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Cubans: Personified Warnings of Socialist Evils the Left Loves to Ignore

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posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 07:47 PM
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a reply to: RAY1990




You wanted to compare communist Cuba and socialism to the downfall of the US.


Having been born in Cuba myself I can agree with that statement. Cuba is not socialist it was a dictatorship with some very very very very crappy implementation of communism versus socialism. People own nothing its all Castro brother owned.

Having said that , here is my problem with the socialism in the US.

1. The gov't is riddled with WAY TO MUCH conflict of interest and influence from lobbyist to give them any more power,money, and control than they already have that would be required to implement socialist programs.

2. Since the gov't is riddled with conflict of interest and has a history of bastardizing anything they touch for the most part, you can't blame the republicans for logically thinking its not a good idea to implement a socialist program and give them more power,money, and control they have not earned.

3. If Democrats want to even mention the term "socialism" then they must earn that right and commit to minimize the conflict of interest in DC. Once the democrats take care of the conflict of interest in DC, then they can bring up socialism. Until than , its a really really really stupid thing for anyone to expect a group of people with conflict of interest to do right by them.

4. In the US we don't have a capitalist society we have an Oligarch Bastardized version of a capitalist society. If you try to implement a bigger govt, give the gov't more money, or give the gov't more power as would be required with a socialist society you will still end up with a Oligarch Bastardized version of a capitalist society . No socialist society for you until you get rid of the Oligarch Bastardized capitalist society.


5. In reality most republicans aren't really against socialism as much as they are against giving a corrupted gov't more power and more of their money. If you were able to fix the conflict of interest I bet the Democrats wouldn't have as big as a hurdle to sell it.

Heck the republicans are already willingly taking some socialism with the Military. However because the Military socialist implementation occurred under a gov't with conflict of interest we ended up with a Oligarch Bastardized version of it. Our military spends like no tomorrow with no real accountability , but worse then that the top brass like to cause or get involved in global chaos for the democracy liberation profit. So while the military appears to be socialist its still a dangerous Oligarch Bastardized version,why because it was implemented by a group of people with conflict of interest under the Oligarchs.


6. The issue with healthcare and just about every issue focused on by the MSM, GOP, and DNC are not the real ISSUE. Again conflict of interest is the REAL issue . So if you get rid of conflict of interest in DC you could have a healthcare system that works for everyone if we changed the incentives for the healthcare industry to be more inline with benefiting the general population. However, the incentives we have now are purely to benefit the healthcare lobbying industry not the general population and once again thats because of conflict of interest.


7. Start your own socialist commune : Hybrid Communist society

In summary the Democrats need to STFU about socialism until they earned the right to mention it. The democrats are being manipulated by the lobbyist to think that we can just implement a socialist society without FIRST taking care of the conflict of interest. There is no shortcut around it , you must first take care of the conflict of interest or you will end up with what we got a Oligarch Bastardized capitalist society.

An Oligarch Bastardized capitalist society would love nothing more than an implementation of a socialist society. Why? because the major Oligarch lobbyist control our gov't not the other way around. So the more power the gov't has the more power the Oligarch lobbyist have.

The fact that the democrats are completely dismissing the conflict of interest in DC nor have any REAL plans to decrease it but are talking about giving a corrupted gov't more power and money should tell you what their real intentions are. Again you MUST decrease conflict of interest to give the gov't any more power or money.Its not rocket science, its just common sense that is unfortunately abnormally absent when it comes to politics.



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posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 07:50 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy


And yet. . . and yet. . . . . you support and defend a system that would force people to pay more of their money, to grant more authority and control to the same government you call corrupt.


Yep... and for that very reason...

Every government is corrupt... so you gotta take whatever you get...

Sure there is an increase in taxes, but there IS an increase in services as well... that is the idea

Fact is all politicians are liars... they all use our taxes as their own personal spending account... we pay them out of our pockets to do what? Almost nothing?

Why not put some of those taxes to good use... like free health care! But wait, let me reword that... PAID FOR healthcare because as it has been stated many times... nothing is free

PAID for education, where people can better themselves without going into debt for the next 10-20 years because of wanting a higher education


It makes no sense unless you are a part of the same corrupt government and would benefit from the increases in taxes and the reductions in services.


I personally have no political ties.... as I've said, all of them without exception are liars

I just like the idea of being able to get services that are needed without paying out of my own pocket... they already take a big chuck of my paycheck... and yours... and everyones… we should benefit from what we pay for

I like to see where my tax dollars are going....




posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 07:51 PM
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originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: alldaylong

Which happened several centuries ago.

Thanks for doubling down on your idiocy and excusing communism.

No one is impressed with woke bull#.


Just wash your hands of the genocide your ancestors carried out. Sorry guv, it wasn't me.

That's always the easy way out. Isn't it ?


White people should pay for the sins of their ancestors.

ONLY white people though. Everyone else gets a pass.

Leftism is a mental disorder



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 07:51 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

Tbh I don't identify with any political persuasion, understably my thoughts and beliefs will fall into categories but that means little to me and my day to day life.

I also agree with this post, governments can be drastically wasteful whilst underfunding services that are more deserving than vanity projects or sending aid to the likes of China. Not saying there's nobody in China in need of assistance because there's millions... It just shouldn't be a burden to British tax payers... We all pay taxes at the end of the day.

Like I said I'm not all that educated on politics, my first couple of posts were pointing out that there's certain things our governments should be doing to aid it's own citizens, that's why I mentioned basic human rights since fundamentally we can all agree that basics such as shelter, food, water and the ability to provide for oneself are important to people. If people don't have access to the basics then something is seriously wrong with society.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 07:53 PM
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a reply to: RAY1990

I agree with you entirely. I believe there is a way there without the need to drag the relics of the Industrial Revolution with us another century.

Human freedom is just as important as survival. WIthout freedom (economic and personal) we cannot be free to discover meaning in our lives. Without the freedom to discover such things in our lives, we stagnate, become depressed, and eventually, we become corrupted.

No government program can fix that.
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posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 07:54 PM
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a reply to: Akragon

So you are okay with a corrupt government having more control and authority over your life as long as you get something out of it.





posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 07:57 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Akragon

So you are okay with a corrupt government having more control and authority over your life as long as you get something out of it.




They have no more control in a socialised environment then any other system...

They get our taxes regardless... we just know where some of them are going

You make it seem like we hand over our paychecks...




posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 08:04 PM
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a reply to: Akragon
You do because they have you convinced that that can take better care of you than you could.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 08:08 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Akragon
You do because they have you convinced that that can take better care of you than you could.


haha... no my friend... you see

I am never worried when I get sick... its paid for no matter how many times I need to go to a clinic

IF I have a heart attack... its paid for... and I can stay in the hospital as long as its needed without worrying about a bill coming later

I PAY FOR THAT... they are not taking care of me... the same doctors are doing their job and would be doing the same job IF we didn't have socialized health care in Canada.... only difference is I never have to worry about the outcome when I get sick... and I work in healthcare, so I am exposed to all sorts of nasty bugs

I would be terrified working in my field IF I lived in your country




posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 08:11 PM
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a reply to: Akragon

I’m terrified that my government will be able to dictate my life to me.

By telling me when and how I can take care of myself.


But enjoy your guided cage.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 08:13 PM
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a reply to: interupt42

You won't get rid of conflict of interest until you get rid of humanity. Get rid of humanity, however, and you get rid of compassion, too.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 08:15 PM
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a reply to: Akragon

You pay for them to decide everything for you? What happens when they decide something for you that you don't want? You paid for them to go against your wishes. How do you feel about that? If you pay for something, shouldn't it serve you, but in the interests of the greater good, it won't serve you, but what it perceives as the greatest social good, and someday, that might not be in your best personal interest.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 08:15 PM
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From your posts you appear to be for socialist healthcare. if So

1. Wouldn't it make sense to FIRST minimize the rampant gov't corruption and conflict of interest before giving an already corrupted gov't more power and money?

2. Why aren't the democrats focused on minimizing the rampant gov't corruption and conflict of interest first?
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posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 08:19 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: interupt42

You won't get rid of conflict of interest until you get rid of humanity. Get rid of humanity, however, and you get rid of compassion, too.


I never said all conflict of interest that would be unrealistic and impossible. However, you can certainly minimize it by implementing certain things such as:

1. Term limits for congress
2. Close the revolving doors between private and public industries
3. Reform lobbying
4. Utilize technology
5. REAL transparency
6. Get rid of super pacs and campaign financing.

would be a good start. You know all the things that neither the MSM, GOP, DNC actually discuss or think about addressing with real solutions.

Right now what we have is a cluster F. Besides the conflict of interest impacting the programs the GOP,DNC,MSM feed the people BS so they aren't aware of the real problems.
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posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 08:23 PM
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It won't be good enough. Look at the systems we have that are thoroughly socialized. They don't work, and it's not Congress. You can't get less political than the USPS (John Kasich's father notwithstanding), but it doesn't work.

Your argument comes back not having the right people in charge, and basically, there are not enough selfless people in the world.
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posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 08:28 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Akragon

You pay for them to decide everything for you? What happens when they decide something for you that you don't want? You paid for them to go against your wishes. How do you feel about that? If you pay for something, shouldn't it serve you, but in the interests of the greater good, it won't serve you, but what it perceives as the greatest social good, and someday, that might not be in your best personal interest.


Happens all the time actually... I don't agree with a lot of the stupid sh*t my government does... and im sure you are no different... you don't have a say, neither do I...

But it was established a few decades ago that everyone needs medical care eventually... and now we have it.

It would be fantastic IF we had free education too... unfortunately we don't, even though we pay enough taxes for everyone to have a full education easily




posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 08:30 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: interupt42

Look at the systems we have that are thoroughly socialized. They don't work, and it's not Congress. You can't get less political than the USPS (John Kasich's father notwithstanding), but it doesn't work.


Ofcours its congress, congress wrote the regulations and it goes back to my point earlier to RAY1990.

you cant implement any program especially a socialist one that gives the gov't more money and power while its under the control of a group of people with conflict of interest.

You think the military and USPS were not influenced by conflict of interest? Of-course you can't implement a working socialist program under an oligarch bastardized capitalist controlled society and congress.

Note I'm not selling socialism, as I think capitalism with the right incentives is the way to go. However' you can't honestly make use of the USPS , Military , Cuba,Venezuela ,russia, etc as examples of socialism while they were all implemented under conflict of interest or dictatorships with no attempt to minimize it.



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4. In the US we don't have a capitalist society we have an Oligarch Bastardized version of a capitalist society. If you try to implement a bigger govt, give the gov't more money, or give the gov't more power as would be required with a socialist society you will still end up with a Oligarch Bastardized version of a capitalist society . No socialist society for you until you get rid of the Oligarch Bastardized capitalist society.

5.
Heck the republicans are already willingly taking some socialism with the Military. However because the Military socialist implementation occurred under a gov't with conflict of interest we ended up with a Oligarch Bastardized version of it. Our military spends like no tomorrow with no real accountability , but worse then that the top brass like to cause or get involved in global chaos for the democracy liberation profit. So while the military appears to be socialist its still a dangerous Oligarch Bastardized version,why because it was implemented by a group of people with conflict of interest under the Oligarchs.

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posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 08:31 PM
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1. Wouldn't it make sense to FIRST minimize the rampant gov't corruption and conflict of interest before giving an already corrupted gov't more power and money?


And how would we go about doing that when all politicians and government is corrupt and out for themselves?

They already get our taxes, they get no more control over anything... but again, at least we know where some of them are going besides to line the pockets of those in power...


2. Why aren't the democrats focused on minimizing the rampant gov't corruption and conflict of interest first?


Simply because they are part of the problem... why would they try to stop their gravy train?




posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 08:33 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Akragon

I’m terrified that my government will be able to dictate my life to me.

By telling me when and how I can take care of myself.


But enjoy your guided cage.


I would be too... we don't live in that kind of society...

we have the same freedoms as you... besides guns... but thank God for that




posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 08:38 PM
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*snort* One person can put a thing together. Get two people together, and you have conflict of interest. I love my husband very much, but we have conflicts of interest.

You should have seen the email chain that went back and forth discussing our Easter meal alone.




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