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Cubans: Personified Warnings of Socialist Evils the Left Loves to Ignore

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posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 08:39 PM
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a reply to: Akragon

But you think magically that putting them in charge of more fixes that? You want that same mess in charge of your health and life? You want the same people who claim to run FAPE to also provide you health care? What makes you think their system will provide you anything other than lip service while taking enough money to provide actual service?




posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 08:49 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Where do you see the control aspect here?

We have taxes just as you do... you have people in charge of health care, just as we do...

We pay higher taxes so that everyone can benefit from them... as in healthcare that is paid for when its needed

Other countries do the same... probably better though because we don't have free education... but people are working towards that




posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 08:51 PM
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And how would we go about doing that when all politicians and government is corrupt and out for themselves?


You didnt really answer my question, however the difficulty in fixing the issue does not make it go away or minimize it. So no matter how hard it might be to address the conflict of interest, the Democrats must FIRST address it before implementing socialist programs.

IF not, then the democrats are WILLINGLY implementing a system that they KNOW will fail since it will be implemented by a group of people with conflict of interest.

so again

1. Wouldn't it make sense to FIRST minimize the rampant gov't corruption and conflict of interest before giving an already corrupted gov't more power and money?

IF yes , then that is what the democrats must do regardless how hard it is. Heck they aren't even attempting to take a jab it.

However, here are a couple of things :

1. Term limits for congress
2. Close the revolving doors between private and public industries
3. Reform lobbying
4. Utilize technology
5. REAL transparency
6. Get rid of super pacs and campaign financing.

Why aren't they discussing those things?

Other things that could be done is unite the Individual republicans and individual democrats to go against the GOP,DNC, and the MSM. The individual Republicans and democrats should both be able to work together on minimizing conflict of interest that benefits both party. However, the GOP , MSM and the DNC keeps them fighting each other instead because they both work for the lobbyiest. So the individual republicans and democrats need to put on their big boy/girl pants on and see what is going on and work together on minimizing conflict of interest.




If no, then its not about helping people, doing the right thing, or implementing a better system for the people. Its simply about giving a corrupted group of people more power and money.


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posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 08:58 PM
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Unfortunately, Taxes are all about giving the people in power more money... which they always line their pockets with...

Taxes for government is literally their own spending account.... and unfortunately, I don't see any way around it

They won't attempt to fix government corruption because they are all corrupt... so why stop the gravy train as I've said

Theres hundreds of people in various sections that do nothing and get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to do exactly that...

Its not about giving them more power.... they already have it.... its about getting something that benefits everyone that needs it that is guaranteed to be there when its needed

they have no power over it... nor do they have the right to take it away or choose who needs it...




posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 09:06 PM
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a reply to: Akragon

We've agreed that government is corrupt.

We've also established that you're good with it because you benefit from it.



Have a nice evening.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 09:10 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: interupt42

*snort* One person can put a thing together. Get two people together, and you have conflict of interest. .


Like I said you can't get rid of it all but we can minimize it by using human nature to our benefit versus against us.

Unfortunately right now congress is setup to benefit themselves at the pain of the majority of the people. Human nature is telling them to screw the people for their benefit and often even for their survival.

Term limits:
it makes it more difficult for the lobbyist since it takes years to build such trust. Jack Abramoff one of the largest lobbyist discussed this and how much it would impact the lobbying industry if term limits were placed after he got busted. he said it took many many years even a decade to build such a trust and often it was an lobbyist entrusted senior congressman that was used ti initiate the path to coruption with the new members.

Right now human nature is FORCING the congressman to do right by lobbyist versus the general population out of survival. If a congressman wants to make it, get support, money, and reelected they have to kiss the lobbyist arse not the peoples arse. Without the lobbyist they barely can get elected let alone reelected.

So instead of fighting human nature that we know it exists ,lets minimize the chances for corruption over time by implementing term limits.



Closing the revolving doors.
Again human nature is telling the congressman that its in there benefit to appease the lobbyist versus the public if they want that big paycheck. Hence they end up as multi millainares with a gov't salary of 100K after public office.

Jack Abramoff even discussed how he bribed and owned a congressman without ever giving them a dollar.

He said that the lobbyist are the rock stars in DC. As a lobbyist he had all the best tickets for all the shows,games, and events. He had all the parties, yachts, models, cars, vacations, etc.

He said he would use that to his advantage. He would tell a congressman that they are doing a great job and that DC needs more people like them and not now but once they gets done serving the people that they should contact him directly . Then he would give them his personal business card. He said from that moment on he owned them and it didn't cost him a dollar because the congressman felt that was a job interview and from then on would do what ever he wanted to impress him.


So again revolving doors puts the congressmen in a situation to fail due to human nature.


. Reform lobbying , Get rid of super pacs and campaign financing.
Again human nature says to please the guy with the biggest pockets. So lets take care of that temptation by using technology .

Instead of using money to lobby lets use a computer system that gives everyone equal say on what is important to them and what the govt should be focused on.



REAL transparency
People tend to be more honest when things are done in the open . SO again instead of fighting human nature lets make it more open. Lets only have closed session for REAL security type discussions. Even a discussion with about the internet is done in a closed session meeting.



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posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 09:13 PM
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Taxes for government is literally their own spending account.... and unfortunately

So we agree. SO why would you want to give the gov't more money and power with a system like socialism until you address that conflict of interest?

What do you expect to get back in return when you give corrupted individual more power and money?



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 09:17 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Akragon

We've agreed that government is corrupt.

We've also established that you're good with it because you benefit from it.



Have a nice evening.


I didn't say I was ok with it...

It can't be fixed so why not benefit from the taxes I pay...




posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 09:19 PM
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originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: Akragon




Taxes for government is literally their own spending account.... and unfortunately

So we agree. SO why would you want to give the gov't more money and power with a system like socialism until you address that conflict of interest?

What do you expect to get back in return when you give corrupted individual more power and money?


again with this control thing....

I've already explained above... they have no more control over anything

we just know where some of our taxes are going... that is to benefit the people in our country that need medical care




posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 09:25 PM
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a reply to: Akragon

The control aspect comes when *I* don't want it, but since you do, you have no issue with forcing everyone else right along into whatever system they come up with.

Here's the thing -- I've seen how socialized systems like the ones in both Canada and the UK deal with people like myself who have migraine, and it's not pretty. The system approves one range of one-size-fits-all treatments, and if your disease happens to not respond well to those treatments, you're SOL for anything else. There is little room for doctors and specialists to innovate and/or most to treatments outside what the system approves, and with a highly individual disease, that's a scary prospect.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 09:28 PM
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SO IF you have a choice of paying nothing for a medication you need.... or hundreds of dollars IF not thousands... you'd gladly pay?

Good luck with that brother...

I've never seen any one size fits all treatments in my country... you get what you need, that's all there is to it... we don't let you sit there and suffer when the medication you need is available just because you can't afford it... its paid

So... I have no idea what you're on about... but it don't work that way here my friend




posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 09:30 PM
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they have no more control over anything

How is that? if you implement a socialist solution it will require more money and more control because now they will be in complete control of your healthcare.

The more socialist programs the bigger the gov't has to become, the bigger the gov't becomes the more power they have.

So I don't see why you think its going to stay all the same? if so why do it?





we just know where some of our taxes are going... that is to benefit the people in our country that need medical care



Why would you assume that when the people controlling it will be under conflict of interest?

Just like the military example I gave above about it being a socialized program implemented by an oligarch capitalist system and look at how many wars and conflicts of interest we get into because the MIL is after the oil money.

Look at all the donations given to Haiti that never made it to the people.

When you give them more money and you give them more control of you daily things you give them more power. As they get more power the stinger they become and you would be lucky to not end up with a tyranny.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 09:40 PM
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Like I said before.... we pay taxes... abnormal amounts mind you but regardless...

what they do with those taxes is out of any persons hands... and im sure there are people that are in control of people who are in control of people etc etc.... all getting paid huge amounts of money to do absolutely nothing

That's just how government works... our taxes pay for their lifestyles, there exuberant spending on stupid sh*t... they get limos and diners... golf weekends on our buck. And eventually some of them get caught... but they just retire or step down and continue to get paid because they "were" paid by the government... which means again, my buck

IF you know a way to fix that... maybe you should run for parliament

Personally I know nothing can be done, and nothing will be... that's just how it goes... IF you're in the government you get paid big bucks for dick all....

But... again, out of those taxes we pay... we are covered for any sickness that happens...

Look up the cost in the US for any minor or major surgery... its huge... its free here




posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 09:41 PM
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Just because you've never seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. How much time have you spent listening to the experiences of migraine sufferers across different countries with different systems?

In the US, it's not that you cannot get the treatments prescribed. In socialized countries, it's that the treatments won't be offered for your illness because the government won't approve it. It's no different than not getting your insurance to cover something except in those countries you might not even have the option of going outside the system to pay out of pocket which you always will here whether or not you can afford it.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 09:42 PM
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originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Akragon

We've agreed that government is corrupt.

We've also established that you're good with it because you benefit from it.



Have a nice evening.


I didn't say I was ok with it...

It can't be fixed so why not benefit from the taxes I pay...



I starred you for your honesty.

*shrugs*



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 09:50 PM
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originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: interupt42

Like I said before.... we pay taxes... abnormal amounts mind you but regardless...

what they do with those taxes is out of any persons hands... and im sure there are people that are in control of people who are in control of people etc etc.... all getting paid huge amounts of money to do absolutely nothing

That's just how government works... our taxes pay for their lifestyles, there exuberant spending on stupid sh*t... they get limos and diners... golf weekends on our buck. And eventually some of them get caught... but they just retire or step down and continue to get paid because they "were" paid by the government... which means again, my buck

IF you know a way to fix that... maybe you should run for parliament

Personally I know nothing can be done, and nothing will be... that's just how it goes... IF you're in the government you get paid big bucks for dick all....

But... again, out of those taxes we pay... we are covered for any sickness that happens...

Look up the cost in the US for any minor or major surgery... its huge... its free here



I agree with the majority of that . my issue is i dont want to give them anymore than we already have.

if you throw the word socialism or universal healthcare then they are going to take more money and more rights. its that simple.

in regards to minimize the Congressional richard syndrom i listed some things above that can be done. Such as term limits, lobbying reform, fundraising reform, closing revolving doors, etc.

lots can be done but neither the Republicans or democrats are talking about it because the GOP,DNC, and the MSM has them fighting to the death with eaxh other.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 09:53 PM
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Just because you've never seen it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. How much time have you spent listening to the experiences of migraine sufferers across different countries with different systems?


Well as I've said before, I work in healthcare... there isn't much I haven't seen... and I have no idea what other countries do... I also know our system is far from perfect.... LOL FAAAAARRR from perfect

In fact at this very moment I am forced to go to the streets for the medication my mom needs to deal with the pain in her hip... she just got one replaced... and is on the waiting list for the other one.

No doctor will prescribe Oxycodone... apparently we have an opioid crisis in our province... which is just bullsh*t but that's whats happening right now...

Sure the world is messed up... we all know that...

But... one less worry for me and the people of my country...

when she has her next surgery... she won't get a bill...

I just did a quick search of the cost of one hip replacement in the US.... $32,000... so that's a grand total of $64,000 for two hips in the US....

need I say more?




posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 09:55 PM
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You want the people in the system and benefitting from it to give it up. Good luck with that.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 09:56 PM
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Somehow ... when my dad had his replaced, his bills worked out to quite a bit less than that. Huh ...

So here's the thing - what you sacrifice in terms of flexibility and immediacy, you sacrifice. In order not not have a bill in the mail, you pay through the nose in taxes, wait forever for procedures and have sometimes drastically limited options available.

So, we get a bill, but we have more variety, more immediacy, sometimes better outcomes too.

Whatever. You enjoy your wait times and limits and taxes. That's your decision.
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posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 09:57 PM
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my issue is i dont want to give them anymore than we already have.


Do you really think I want to give my government a thin dime?

HELL NO... but they already take a huge chuck of every paycheck I get...

IF I lived in the US, I would be pretty well off just because of the amount of taxes my government takes from me... but I still do ok.... though I would love to get that paycheck without the 30% hit to the kidneys...

but I will still happily pay my damn taxes no matter how much it pisses me off... because I spend a lot of time at the clinic... that happens when you work with sick people every day of your life





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