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Cubans: Personified Warnings of Socialist Evils the Left Loves to Ignore

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posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 10:00 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Akragon

Somehow ... when my dad had his replaced, his bills worked out to quite a bit less than that. Huh ...

So here's the thing - what you sacrifice in terms of flexibility and immediacy, you sacrifice. In order not not have a bill in the mail, you pay through the nose in taxes, wait forever for procedures and have sometimes drastically limited options available.

So, we get a bill, but we have more variety, more immediacy, sometimes better outcomes too.

Whatever. You enjoy your wait times and limits and taxes. That's your decision.


Well perhaps google lied to me...





posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 10:19 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: interupt42

You want the people in the system and benefitting from it to give it up. Good luck with that.


Yet you want group of individauls to do right by you when they have conflict of interest? Good luck with that.

But to answer your question no i dont expect them to willing give that up . It would take for the individual republicans and democrats to stand together and against the gop,dnc, and msm to get it done.

Its an almost impossible task in todays political enviromnet no doubt, where everyone appears to care more about the party than principles or fixing things. However again the level of difficulty doesnt dismiss what needs to be done.

It certainly wont be done over night but hopefully in the near future both party loyalist will get their heads out of their arse and see they are both getting screwed due to conflict if interest . I do think baby steps such as bringing conflict of interest to the firefront of both party would be a huge thing and with social media giving the little guy a voice we have the best chances in history to do it.

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posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 11:31 PM
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originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: projectvxn

This is what happens when land gets colonised.

You can go way back and blame The Spanish for the whole sorry episode.

Land should not be stolen from it's indigenous people.



The colonization of the past has nothing to do with socialism and communism. But in fact, socialists and communists have their own "type of colonization."

For all the BS that socialists and communists, who mostly live in CAPITALIST NATIONS, claim about "those evil capitalists are trying to invade us." In reality in most of the 20th and 21st century it was socialism and communism from other nations who tried, and to this day keep trying, to intervene in foreign nations by forcing, or indoctrinating people into accepting socialism and/or communism.

For all the BS that leftists talk about "the U.S. invaded Vietnam," the communist Chinese had invaded Vietnam already and the U.S. response helped to stall the domination of socialist and/or communist dictatorships which "intervened in other nations."

Socialism and communism are systems which are against individuality, and they aim to oppress everyone "for the good of the collective/socialist revolution, etc, etc."

BTW, I am with projectvxn, and have stated it in the past. You will have to kill me, and millions of others who have survived the horrors of socialism and communism, and I won't die idle.

The implementation of socialism and/or communism will only bring oppression, injustice and death. We can even see for the past several years how the left in the U.S. have been doing everything in their power to completely oppress their political opposition.

We can also see how to this day, despite the FACT that there is no evidence against the left's claims about "Trump/campaign officials colluded with Russia," the left continues to lie and in fact it is the left who fell for the Russian's attempts at interfering in our elections.

Trump didn't become POTUS "because of Russians." He became POTUS because a majority of people in the U.S. are tired of the left's attempts at subjugating everyone with a different political opinion than theirs.

If the past 3+ years has taught me something is that "the left" will stop at nothing. They will use every tactic, including illegal tactics, just to win and have power over every aspect of people's lives.

I find it ironic that there are "left-wingers" that even to this day want to claim "socialism/communism was never a threat..." Really? The systems that have caused the most murders, the most wrong imprisonments, and have impoverished billions of people has never been a threat?... These sort of people only deny the history of their "utopias" which billions of people to this day are living under and are in reality living in nothing more than a "far left-wing nightmare."

The left simply doesn't like it, and doesn't want to allow the political opposition having power at all. In the name of "the collective, saving the Earth, saving the environment, etc, etc" are once again excuses being used to implement the most oppressive systems mankind has ever known.




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posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 11:51 PM
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originally posted by: interupt42

Having been born in Cuba myself I can agree with that statement. Cuba is not socialist it was a dictatorship with some very very very very crappy implementation of communism versus socialism. People own nothing its all Castro brother owned.


Cuba is a communist/MarxistLeninist dictatorship with a socialist economy...


originally posted by: interupt42
No socialist society for you until you get rid of the Oligarch Bastardized capitalist society.


What "YOU" call an Oligard bastardized capitalist society" was set in motion by no others than "progressive democrats."

It was Woodrow Wilson, with a democrat Congress, which transferred all the power of the economy to a group of elitists whom never had any good intentions at all.


originally posted by: interupt42
5. In reality most republicans aren't really against socialism as much as they are against giving a corrupted gov't more power and more of their money. If you were able to fix the conflict of interest I bet the Democrats wouldn't have as big as a hurdle to sell it.


BS... Yes I am against socialism/communism, and your revisionism of socialism and communism won't change my mind.


originally posted by: interupt42
Heck the republicans are already willingly taking some socialism with the Military. However because the Military socialist implementation occurred under a gov't with conflict of interest we ended up with a Oligarch Bastardized version of it. Our military spends like no tomorrow with no real accountability , but worse then that the top brass like to cause or get involved in global chaos for the democracy liberation profit. So while the military appears to be socialist its still a dangerous Oligarch Bastardized version,why because it was implemented by a group of people with conflict of interest under the Oligarchs.


WRONG... The U.S. military is not a socialist system. You are so confused you can't see past your damn nose... These claims by socialists/communists like yourself are nothing more than lies... The claim that "the highways, the police, firefighters, taxes, etc, etc are socialist systems" is nothing but a LIE... Such systems have existed BEFORE any socialist/communist was ever born...

If it is true that you were born in Cuba either you are yet one of the few communists/socialists infiltrated by the castro regime in the U.S., or you are so deluded that you can't differentiate between reality and illusion.

The very act of suppressing "individuality" for "the collective/the Earth, the environmenta, etc, etc" ALWAYS makes socialism and communist governments dictatorial. ALWAYS...

To have human rights you first need to have individual rights. If individual rights are suppressed "for the collective/the revolution/the Earth, and all the BS that socialists/communists always try to sell to others, then there are NO HUMAN RIGHTS WHATSOEVER UNDER SUCH SYSTEMS...

We are ALL individuals. If your individuality is suppressed by force all your rights are taken away.



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 12:52 AM
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a reply to: projectvxn
A country or nation, can fall just as easily under capitalism as it can under socialism.

In fact if you live in a society that has a semi free trade system like America does, then that is a form of socialism, in the sense your socializing to get something for something, the processes involved to set up and prop up such endeavors are for the most part just as much socialistic as they are capitalistic. After all you can drive goods down the roads without the roads being build, and that takes taxes, which is taking something from many to build something for others.

Anyways, that story you wrote. Those people died not because of socialism or even capitalism, it was more or less the onset of globalism and corporatism that did them in. And its still happening today, simply because they do not understand that the world moved on from there times in 1979.

And the words that groups or people call themselves or expunge to be, are about as meaningful as shi-tz on a stick.

Just as you do not understand that that very same world is moving on, and this fight over socialism and capitalism, is not only a waste of time, it is retarded. Something either works, or it does not work. The words and labels you all choose to give to it, is simply, simple minded group think.

So ya, while that little vid of Trump may inspire many. That by no means does it mean that this whole thing cant go down the crapshoot faster then you can imagine under "insert ism here" It is almost as funny as when Bill Clinton tried to take credit for the economy being in a boom. Ah ya, sure, but I imagine that the technological and other inventions such as computers had a bit more to do with the economy then a guy giving a speech for the masses and appeasing his constituency by making rules and regulations for them.

But still I like the one were Al Gore tried to take credit for the internet. Not ripping on Trump, because I think he is what a majority of people need, and is good for the country, or at least given the alternatives. What I am saying is, that sometimes some things are in no way relatable at all, even if people believe it to be so, and are merely relatable by pure coincidence that they happen to have happened in the same time span.

As for the whole Democrat vs Republican thing. Well ya these democrats are saying some stupid #-z. But that does not mean republicans cant be just as full of #-z in there own ways.



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 01:20 AM
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a reply to: interupt42
I know its funny that in this day and age people still think we live in a democracy or a capitalistic society or even a republic, I have heard some call it, silly as that is. And ya, all the issues on the MSM that are talked about are not real issues, the real issues generally don't get air time, and never likely will.

Nor would people like it if they were, much less understand it.

As for the socialists owing the means of production, well its all already owned for the most part.

So really there is no difference between one side, or the other, and everybody is just looking out for there own interests both on capital hill and in everyday general populous, or at least those that are smart, those that are not are looking out for the interests of there corporate masters.

And the only genius that oh lets say the forefathers of this country had is in making a system were you can keep all sides busy, because when one of them gets full power? Well this house of cards will come tumbling down like so many before it. Truly wise they were ore whoever created the whole system, to see that everybody is full of bullshi-t.

It would be interesting to see were this American experiment goes. Or not really, people complain to much as it is. Nor is there anything special about it all. I don't see why people are so worked up over as things are nowhere near as bad, nor are they all that....Its more like Meh! What else is new?



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 01:50 AM
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a reply to: Akragon
I think this is were your miscommunication. What socialism you have in Canada is only different on a few levels then the type they have in the US. Is that nothing is free.

Like you said you want free education, and yet you say you have free healthcare that you pay for. If you pay for it, by taxes or other means that does not make it free. If you pay for something in a wayward manner it changes nothing then if you pay for it straight up.

In which case the only question would be how many people in said system are pulling there weight, and are those that are not worth the effort? But that is the same question in a capitalistic society anyways, because most of them cant afford it anyways so they have to pay in increments. Its basically the same sort of thing, only with less third parties involved.

In all like you said, your paying for peace of mind if nothing else, and nothing else.

As for free education, well again, your just taking something and making a system of iou's that you will have to pay latter. So in the end that to is not free. Its just paying extra for peace of mind and having less paperwork. And in that peace of mind, and paperwork, well there are loopholes and red tapes in a thousand way which things can be bent to the whim and will of many a group and individuals.

And also, education, well how are you to know that it would be worth a dam in the future?

Seems a issue people are having today. And considering that education for the masses was created during the first WW and revised during the second, it was set up as a factory, because that was what it was about. They needed factory workers, its why you even have the whole bell thing, telling you when its time for lunch and when to move on to something else. like in a factory setting.

Now a days its the same thing. To fulfill a role in the economy. Its what all these old foggyes are whining about. You know, work hard, stay on track, as they were more or less raised as factory workers and received factory worker training, only they called it education.

And there is some truth in that as our economy is a consumer based one, which is why the colleges even fancy ones are failing left and right and all over the place, but the trades are booming. Because for the most part education is to fulfill a part in said economy.

Though, even in that the people that make the most money are those that did not have the factory education, and just went outside the norm. Its why bill gates is so rich, or why there are so many people doing well who never even steeped in a collage, but just worked for themselves on there own thing.

Anyways, lost my train of thought. What the hell was this thread about? Something about socialism.



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 04:57 AM
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originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: alldaylong
OK THIS is the dumbest post on ATS.

Keep em coming.

Your wokeness is amusing.


Who was the land stolen from for your family to have their lovely Tobacco Farm?

I bet you have no idea and you don't even care less.


So prior to that the land was someones and the so called natives killed them and stole it. So, what is this, selective memory on your part, Comrade?



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 04:58 AM
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originally posted by: RAY1990

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: alldaylong
OK THIS is the dumbest post on ATS.

Keep em coming.

Your wokeness is amusing.


So all you've got is socialism bad?


It is. All you got is lies to support Che was a god to communist heathens.



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 05:02 AM
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originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: projectvxn

im pretty sure the socialism you're talking about, and the "socialism" some American parties are looking for are completely different...

Socialism under a dictatorship never works, and history has shown this...

Though many nations across the world (including mine) embraces many aspects of socialism and it works very well

I think the big problem is, people hear the word socialism and they automatically relate it to failed dictatorships of the past or even present

Socialism = Evil... is just nonsense


And i am 100% that you are very wrong. It is the scheme of the New World Order to take total control. It is not your fault you have been brainwashed to want something dangerous for your family's future survival. Time for you sleepers to awake.



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 05:06 AM
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originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Wardaddy454


How can someone steal something that was stolen from them in the first place.

Please enlighten me Guru.



You are not thinking clearly on this matter. You've been wasting time defending the wrong things. Study materials are your friend. History is there for you to read. Use your own thoughts in stead of the ones spoon fed you to be a hater.
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posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 05:29 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: ketsuko

Food costs money, how does a person get food without money or resorting to crime?

Socialism and welfare are not applicable to my question.


Food also is the product of someone's time and effort. You want someone to produce food and then you want it given to you for nothing?

That sounds a wee bit like you wanting slavery to me.


Bingo for 6$ as month in Cuba. The people in the Soviet Union starved from the lack of incentive and then lack of farming skills. People who tried to be logical were sent to Siberia to make buildings in winter with limited materials and a demanding boss.



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 05:48 AM
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Also, those countries started out as capitalist and later shifted towards capitalism with a heavy emphasis on a social safety net.


That's the very thing that most of the left is trying to do.

It is currently working for them, why not us?



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 05:48 AM
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originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: projectvxn




Anything else you want to add?


Not really.

I am tired of replying to your pathetic tales of woe.

Ta Ta.


Victory lap or not, we are glad you don't get it. Makes it easy as hell to show our friends what commie people want and how they use mental Gymnastics to justify the lies they spew.



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 06:04 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: interupt42

It won't be good enough. Look at the systems we have that are thoroughly socialized. They don't work, and it's not Congress. You can't get less political than the USPS (John Kasich's father notwithstanding), but it doesn't work.

Your argument comes back not having the right people in charge, and basically, there are not enough selfless people in the world.


Plato's point when he taught was nobody is a selfless leader, therefore we have to allow the people to rule in a democratic style. We added Republic to the plans after realizing a str8 Democracy ends in two wolves and sheep scenario when meal time comes around. People are selfish the COTUS gives a chance to balance that or we get Dictators.



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 08:23 AM
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originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: Wardaddy454




First of all, can you give me some evidence to make a legitimate comparison between working here and the slave labor over in China? 


I never made such a comparison, just like I never compared a 2nd world Communist dictatorship to a 1st world democratic republic. Apples and stale bread...
You did.


Because I'm not interested in slave labour practices that the likes of China practice



I'd say an individual's life is worth as much as the next individual. I'm not interested in measuring a human's life in terms of finance.

I'll also just say the universal declaration of Human rights has a good enough definition of an acceptable living condition. Shelter, food, water, sanitation, basic healthcare. Ya know, the things that stop people abruptly and mysteriously dying?

Upward mobility? Access. It's kinda simple really. I like freedom too so a communist definition of access has never sat well with me either.


Yeah but see, the government will only give what is necessary to survive, not quality living. Take a gander at section 8 housing. Look at the constraints placed upon people with WIC. How will it be better than it is?



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 08:25 AM
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originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
a reply to: alldaylong

Also, you harp on colonization, and yet you live in a country that was notorious for it. You only have yourselves to blame for colonizing what would later become the USA.



Yes i agree with your point.

However, please point out to where i have stated that i condone what Britain did in it's past.

We where the worst offenders. Having the greatest empire ever proves that.


You condone it enough to stick around.



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 08:40 AM
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originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Wardaddy454




Also, those countries started out as capitalist and later shifted towards capitalism with a heavy emphasis on a social safety net.


That's the very thing that most of the left is trying to do.

It is currently working for them, why not us?


Is it? On the surface it may look like it, but when you look deeper..

Denmark is behind only Scandinavia in anti-depressant consumption.
They also hold the most private debt in the world. because the average income is $43,000, and 45% of that is taxed.
Highest cancer rates on the planet, while its health service buckles.
And the icing on the cake, over the past decade, income equality is decreasing.

Is it really working? Or is the fake news media trying to put blinders on you.



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 08:56 AM
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originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: projectvxn

You seem to have the answers...

So, how do we ensure as societies that human beings have decent access to work, basic amenities, education and healthcare? How do we ensure human rights are not abused or neglected?

Because we live in a world based on profit and productivity, a world where 1 machine that requires no wage can effectively replace 100's of jobs.



Answer: STOP BREEDING.
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posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 09:18 AM
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originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Wardaddy454




Also, those countries started out as capitalist and later shifted towards capitalism with a heavy emphasis on a social safety net.


That's the very thing that most of the left is trying to do.

It is currently working for them, why not us?


Is it? On the surface it may look like it, but when you look deeper..

Denmark is behind only Scandinavia in anti-depressant consumption.
They also hold the most private debt in the world. because the average income is $43,000, and 45% of that is taxed.
Highest cancer rates on the planet, while its health service buckles.
And the icing on the cake, over the past decade, income equality is decreasing.

Is it really working? Or is the fake news media trying to put blinders on you.


Denmark is part of Scandinavia so not sure what you mean by your first point.

Denmark has the highest rate of personal debt but it also has one of the highest levels of personal savings. Net assets are positive

It has the highest rate of cancer diagnosis in the works largely because of its excellent health care system which has a very high rate of detection.

Denmark, and other Scandinavian countries, are consistently rated as amongst the best countries in the world to live.




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