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The Curious Case of Felix Sater

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posted on Aug, 24 2019 @ 11:27 AM
Any advice guys? I feel like this is a very "Felix-y move", as Sater would say. But risky nonetheless.

I'll let you know if I get replies. This book may come to fruition after all...
edit on 8/24/2019 by Blaine91555 because: (no reason given)

posted on Aug, 24 2019 @ 11:29 AM
Weird how that post came up double hours later.

posted on Aug, 24 2019 @ 11:45 AM
a reply to: ucanthandlethetruth

Remove his phone number and email address!

posted on Aug, 24 2019 @ 12:42 PM

So are these similarities and protocols that provide cover and
a sort of buffer obviously put in place among western gov.s at a
minimum. Are they not enough indication that people at the top
of western gov.s all using the same policies of cover up and murder
and suicides in the event of possible exposure, all using the same MO
in Belgium as those in the U.S. and all others I'm sure. Isn't this strong
enough indication to the common idiot in denial of this conspiracy's
existence, more than enough to cause their eyes to finally open?

You know what strike that question.

This is the kind of evil that our top dogs (Not all but most) perpetrate on
us as long as we allow them to. No matter how thick the rose colored glasses
are, anyone can see it. One would have to choose not to see it. And that makes
one an enabler in my mind.

How is a world where two little girls are not safe from monsters even
acceptable? All I see is insanity in anyone who thinks western leaders
are civilized people just like the rest of us Anyone who believes for
one god damn second that the leaders of the free world want to keep
us safe? If this is you, you are a pathetic excuse for human being and
you belong in a cell somewhere with these disgusting psychopaths.

I believe if we want a world where this could never happen to any
little girl or boy. Certain bloodlines will have to be eradicated.
But first we need a judge with the authority to do so. Until that
day. This is what we have.


Safe for what their own pleasures?

posted on Aug, 24 2019 @ 01:00 PM
It’s public info so I don’t think he cares JAC but I’ll go ahead and do it

Add: can’t fix from mobile but since it’s on google I’m not too concerned
edit on 8/24/2019 by ucanthandlethetruth because: (no reason given)

posted on Aug, 24 2019 @ 01:05 PM
Anything else you can think of I should ask if given the opportunity?

I don’t want to show him this thread yet. There are times I’ve questioned things and I’m not sure how he would react though, maybe he’s already found it, read it, and knows it is me.

posted on Aug, 24 2019 @ 07:47 PM
Ok, I have been filled with anxiety all day.

Maybe he will just never reply back. lol

God that was just the most bizarre thing. I live a very mild and boring life. I just like digging into things when they warrant my attention and he has for months, off and on I guess now years. Good Lord.

Alright. Robert Maxwell book we learn more on PROMIS from the Israel side. Earlier we learned of it from the US side. Multiple versions of this software with varying backdoors apparently ran amuk, or still do.

I’ll pop on later tonight on the notebook and jot out my notes this far.

posted on Aug, 24 2019 @ 08:23 PM
a reply to: ucanthandlethetruth

Quite an adventure. I'd say you managed to get in front of it along the way.
Hopefully not in the headlights though lol. Not much new here for you but did you see this?

Former Trump Associate Spied For US For More Than A Decade, Unsealed Court Documents Reveal

posted on Aug, 25 2019 @ 12:10 AM
Sorry I got distracted by alcohol.

Ok, p. 36
a company Robert Maxwell acquired was Degem Computers, a software manufacturing company in Tel Aviv. Mostly sold its programs in Central and Southern America. Degem provided cover for kidon, a term for Mossad operatives skilled in wet work to look like accidents, etc. Their travel docs would identify them as Degem employees.

p. 37-38
Mogilevich ties to Maxwell, amazingly. Maxwell arranged for Mogilevich to enter Western financial world in 1988, when Bank of New York had begun aggressive preparations to step into the "post-Communist financial world"

Israel arranged for Mogilevich Israel passport and for 23 of his gang members, yet others such as Edmund Safra, required no such documentation. Safra dined with Maxwell on board the Lady Ghislaine yacht when it was berthed outside Safra's home in Monte Carlo

By 1991, the year of his death, "investors included the heads of the Russian mafiya, who had positioned themselves for the imminent collapse of the Soviet Union." One such name, Mogilevich, had invested in Mogilevich "because they believed it would make it easier to run their affairs including whole-scale drug running, money laundering, trafficking in humans, and gun running.

Side note: I believe Edmund Safra is referenced in that 9/11 2008 doc and also tied to Marc Rich but that's in my head, so I'll need to check if I'm confusing names.

p. 39-40
Maxwell purchased Lady Ghislaine yacht from Adnan Khashoggi's brother for $12 mil. Has 5 decks, private jacuzzi, gym

p. 54

It was in the USA that Rafi Eitan planned to launch an intelligence assault on that most powerful of Israel allies, the United States of America.

It would be an opportunity to show that, while Mossad was no longer a beneficiary to his skills, LAKAM had become a serious player in the intelligence world. The scientific journals published by Robert Maxwell had convinced Eitan that America was the most advanced scientific community in the globe. For LAKAM to obtain even some of the data would be a tremendous coup.

Of particular interest to Rafi Eitan was a report on a piece of software from one of LAKAM's operatives in the United States. It was called Promis. More formally it was known as the Prosecutor's Management Information Systems.

12/19/82 - Eitan flew to US as Dr. Benjamin Orr and that night learned more
- Promis had a staggering 570k lines of code
- it had ability to integrate innumerable databases without requiring any reprogramming

Eitan quickly grasped Promis could convert blind data into information, which in the intelligence community is equal to power. "It could do far more than it had originally been designed for, a device capable of monitoring intelligence operations, agents, and targets."

By Feb 1983, "Dr. Ben Orr" who was really Rafi Eitan was given a presentation of Promis by Bill Hamilton, Inslaw owner. Given tour of offices where Enhanced Promis had been created - "chip by chip, microcircuit by microcircuit"
The software went back to Israel with him

p.61 - Still early 1983
Team of former LAKAM programmers deconstructed the Promis program, rearranging its various components, adding several new elements

Even intelligence operatives who knew little more about computer technology beyond which keys to tap, would, using Promis, be able to access information far more comprehensive than they could ever carry in their heads. A Promis disc could fit a laptop computer and choose from myriad alternatives the logical one. Promis could make millions of decisions in the blink of an eyelid. It would eliminate the need for deductive reasoning because there were too many correct but irrelevant matters to take simultaneously into account for human reasoning alone to suffice. Promis could be programmed to eliminate all superflous lines of inquiry and amass and correlate data at a speed and scale beyond human capability.
The programmers told Eitan there was one final item that needed to be added to the new version of Promis. It required a "trapdoor" - a microchip that would allow Eitan to know what information was being tracked by any purchaser of the system. In theory he could sit in Tel Aviv and keep tabs on the world.

Eitan was cautioned that if they installed the trapdoor it could be traced back to them. In the hostile climate prevailing towards LAKAM, that could cause a problem. They suggested Rafi should use his contacts to find a suitable computer expert outside Israel who could install the microchip.

Eitan reached out to Ari Ben-Menashe. He needed Ari to find him a computer expert who could insert the microchip and guarantee- "that is crucial, an absolute guarantee" - that it would never be discovered.
"It must be the perfect self-destruct" if software were ever completely deconstructed

Ari Ben-Menashe went to Yehuda Ben-Hanan who owned small computer company in California. The microchip for the trapdoor was made.

Then Eitan reached out to Dr. Earl Brian. He had learned Brian was ruthlessly ambitious and had been in Vietnam coincidentally when Bill Hamilton (Inslaw owner) was creating Vietnamese-English dictionary. Brian was involved in Vietnam covert ops. Both Hamilton and Brian ended up in Washington. Eitan had noted Brian's travels under various aliases coming and going from the White House. Eitan also knew Brian had an open door to Justice Dept. run by Edwin Meese

Brian had already launched Hadron company, with its sole asset being a copy of Promis.
Janos Paztor, a freelance market analyst Brian recently met in NY became CEO
Ira Gurston Rosenfeld of Nesbitt-Thompson became the guy to find funding

RCMP - Royal Canadian Mounted Police became Hadron's first client, agreeing to test it in 26 of their field offices across Canada. RCMP field office testing was already underway using Israel version of Promis when Eitan contacted Dr. Earl Brian and had him flown to Israel

Eitan checked what he already knew against what Brian was telling him about his 30 contracts of Brian's US version of Promis, many of them US intel agencies incl. the CIA

NSA was instructed to install Promis in all major wire-transfer clearing houses in the US and Europe, incl. the Clearing House Interbank Payment System in NY (this would be SWIFT and CHIPS) in order "to penetrate banks to combat money-laundering and other criminal activities, and illegal sales of high technology to Soviet Union

Within a month of the Eitan-Brian meeting in Israel, Brian had arranged for Hadron programmers to install Eitan's version of Promis.

I'll try to add more this week. I grew bored of the Global Octopus control book but I'll try to get back to it at some point when I can.

posted on Aug, 25 2019 @ 11:02 PM
I went ahead and just gave him the link to this thread, JAC. It’s not like anyone else is reading this out here. So we said some crazy speculative things at times. At least I know I did. Probably drinking.

There’s parts we can hope he will be gracious enough to ignore.
Knowing nothing speculative is going into any book.

Guys I didn’t want to waste more time on this if 80% of it off quoted news articles isn’t even accurate here. So quickest way to determine right path-wrong path is go to the source and finally just ask.

He’ll just let me know I can write it or I’ll never hear from him again and write a book instead on wacky Epstein. lol

Until then - I’ll be back from time to time here to check in and add stuff if time.

posted on Aug, 26 2019 @ 12:48 AM
Wow, you have incredible drive and dedication.

I can only read a page or two at one setting before my mind starts spinning.

This is probably nothing new for you but I happened to come across a
Felix Sater interview that may be of interest.

posted on Aug, 26 2019 @ 05:34 AM
Yeah I listened to it. It’s interesting. I liked the part about he might write his own book. I’d like to read that.

The risk anyone takes writing something on him is getting things wrong. Even throughout here it’s quoting from articles I don’t know are accurate. So it’s all just a guessing game.

I may be growing weary of guessing and at least here in this thread it’s branched into a lot of extra misc. stuff other than really him.

Maybe he’ll sign up and come chat with you guys for a Q and A. Lol I don’t know. But he’s got it. He’s probably like seriously? lol I was embarrassed to send the link but quickest way to know if you’re focusing on wrong things.

Getting into Epstein and all of that Octopus network isn’t part of a Sater book, so I have been chasing this too long. He will set me straight or I’ll never hear from him again.

posted on Aug, 26 2019 @ 11:38 AM

originally posted by: EndtheMadnessNow
Wow, you have incredible drive and dedication.

I can only read a page or two at one setting before my mind starts spinning.

This is probably nothing new for you but I happened to come across a
Felix Sater interview that may be of interest.

Eh, I don’t know about the drive and dedication part. lol When you find it interesting, it doesn’t feel like a chore. But yeah, this has been a lot of work off and on since 2017 trying to understand what the F was going on. I don’t like not understanding things, but here I am 2019, not sure I’m any closer to making sense of things. So hold off on the accolades. Ha.

posted on Aug, 26 2019 @ 02:33 PM
Update on the National Archives request / review on PROMIS Inslaw docs:

I have been told now I can drive or fly to College Park, MD and review the offline records or pay another researcher to go through them there and make copies of what I want. Or they can xerox every doc at .80 a page and mail to me.

I’d love a road trip for fun but I want to first see if anyone else is looking or has looked more deeply at PROMIS. That’s such a risky subject I’d almost want to hire a bodyguard to go with me. lol

I shouldn’t really mock. RIP Danny Casolaro. So that’s the update on that, guys.

As far as FOIA request for Sater, not a response yet.

posted on Aug, 28 2019 @ 11:40 PM
And suddenly, Feliz Sater is in the news.

Trump associate Felix Sater says president wanted to use his CIA, FBI work on campaign trail

Curious indeed.

posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 07:02 PM
I’m too lazy and on my mobile so just twitter link but compare these two docs.
What do you see?

Admittedly I’m being a trifling c#nt to Louise Mensch on Twitter but all’s fair in war. The lady who isn’t even an American called me a Russian bot when I asked her a Sater question. She was on a Sater-Mogilevich warpath...

Anyway enough with my apology on being sarcastic here. The point is the docs. Who sees what I see?


posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 07:55 PM
a reply to: ucanthandlethetruth

Louise Mensch is a agent provocateur.
Sorcha Fall in British clothing.

posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 08:43 PM
Yeah I can’t stand her. Feeding bullsh*t to the gullible.

posted on Aug, 29 2019 @ 08:58 PM
I think I’ll also share these two links because they are important and some of you may avoid Twitter like the plague. (I did for years.)



posted on Aug, 30 2019 @ 07:25 AM
It’s very tempting to seek out a lawyer. I keep getting blocked left and right because she’s naming me repeatedly as a Russian bot or troll. Normally I wouldn’t give a # but I’m actually out there trying to spread information I believe to be highly accurate and getting targeted by her isn’t helping. I’m pissed off.

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