NY office pretty well by now, one could logically assume, if he's been working with them on cases for the past two decades. They were the office according to the IG Horowitz's report getting frustrated they weren't hearing back from Washington as far as what to do about the Weiner laptop in early October 2016.

Let's FF to assuming the Weiner investigation went on, Weiner supplied information for a lesser sentence, who knows. But it's interesting that after all this time, Sater happens to reunite with this old friend at a funeral and latch on to her enough that over a period of months, he gains private access to her home, business, records, and has "back doors" allegedly installed in her systems. How was she making her money? How is Hollywood implicated in all this?

posted on Apr, 24 2019 @ 02:03 PM
This Intercept article from Mar 31 of this year tells us more regarding Sater.

His office was on the 26th floor, two down from Trump himself, at Trump Tower.

He was never charged for rent, per Cohen testimony, which given his history of lies, can be taken as maybe true.

Andrew Weismann, one of the members of Mueller’s team, has known Felix Sater for over 20 years, having been the one to sign/approve his original cooperation agreement.

For his part, Sater told The Intercept he didn’t play any role in investigations into Trump, before, during, or after the election. “The FBI has never asked me to provide information about the Trump Organization or Donald Trump at any time,” he said. “There was never any connection with me from my case and the Trump investigation other than during interviews with Mueller.” Sater also said he never used his role as a senior advisor to Trump to carry out law enforcement work. Though, he would not say whether he signed an “otherwise illegal activity” — an authorization from the Department of Justice to violate the law in the context of an investigation — which, in some instances, requires review by the director of the FBI. (Mueller was FBI director from 2001 until 2013, when Sater was cooperating with the bureau.)

Here’s the part of this recent article I found to be most interesting:

At Sater’s sentencing in 2009 — 11 years after he first surrendered — then-prosecutor Kaminsky told the judge: “Felix Slater was one of the best cooperators we worked with. There was nothing he wouldn’t do. No task was too big. He was really helpful and was the key to open a hundred different doors that they couldn’t open prior to that time.” Sater had hired two former Eastern District prosecutors to represent him at that hearing, Leslie Caldwell and Kelly Moore. Both had worked at the U.S. Attorney’s Office at the time he became a cooperator. Caldwell, who went on to become an assistant attorney general in the Obama administration, had represented the government in an early appearance in one of the stock fraud cases for which Sater provided information. “I’m hesitant to use the word redemption, but I think it fits Mr. Sater,” Caldwell told the judge at the sentencing. “I think he has redeemed himself.” She explained that Sater had developed such a close relationship with the FBI that he had been traveling freely to Russia as part of his real estate business for 10 years without being required to report those trips to his handlers, as is generally required for informants. Caldwell closed her remarks on Sater’s character with a prediction. She told the judge that Sater is “not going to appear before this court or any other court again in the context of a criminal case.”

Sater was trusted enough to travel to Russia freely without notifying his FBI handlers. Yet the mainstream media depicted him as a Russian mobster, even given all their FBI “anonymous sources.”

posted on Apr, 24 2019 @ 03:25 PM
Great thread . Pity the players will never see justice in this lifetime .
However , eternal damnation will be justified in the afterlife .
… Now back to watch Kardashian wrinkle cream extreme infomercial …..

posted on Apr, 24 2019 @ 06:30 PM
a reply to: ucanthandlethetruth

With regards to UPAC Holdings Ltd:

Offshore Leaks Database - aka The Panama Papers

As far as Gertler:

In March 2005, Gertler’s DGI (Dan Gertler International) formed a new firm, Global Enterprises Corporate (GEC), in partnership with Benjamin Steinmetz’s Global Resources (BSGR), and with former DRC mines minister, Simon Tuma-Waku, named as a “special adviser”. Steinmetz, also an Israeli citizen, is one of the biggest De Beers sightholders ‒ authorized bulk purchasers of rough diamonds. His name appears in 282 documents in the Panama Papers.

Panama Papers unravel DRC mining concession deals

Offshore Leaks Database - aka The Panama Papers

I've expanded a few of the nodes in the above picture so some of the other shell companies and individuals can be seen.

With regards to Giustra's companies:

Which when all outside nodes are expanded leads to this:

Again, expanding all outside nodes:


Switching gears a bit (although one will see that it's not too different a gear below), with regards to Wikked Entertainment, I can find one movie they were involved with:


Company Number
Incorporation Date
27 October 2009 (over 9 years ago)
Company Type
California (US)
Registered Address

United States

Agent Name
Agent Address
Directors / Officers


Registry Page

Wikked Entertainment]Wikked Entertainment - Open Corporates

Stella has a few credits at IMDB:

Producer (38 credits)
Miscellaneous Crew (5 credits)
Writer (3 credits)
Actress (1 credit)
Thanks (1 credit)
Self (5 credits)

Her income probably derives from, among other things, producer/writer/actress credits in the above mentioned films.

Apparently Mariah Carey sued her in some sort of sexual harassment action, but that has since been settled out of court:

“The parties [have] reached a mutually agreed resolution to this matter,” an attorney for Bulochnikov told the outlet.

Bulochnikov has agreed to “discontinue this action against Mariah Carey with prejudice, with each party to bear its own attorneys’ fees and costs,” according to court documents obtained by The Blast.

At this time, it is not clear whether the deal includes a financial settlement but the lawsuit sought unspecified damages, Page Six said.

Mariah Carey Settles Sexual Harassment Lawsuit with Her Former Manager Stella Bulochnikov

Stella not only looks like a poster child of bad plastic surgery, but she is involved in numerous lawsuits, among them:

Stella Stolper sued her attorney cousin Zarina Burbacki last May and claimed that Burbacki had withheld her money and also bad mouthed her to Mariah. Stolper claimed that Burbacki had been stealing from her cousin and hid around $5 million in funds in a secret bank account which led to her getting fired. According to court papers which were filed in New York on Tuesday, Burbacki denied all the claims and allegations made against her and filed a counter lawsuit.

Mariah Carey's former business manager exposed her breasts to singer's staff and urinated on an assistant, alleges cousin in lawsuit

Wikked Entertainment, Inc. v Burbacki - Lawsuit mentioned above

Another relative(?) of Stellas:

Veteran communications executive Naomi Bulochnikov-Paul has been named VP, Communications for Freeform. She succeeds in the top communications job at the cable network Jori Arancio who last November was recruited as SVP Communications for sibling ABC and ABC Studios.
Before joining Crackle, Bulochnikov served as director, Corporate Communications & TV Publicity for Current TV, where she led publicity efforts for all West Coast programming; was head of Publicity for television production company Wikked Entertainment, director of Public Relations for Ish Entertainment under Lionsgate and senior publicist at VH1. She began her career in communications in 2005 at MTV Networks.
emphasis mine

Freeform Taps Crackle’s Naomi Bulochnikov-Paul As VP Communications

Why do I point out the above reference to Lionsgate?

Lionsgate was formed in 1997 by Frank Giustra and Avi Federgreen with a $16 million investment including another $40 million from other investors which included Keyur Patel and Yorkton Securities' executives such as G. Scott Paterson.[5] Giustra had recently retired as CEO from Yorkton, an investment bank, and Paterson was then president. Giustra then merged Lionsgate with Toronto Stock Exchange listed Beringer Gold Corp. (founded in 1986) to take the company public. Beringer's mining assets were soon sold off.[6][7][8]

Lionsgate - Wikipedia

When talking about tangled webs, it is no surprise to find mining magnates also involved in film production companies.

That's all from me for now, will probably dig around a bit more late on some of the other people and companies you've mentioned.
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edit on 24-4-2019 by jadedANDcynical because: no, really I fixed it this time

posted on Apr, 24 2019 @ 08:39 PM
a reply to: jadedANDcynical

JAC, thank you!

Interesting that the lawsuit states Sater knew Stolper through her friendship with his sister, Regina, in school.
He seemed to make his move in November 2017 to get close to her and hack all of her stuff. Lawsuit alleges they were having a "romantic relationship" but it certainly gives the impression he gained access to her and gained as much intel as he could.

This is from Variety in 2009, showing the person you mentioned as linked to Lionsgate (Giustra) is her sister and was part of Wikked. Link

Also onboard the venture is Naomi Bulochnikov, Stolper’s sister, who has been named head of development for Wikked.

The timing of all this is interesting to me, given the links to Hollywood and Clinton, their obvious support for the DNC. What may have been happening with any investigations Sater may have been working by November 2017, if he was indeed "working" Ms. Stolper for access to Wikked Entertainment, to then gain records on Lionsgate/Giustra....

What is also noteworthy, I think, is the timing of these two lawsuits I also found interesting.

3/1/19 - Stolper files lawsuit against Sater
3/22/19 - Barr announces Mueller report completion
3/25/19 - BTA Bank files lawsuit against Sater; House Committee indefinitely postpones his testimony for their hearing which has still not been rescheduled - blames Mueller report which had yet to even be released
4/18/19 - Full redacted Mueller report released; tiny footnote shows Sater testifed under "proffer agreement"

One thing that may or may not be important. I thought it was interesting when I watched the 30 min video interview Berkeley journalism students had with him and asked about real estate and laundering money. Now, while he could have been lying, he answered that actually real estate is not a great way to launder money. He mentioned the US Treasury and didn't much elaborate, but what he did say was a great and more effective way of laundering money was DIAMONDS. So the association with Gertler and diamonds is interesting, given the fact Trump named him on a Human Trafficking executive order, and money laundering would need to be the way they infuse those funds.

Thanks for the help!

posted on Apr, 24 2019 @ 09:59 PM
In the BuzzFeed article where Sater came "out", so to speak, because he knew the Judge was ruling his files to be unsealed, it's interesting to think how recommitted he must have felt to assist the government after the 9/11 attacks. After all, he had grown up in NY most of his life, coming here as a kid. He was there in the city in his car as it happened.


Sater was driving into Manhattan one fall morning when traffic ground to a halt on a ramp to the Queens–Midtown Tunnel. In the distance, he saw smoke rising from lower Manhattan. The 9/11 attacks shook Sater, and his law enforcement and intelligence handlers urged him to find any information he could. Sometimes, he said, he threatened people, but most of the time he used a different approach: “I'm not that big of a guy and I don't carry a gun. Greed is my go-to weapon. I knew how to tap into that emotion. I would convince them that they're going to make a lot of money with me.”

Consider how convincing Sater could be of anything. Serious attention-to-detail skills. Yet we're supposed to believe he's spent the last few years laundering money as a criminal for the Kazakhstan international fugitives who allegedly committed the largest international fraud ever? One of them being the guy who officially approved/signed the Giustra/Urasia Energy uranium mining rights deal?

He said he told a former Russian intelligence official that the two of them could run banks together and make $200 million. To the Northern Alliance source who had provided bin Laden’s satellite numbers, Sater said he went one step further, persuading the man that he would become the “Alan Greenspan of Afghanistan” and run the country’s federal reserve after the US invasion. Sater said he set up Delaware LLCs in the US — for the “Bank of Kabul” and the “Bank of Afghanistan.” He registered websites to convince the Northern Alliance source that he was serious about his intentions, going so far, he said, as to print out the corporate registrations, adorn them with ribbons, and use a wax stamp to make them seem more official. He said he mailed the documents, and a satellite phone, to the source. Two former Justice Department officials said Sater took these steps without the FBI’s knowledge or authorization, telling his handlers about it only after the fact.

So right after the 9/11 attacks, he's gotta still be highly emotional about it, but he's working with Tevfik Arif on Bayrock. By 2002, or maybe it's 2003, he's doing Bayrock deals licensing the Trump name brand.

Another interesting thing I found is an interview Sater did in Russia shortly after Trump won the election. This was before he was officially publicly outed as as informant or asset, and I had to translate it from Russian to English. This was what I got I found interesting. Link

Q: "And if you did not cooperate, what would be the sentence?
Prison sentence for sure. Of course, I helped to help myself. Of course, I wanted the sentence to be easy. Who wants to go to jail? But I will say: they offered me back in 2000 that there was no time limit. I helped more than 20 charges! I very actively collaborated with the authorities. And even with her husband Hillary Clinton ...

Q: Share, if it is not secret.
I will not go into the details much. But I can tell you that I began the hunt for bin Laden back in 1998. Remember when Clinton launched rocket attacks on bin Laden’s bases, tracking his satellite phone? I brought this data to the American state! And after September 11, work has increased tenfold! I was in the most unpleasant points of the world, with the most dangerous people. Because I am an American citizen and consider myself a patriot of the country. Here some people write bad things about me, although they knew what I was doing. But they didn’t care!

Q: Did you know about your secret service Trump?
I think this was a translation issue, and means to ask did "he know...?"

Knew And very proud.

Q: What are the your functions as a senior adviser to Trump?

So since 2011 I have not been an adviser. I went to another business. He began to engage in treatment technologies for all types of cancer.

Not to get too sidetracked, but this last sentence kinda blew my mind. "treatment technologies for all forms of cancer" after 2011, and we know the only properties Trump really did licensing on was permitting Sater to license his brand for deals.

Why is it interesting if since 2011, he's also been working on cancer research? Well, if you recall the Uncle John he mentioned on the campaign trail, he worked on cancer research. Decades ago. But that's not the point of this thread so I won't bother quoting it. But here's a quick excerpt from a 1988 article sourced on Wikipedia. He had died in 1985.

What's important to this thread is Sater publicly said in a Russian interview shortly after Trump won that Trump knew he did this work for the FBI and was very proud.

SO why would Trump have been dumb enough to associate himself with, and partner with an FBI informant on real estate deals, if he knew money was being laundered? Wouldn't he assume or know he was supposed to look the other way for Sater to do his work? After all, he's only licensing his name, his brand, and it's not really polite to go around asking other people on the other side of deals where their money is coming from. People seem to lose sight of this fact.

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posted on Apr, 25 2019 @ 12:53 AM
Before I add more research to this thread, I want to also explain how the timing of Sater's proffer agreement deal with Mueller's team seems to fall in with the theory he knew more about what went on with the events leading up to the Uranium One deal.

9/9/17 - Sater testifies to Mueller Team
12/15/17 - Sater gives second testimony to Mueller Team
2/7/18 - Uranium One FBI Informant Bill Campbell Finally Able to Testify, after he had turned documents over in 2010, almost eight years earlier

The Hill

Campbell gave the congressional committees documents he said he provided to his FBI handlers in 2010 showing that the Russian and American executives implicated in the Tenex bribery scheme specifically asked him to try to help get the Uranium One deal approved by the Obama administration. “In 2010, officials inside Tenex became interested in helping another Rosatom subsidiary, ARMZ, win Obama administration approval to purchase Uranium One, a Canadian company with massive Kazakh and large U.S. uranium assets,” Campbell said. “Although Tenex and ARMZ are separate subsidiaries, Tenex had its own interest in Uranium One. Tenex would become responsible for finding commercial markets and revenue for those uranium assets once they were mined."

“The emails and documents I intercepted during 2010 made clear that Rosatom’s purchase of Uranium One — for both its Kazakh and American assets — was part of Russia’s geopolitical strategy to gain leverage in global energy markets,” he testified. “I obtained documentary proof that Tenex was helping Rosatom win CFIUS approval, including an October 6, 2010 email … asking me specifically to help overcome opposition to the Uranium One deal.”

This seems really important:

Campbell told lawmakers he also gave the FBI “documentary proof that officials in Moscow were obtaining restricted copies of IAEA compliance reports on Iranian nuclear inspections, a discovery that appeared to deeply concern my handlers.”

So we know he [the informant Campbell] infiltrated Rosatom in 2009 and turned over documents in 2010. Let's bump this up against what we know Mueller and Rosenstein were doing during this time.

August 2008 - Then FBI Director Robert Mueller was notified of alleged corruption and bribery involving a Uranium One and Rosatom State Atomic Energy Corporation deal in the state of Wyoming and elsewhere.

June 12, 2009 - Rod Rosenstein reportedly begins an investigation into bribery and corruption regarding Uranium One and Rosatom deals. It is important and perhaps relevant to note the existence of the FBI informant William Campbell who was “outed” by U.S. intelligence and whose name was provided to the media in November 2017.

September 21, 2009 - Robert Mueller, then-FBI Director, personally delivers a 10-gram sample of highly-enriched uranium to the Russian government at the behest of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. This was learned through Wikileaks via Twitter (on May 17, 2017) in reference to a State Department cable. The uranium was allegedly confiscated from smugglers in Georgia, although raising legitimate questions about the role of Mueller with the Clintons and Uranium One.
Mueller named Special Counsel - exactly the day WikiLeaks dumps State Dept cable regarding her knowledge of the plan Russia had

Mid 2009 through Late 2010 - While Secretary of State, Hillary Rodham Clinton intervenes on multiple occasions on behalf of Uranium One/Rosatom and the inner workings of the transfer of the sale of U.S. uranium assets in her official capacity.
June 2010 - U.S. intelligence agents break up Russian spy ring in the U.S., arresting ten-(10) sleeper agents/spies.

Visual I made

posted on Apr, 25 2019 @ 09:44 AM
a reply to: ucanthandlethetruth

It really looks like Sater is part of a long term sting operation.

I'm mobile right now, so am not able to dig thoroughly at the moment, but when I get home later I will see what more I can shake out.

You've really done a phenomenal job with this thread, I hope others recognize what you've presented here and join in.
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posted on Apr, 25 2019 @ 01:24 PM
Thanks! My fixation and research on Sater for months means I could probably write a book on this dude.

Given the interest here on ATS, or lack of, I don’t think it would sell. Lol

But I do think Sater is an important puzzle piece in this whole mega saga. I just haven’t pieced it all together yet. Hopefully two heads better than one, JAC!

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