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Cubans: Personified Warnings of Socialist Evils the Left Loves to Ignore

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posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 07:07 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

kinda sounds like you are not in the category I was speaking of.... but anyways


They suck but I'm paying, because it is my responsibility.


And IF said medical bills were absent... would you not agree life would be a little easier?


Yeah I went to school, and Uncle Sam paid a part of it because that was the business agreement at the time. I trade my time and efforts for lousy pay and some school taken care of. It was a contract. I fulfilled my part of the contract, the government fulfilled their part.


Sounds a bit like socialism.... blasphemer!! LOL


Yes. And my family got fed because it was MY responsibility. If I had to sacrifice for my family, I did so and would do so again because that's how I was raised.


and again... IF there wasn't ever a need for a sacrifice... And you didn't ever need to chose between the basic needs of life and paying the bills... wouldn't life be a touch easier?





posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 07:08 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

I did? When?

Didn't know I had to be a socialist to cut my neighbors grass.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 07:09 PM
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Here we go again, the right using the most extreme example of something to enforce the opinion it is wrong.

They do it with everything but use their own tactics against them and we get "how dare you". LOL

Best Countries for Quality of Life

Canada
Sweden
Denmark
Norway
Switzerland
Finland

All using some sort of socialism policies.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 07:11 PM
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a reply to: RAY1990




I've known people who struggled to provide for their family who resorted to crime.


Where were you to help them?

Your nation exercises welfarism to a large degree. What's your excuse for this?




Occasionally people in that dilemma kill themselves too.


Doesn't the NHS provide for people with mental health issues?




I find that sickening personally.


Me too. Seems like you've let a lot go on around you without much personal responsibility right? Oh, but you FEEL good about it because your nation practices welfarism (which you believe to be socialism). Guess what? The US practices welfarism too. We spend 750 Billion dollars on welfare in this nation in 2018. The UK with a much smaller population spent a whopping 443Bn GBP (575Bn USD) in 2014 (which is the latest date I could readily find). Why couldn't you help your friends with so much charity available?


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posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 07:12 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

Yeah man, I'm not reading that thread because very little of it is applicable to 1st world nations practicing socialism.

You wanted to compare communist Cuba and socialism to the downfall of the US. Yet I'm being silly?

My nation practices socialism, I get free healthcare too. Oh I can also pay private companies for healthcare and have done but private companies can't exist with socialism...

Yet I'm being daft.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 07:13 PM
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a reply to: RAY1990

My parents escaped to Costa Rica. I was born there.

I've been a US citizen since 2012.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 07:14 PM
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a reply to: RAY1990




I get free healthcare too.


No you don't.

Unbelievable. At least be honest about where the money for the NHS comes from.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 07:14 PM
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a reply to: Akragon

Forcing others to pay for my actions/inactions, making others pay for my bills, my treatment(s) is not what I want and I don't want to be forced to take care of others.

Socialism is forced charity. It is a bastardization of charity. It is demanded charity.

Socialism is a cheap disguise.

It is take money from rich people to make other people rich. It won't help the poor. The poor will still be poor. Just different "rich" people.

Personal responsibility is to socialism what garlic is to vampires.

Socialism depends on people being weak AND needy.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 07:15 PM
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My nation practices socialism, I get free healthcare too. Oh I can also pay private companies for healthcare and have done but private companies can't exist with socialism... Yet I'm being daft.


Quoted for it's own irony....
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posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 07:16 PM
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originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: projectvxn

I did? When?

Didn't know I had to be a socialist to cut my neighbors grass.


How noble of you...

How about your struggling criminal friends?



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 07:17 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

You're already paying for others... regardless of what you seem to think

Where do you think taxes go... besides the pockets of the leaders and big business

In this case, you pay a bit more... and you won't lose your house IF you happen to need medical care

pretty simple really... I don't see why americans always go to the extreme when people use that dirty word

its kinda funny actually




posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 07:18 PM
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a reply to: Akragon

Let me ask you a very simple question.

Is the US government corrupt?



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 07:18 PM
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originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: projectvxn

countries flourishing under socialis or socialist-like governments

Denmark
Finland
Netherlands
Canada
Sweden
Norway
New Zealand
Belgium

etc...


Too bad it only seems to work in predominantly white countries.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 07:21 PM
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its kinda funny actually


While you confuse socialism for charity, you want to continue to act morally superior for your welfarism.

It's really neat.

But, the fact that you think that resistance to an "economic" system that impoverishes everyone is funny, says a whole lot about you and the privilege you have as a Canadian who profits from the suffering of Cubans as Canadian companies also own stakes in communist state-run establishments.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 07:28 PM
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Where were you to help them? 

Your nation exercises welfarism to a large degree. What's your excuse for this? 



Unfortunately getting an education. I've learned to listen and be more compassionate to the needs and struggles of others.

My nation also practiced taking benefits away from people too, too many disabled people killed themselves over the last decade due to financial difficulties. I've worked against this in the past and always offer my time, advice and reassurances to others in need. I've struggled myself at times but this isn't about me. I'm basically saying I understand and will happily support people struggling since I'm not keen on some of the more extreme alternatives people can turn to.




Doesn't the NHS provide for people with mental health issues? 



Yes it does but over the last 10 years or so they've been drastically underfunded due to "austerity" which is shameful since it's times like these such services are used more. It's sad but a lot of mental health work is done via charities these days and they simply don't have the funding. The same goes for drug rehabilitation work also and I don't think I need to explain how the two can be intrinsically linked.




Me too. Seems like you've let a lot go on around you without much personal responsibility right? Oh, but you FEEL good about it because your nation practices welfarism (which you believe to be socialism). Guess what? The US practices welfarism too. We spend 750 Billion dollars on welfare in this nation in 2018. The UK with a much smaller population spent a whopping 443Bn GBP (575Bn USD) in 2014 (which is the latest date I could readily find). Why couldn't you help your friends with so much charity available? 


Aspects of socialism, I'm no expert in this field but I'm not stupid enough to claim the UK is a socialist nation, we practice aspects of it just as the US does. The US will never be a nation like Cuba.

I did help my friends and still do, it's difficult to help people I didn't personally know... I'm not a mind reader, like I said I learn. I learn to interact with people that can be left behind in society, it's not really hard to show people where they can access social benefits, get access to assistance they're entitled to or even just listen to their problems and walk towards solutions. Problem is often people don't know what they have access to, educating oneself can be difficult when stressed or held back for one reason or another such as disability...
Anyways getting a bit off track. My nation isn't perfect, it's actually slipping a lot on some aspects of society.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 07:32 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Akragon

Let me ask you a very simple question.

Is the US government corrupt?


what government in the history of the world isn't corrupt?




posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 07:34 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

National insurance contributions and taxes pay for the NHS. I already mentioned that nothing is free on multiple occasions. I guess I could've worded it better.

NI contributions are paid by the state when a person is unable to work for whatever reasons. Many things need to be paid for too, depends on what it is and how much a person earns etc.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 07:35 PM
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My nation isn't perfect, it's actually slipping a lot on some aspects of society.


That's the point I was making about the US as well.

Obviously our two nations are NOT socialist nations. Unfettered welfarism is costly and unsustainable but it is NOT socialism.

To be fair here, the right wing has the SAME PROBLEM that leftists have with the identification of what is and is not socialism.

OF COURSE a socialist nation will provide "Free" healthcare and "Free" Education. It's the only game in town. There's not going to be private insurance or private hospitals in a socialist nation. But a capitalist nation whose government taxes its citizens for services is NOT socialism. I pay taxes for roads, schools, medicare/medicaid, social security, and other programs that I do NOT have a problem with other than their management and structural issues. I have a problem with waste, not a problem with using tax dollar to benefit society.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 07:35 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

Clean and successful. And it was an example my neighbors can cut their own grass perfectly well. Most of them anyways.



posted on Apr, 19 2019 @ 07:42 PM
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originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Akragon

Let me ask you a very simple question.

Is the US government corrupt?


what government in the history of the world isn't corrupt?



And yet. . . and yet. . . . . you support and defend a system that would force people to pay more of their money, to grant more authority and control to the same government you call corrupt.

Where is the logic in that?

It makes no sense unless you are a part of the same corrupt government and would benefit from the increases in taxes and the reductions in services.




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