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Cubans: Personified Warnings of Socialist Evils the Left Loves to Ignore

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posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 09:43 AM
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originally posted by: NthOther
That wasn't real socialism. Real socialism is a utopia where everyone is a winner, abiding in a state of never-ending bliss and contentment.

They just had the wrong people in charge, that's all.

But Che is still my hero. Check out my shirt.




Exactly. Why cant capitalist type right wingers figure this out. Oh ya.. they love to see classes. A top 1 percent who can piss on the rest of the people. They dont want everyone to be equal.




posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 02:31 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Wardaddy454




Also, those countries started out as capitalist and later shifted towards capitalism with a heavy emphasis on a social safety net.


That's the very thing that most of the left is trying to do.

It is currently working for them, why not us?


Is it? On the surface it may look like it, but when you look deeper..

Denmark is behind only Scandinavia in anti-depressant consumption.
They also hold the most private debt in the world. because the average income is $43,000, and 45% of that is taxed.
Highest cancer rates on the planet, while its health service buckles.
And the icing on the cake, over the past decade, income equality is decreasing.

Is it really working? Or is the fake news media trying to put blinders on you.


Denmark is part of Scandinavia so not sure what you mean by your first point.

Denmark has the highest rate of personal debt but it also has one of the highest levels of personal savings. Net assets are positive

It has the highest rate of cancer diagnosis in the works largely because of its excellent health care system which has a very high rate of detection.

Denmark, and other Scandinavian countries, are consistently rated as amongst the best countries in the world to live.


Denmark's savings rate was -4% only a few years ago.

That high rate of detection only only one factor, but leaves out the cause. Lifestyle choices. Example: A larger than average portion of Danish women smoke. When it comes to survival rates, just 58 percent of Danish men and 61 percent of women are alive five years after their cancer diagnoses. Compared to Sweden, where 69 percent of men and 68 percent of women can expect to live at least five years after being diagnosed with cancer. The US is up there with Sweden, above Denmark.

They must be the best places to live because most of the population is medicated to make it through the day.



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 02:33 PM
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a reply to: drz400

Ask Europeans if they feel equal to the shot callers in Brussels.



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 03:07 PM
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a reply to: Wardaddy454

To these people equality is government and socialism is a list of government services.

If they understood the subject matter they'd be more hesitant to call themselves socialists.



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 05:06 PM
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originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Wardaddy454




Also, those countries started out as capitalist and later shifted towards capitalism with a heavy emphasis on a social safety net.


That's the very thing that most of the left is trying to do.

It is currently working for them, why not us?


Is it? On the surface it may look like it, but when you look deeper..

Denmark is behind only Scandinavia in anti-depressant consumption.
They also hold the most private debt in the world. because the average income is $43,000, and 45% of that is taxed.
Highest cancer rates on the planet, while its health service buckles.
And the icing on the cake, over the past decade, income equality is decreasing.

Is it really working? Or is the fake news media trying to put blinders on you.


Denmark is part of Scandinavia so not sure what you mean by your first point.

Denmark has the highest rate of personal debt but it also has one of the highest levels of personal savings. Net assets are positive

It has the highest rate of cancer diagnosis in the works largely because of its excellent health care system which has a very high rate of detection.

Denmark, and other Scandinavian countries, are consistently rated as amongst the best countries in the world to live.


Denmark's savings rate was -4% only a few years ago.

That high rate of detection only only one factor, but leaves out the cause. Lifestyle choices. Example: A larger than average portion of Danish women smoke. When it comes to survival rates, just 58 percent of Danish men and 61 percent of women are alive five years after their cancer diagnoses. Compared to Sweden, where 69 percent of men and 68 percent of women can expect to live at least five years after being diagnosed with cancer. The US is up there with Sweden, above Denmark.

They must be the best places to live because most of the population is medicated to make it through the day.





So the higher rate is caused by smoking rather than The evils of socialism.

Denmark also only spends about half per capita on health care compared to the the US, yet has universal coverage.

Since US has highest rate of anti depressent usage in the world seems like it's you guys who need medicated to make it through the day. Maybe it's the stress of your high health care bills?



posted on Apr, 20 2019 @ 07:51 PM
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originally posted by: galadofwarthethird

A country or nation, can fall just as easily under capitalism as it can under socialism.


Wrong... Socialist and communist countries are the ones that fall easily because of the idiocy of their advocates who first, have no experience or knowledge about these systems, and second, because like you they make false claims that only exist in the minds of the most deluded of people.


originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
In fact if you live in a society that has a semi free trade system like America does, then that is a form of socialism, in the sense your socializing to get something for something, the processes involved to set up and prop up such endeavors are for the most part just as much socialistic as they are capitalistic. After all you can drive goods down the roads without the roads being build, and that takes taxes, which is taking something from many to build something for others.


False... You are making a fallacious argument because of your ignorance on these systems... "Socializing" is NOT socialism... Being in a group is NOT socialism... You better stop smoking that crack or whatever it is that is blurring your thinking process... Under socialism and communism no individual can own and control the means of production...
Hence "a free market system" does not exist under these systems...

Capitalism and socialism/communism are anathema to each other... In a capitalist system people, as individuals, can start their own business. Under socialism and communism only those loyal to the far left-wing regimes can participate in the market, but the state always has the final say.


originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
Anyways, that story you wrote. Those people died not because of socialism or even capitalism, it was more or less the onset of globalism and corporatism that did them in. And its still happening today, simply because they do not understand that the world moved on from there times in 1979.


Wrong again... Those people, and millions more, have been murdered because of socialism and communism... You obviously have no experience whatsoever on either systems. Only international socialism and international communism are "globalist in nature." To this day there are still branches of socialism that are nationalist in nature, while others are globalist/internationalist in nature. But those Cubans that have died, many drowned at sea, or were eaten by sharks trying to escape the evil of socialism and communism...


originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
And the words that groups or people call themselves or expunge to be, are about as meaningful as shi-tz on a stick.


Really? and what will you use to communicate? Face expressions?... Emojis only?... Like I wrote earlier, whatever drug you are smoking you better stop before you are left with no brain matter whatsoever...



originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
Just as you do not understand that that very same world is moving on, and this fight over socialism and capitalism, is not only a waste of time, it is retarded. Something either works, or it does not work. The words and labels you all choose to give to it, is simply, simple minded group think.


Here we go...another one of those people who thinks he/she is smarter than everyone else, yet can't even see past his/her own ignorance...



originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
As for the whole Democrat vs Republican thing. Well ya these democrats are saying some stupid #-z. But that does not mean republicans cant be just as full of #-z in there own ways.


You obviously don't even know that you are in their camp, because you are making as many absurd and false arguments and claims as they are...



edit on 20-4-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.



posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 12:46 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Oh wow. I dont understand why your trying to argue with me. But I see your problem, you think you know better or more then me. You should probably stop right there. But you wont will you?

Anyways I shall commence responses, as i listen some youtube vids.


Wrong... Socialist and communist countries are the ones that fall easily because of the idiocy of their advocates who first, have no experience or knowledge about these systems, and second, because like you they make false claims that only exist in the minds of the most deluded of people.


Wrong, idiots are destined to fall in ditches be they socialists or communists or even capitalists. And all believes exist only in the mind of those who believe it. To me socialist is just a word so are the other isms, I dont waste my time bothering beyond that. Why would I even bother listening to another or a group that is so obviously so full of # no matter who they are?



False... You are making a fallacious argument because of your ignorance on these systems... "Socializing" is NOT socialism... Being in a group is NOT socialism... You better stop smoking that crack or whatever it is that is blurring your thinking process... Under socialism and communism no individual can own and control the means of production... Hence "a free market system" does not exist under these systems...

Dont be ridiculous. Humans of that era were nothing more then trained to sing and dance to a tune. Your equating an era to a word.

Means of production? What does that even mean? What do you own factories do you? Or are you making your own keyboard and computer and electricity so you can chat online? You do realize that no one makes anything, at most your just putting Legos together or as they say, made in china assembled in Taiwan then shipped back to china to put a sticker on before its shipped to the US.

Are you afraid that the gulag will come take your plow and shovel? And yes believe it or not, a word like oh lets say, Socialism can have multiple meanings. You dig yo...Also since your having such a hard time grasping things, dig also has multiple meanings if used in different contexts. I will let you google that up.

I dont even want to get started on the free market. Lets just say, that the world of 1940s was a bit different then the world of today, they were very free in trading potatoes and whatever else in there towns and cities, and also they were free to work in factories.



Wrong again... Those people, and millions more, have been murdered because of socialism and communism... You obviously have no experience whatsoever on either systems. Only international socialism and international communism are "globalist in nature." To this day there are still branches of socialism that are nationalist in nature, while others are globalist/internationalist in nature. But those Cubans that have died, many drowned at sea, or were eaten by sharks trying to escape the evil of socialism and communism...

Oh ya it was bound to happen, they should have kept there eyes on the prize, and there ears to the ground, and who knows maybe that lone voice in the wilderness which was saying, "hey this may be a bad idea" after all, if only they would have listened. But they did not, and now there dead, and if your stupid enough to not see a tyrant or a tyrannical system for what it is, or fall for there promises, no matter the words, ideas, or ideals they use.

Well, one can almost say that they got what they deserved. I am not interested one iota in what people say or profess to be or the words they use to describe the system they profess to install and bring on. I am interested in what people do. between what one says, and what one does. Words are meaningless, about as usefull as #-s on a stick.




between what one says, and what one does. Words are meaningless, about as usefull as #-s on a stick. Text

Well you can always try telepathy? Ah just joking, first one must muster the art of context and words. See above post to have a better grasp on what I meant when I wrote that down.



Here we go...another one of those people who thinks he/she is smarter than everyone else, yet can't even see past his/her own ignorance.

Or maybe I am smarter then everyone else. Have you thought about that? Ah just joking. I would say at least 80%, see that's not everyone. Ah joking. Why so serious?



Here we go...another one of those people who thinks he/she is smarter than everyone else, yet can't even see past his/her own ignorance.

Now thats news to me, I was not aware I was in a camp. So am I a lefty or a righty? I always forget which ones are the socialists, and I confess most times I have a hard time distinguishing between the two groups.

As a general rule, I tend to not waste time on such things. More of stoic approach I suppose, or at lest concerning some things, if anything I would more or less follow Marcus Aurelius teachings when it comes to politics and ideology's that people have. That is, to many people talking, and its time to cut them out because there is always something better to do.

If you have never heard of the guy, well you-tube sure is a convenience these days to express and cram something that would take pages and pages of words, into a short vid.



So to summarize, and if and when if what you fear comes to true about this whole socialism thing? Well then I am all in favor for catapulting them into a brick wall, be they socialist, capitalist, communist, or whatever. Would be interesting to see, but till then. We shall see.



posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 12:50 AM
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So to summarize, and if and when if what you fear comes to true about this whole socialism thing?


It has come true. Many have lived it. ElectricUniverse being one of them.

What a bunch of pseudointellectual nonsense you just spewed.



posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 01:30 AM
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a reply to: projectvxn
Has it? I dont see it, all I see is a lot of media bull#, both on the MSM and online, and a lot of people posturing like roosters in a strange yard. As for what electricuniverse has lived through. Its nice and all, but I don't care, nor am I impressed.

I mean you or your mother and father or people fell for the bull# of Castro and corp, then your bound to fall for other bull#. Already your telling me that you all dont have a good track record on any of that. What experience would you bring on it, besides you alls past failures?

And also what makes you, or that other guy think that I am for socialism, or that we all should switch to a socialist system? Did I say any of that? This would be the part were I would question your reading comprehension. Do you want me to do that?

But if you missed, it.

I shall summarize again, I think socialism is a word. And words are those things to which stupid people give power and much credence to, unto the point were it dictates and rules there whole life. Now in which camp are you, because the other guy said I am in the left camp I think, or some such. To tell the truth, I already forgot what he said above.


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posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 07:43 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Wardaddy454




Also, those countries started out as capitalist and later shifted towards capitalism with a heavy emphasis on a social safety net.


That's the very thing that most of the left is trying to do.

It is currently working for them, why not us?


Is it? On the surface it may look like it, but when you look deeper..

Denmark is behind only Scandinavia in anti-depressant consumption.
They also hold the most private debt in the world. because the average income is $43,000, and 45% of that is taxed.
Highest cancer rates on the planet, while its health service buckles.
And the icing on the cake, over the past decade, income equality is decreasing.

Is it really working? Or is the fake news media trying to put blinders on you.


Denmark is part of Scandinavia so not sure what you mean by your first point.

Denmark has the highest rate of personal debt but it also has one of the highest levels of personal savings. Net assets are positive

It has the highest rate of cancer diagnosis in the works largely because of its excellent health care system which has a very high rate of detection.

Denmark, and other Scandinavian countries, are consistently rated as amongst the best countries in the world to live.


Denmark's savings rate was -4% only a few years ago.

That high rate of detection only only one factor, but leaves out the cause. Lifestyle choices. Example: A larger than average portion of Danish women smoke. When it comes to survival rates, just 58 percent of Danish men and 61 percent of women are alive five years after their cancer diagnoses. Compared to Sweden, where 69 percent of men and 68 percent of women can expect to live at least five years after being diagnosed with cancer. The US is up there with Sweden, above Denmark.

They must be the best places to live because most of the population is medicated to make it through the day.





So the higher rate is caused by smoking rather than The evils of socialism.

Denmark also only spends about half per capita on health care compared to the the US, yet has universal coverage.

Since US has highest rate of anti depressent usage in the world seems like it's you guys who need medicated to make it through the day. Maybe it's the stress of your high health care bills?


And the lower survival rate would be caused by....?

Denmark also has only about a million more people than LA county in California lol. No wonder it looks like it works.

And yeah, its been pretty stressful after Obamacare, you know losing doctors we were told we could keep, prices skyrocketing or losing coverage for no discernible reason, all in the name of transitioning to more socialized medicine.



posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 08:32 AM
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originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Wardaddy454




Also, those countries started out as capitalist and later shifted towards capitalism with a heavy emphasis on a social safety net.


That's the very thing that most of the left is trying to do.

It is currently working for them, why not us?


Is it? On the surface it may look like it, but when you look deeper..

Denmark is behind only Scandinavia in anti-depressant consumption.
They also hold the most private debt in the world. because the average income is $43,000, and 45% of that is taxed.
Highest cancer rates on the planet, while its health service buckles.
And the icing on the cake, over the past decade, income equality is decreasing.

Is it really working? Or is the fake news media trying to put blinders on you.


Denmark is part of Scandinavia so not sure what you mean by your first point.

Denmark has the highest rate of personal debt but it also has one of the highest levels of personal savings. Net assets are positive

It has the highest rate of cancer diagnosis in the works largely because of its excellent health care system which has a very high rate of detection.

Denmark, and other Scandinavian countries, are consistently rated as amongst the best countries in the world to live.


Denmark's savings rate was -4% only a few years ago.

That high rate of detection only only one factor, but leaves out the cause. Lifestyle choices. Example: A larger than average portion of Danish women smoke. When it comes to survival rates, just 58 percent of Danish men and 61 percent of women are alive five years after their cancer diagnoses. Compared to Sweden, where 69 percent of men and 68 percent of women can expect to live at least five years after being diagnosed with cancer. The US is up there with Sweden, above Denmark.

They must be the best places to live because most of the population is medicated to make it through the day.





So the higher rate is caused by smoking rather than The evils of socialism.

Denmark also only spends about half per capita on health care compared to the the US, yet has universal coverage.

Since US has highest rate of anti depressent usage in the world seems like it's you guys who need medicated to make it through the day. Maybe it's the stress of your high health care bills?


And the lower survival rate would be caused by....?

Denmark also has only about a million more people than LA county in California lol. No wonder it looks like it works.

And yeah, its been pretty stressful after Obamacare, you know losing doctors we were told we could keep, prices skyrocketing or losing coverage for no discernible reason, all in the name of transitioning to more socialized medicine.


Cancer survival rates vary for a lot of reasons as you already mentioned. Survival rates also vary by Cancer types across countries. For example US does very well for breast cancer survival rates but poorly for cervical cancer. I would suggest it doesn't do well enough on any metric for what is twice the spending.

Why does population size have any impact on the ability to provide healthcare?

US health care has been the most expensive in the developed world for far longer than Obama care has been around. That said you won't get any argument from me that Obama care is a terrible system.



posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 12:00 PM
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I mean you or your mother and father or people fell for the bull# of Castro and corp, then your bound to fall for other bull#. Already your telling me that you all dont have a good track record on any of that. What experience would you bring on it, besides you alls past failures?


My mother and father were children when the revolution happened. Your ignorance betrays your pseudointellectual diatribe.



And words are those things to which stupid people give power and much credence to, unto the point were it dictates and rules there whole life.


A word didn't impoverish and kill millions. A system enforced by people did that. That system is called socialism.



posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 01:45 PM
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originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Wardaddy454


How can someone steal something that was stolen from them in the first place.

Please enlighten me Guru.



"try looking it up"


If you want me to look it up. then you are not really The Guru i thought you where.

How disappointing that is.



Socialism is treason against the united states Constitution. YOU will never override Natural Law and our rights to FREEDOM. We dont want your socialism and YOU have to respect human rights and choices. What you are trying to do is force this down our throats. What part of NO to socialism do you not understand?



posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 01:52 PM
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Don't tell me. Tell your government to ban the 50 odd Left Wing Parties that currently operate in The U.S.

Oh, you can't can you. Your constitution won't allow that.






posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 01:56 PM
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Socialism is against the constitution.

The constitution of the United States codifies the rights of property ownership by restricting how and when the government may confiscate said property.

Before you spew BS about what the US constitution says, you should read it.



posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 02:08 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: alldaylong

Socialism is against the constitution.

The constitution of the United States codifies the rights of property ownership by restricting how and when the government may confiscate said property.

Before you spew BS about what the US constitution says, you should read it.



Open your eyes.

Socialist Parties In The U.S.



African People's Socialist Party
All-African People's Revolutionary Party
Black Riders Liberation Party
California National Party
Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism
Communist Party USA
Communist Party USA (Provisional)
Democratic Socialists of America
Ecology Democracy Party
Freedom Road Socialist Organization
Freedom Socialist Party
Green Party of the United States
Greens/Green Party USA
Humane Party
International Socialist Organization
International Workers Party
Internationalism
Justice Party
League for the Revolutionary Party
League of Revolutionaries for a New America
Legal Marijuana Now Party
Liberal Party of New York
Liberty Union Party
Natural Law Party
New Afrikan Black Panther Party
Oregon Progressive Party
Party for Socialism and Liberation
Peace and Freedom Party
Progressive Labor Party
Revolutionary Communist Party, USA
Revolutionary Workers League
Social Democrats, USA
Socialist Action
Socialist Alternative
Socialist Equality Party
Socialist Labor Party of America
Socialist Party USA
Socialist Organizer
Socialist Workers Organization
Socialist Workers Party
Solidarity
Spark
Spartacist League
U.S. Marxist–Leninist Organization
Vermont Progressive Party
Women's Equality Party
Workers Party, USA
Workers World Party
Working Families Party
World Socialist Party of the United States


en.wikipedia.org...

You havn't got a bleedin clue what's happening in your own country.



posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 02:29 PM
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Open yours.

They can espouse all the garbage they want, they will never succeed. Their existence isn't illegal just like the existence of the American Nazi Party isn't illegal.

Neither of those parties, however, have platforms that are consistent with the constitution.



posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 02:42 PM
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Neither of those parties


You mean " None ". Neither means one of two.




Neither of those parties, however, have platforms that are consistent with the constitution


Well lets hope Social Democrat Bernie Sanders breaks the mould then.




Whether you like it or not, socialism is back in fashion and it is gaining support among America’s youth. A recent YouGov survey found that 43 percent of respondents under the age of 30 had a favorable view of socialism. Only 32 percent had a favorable view of capitalism.


www.theatlantic.com...



posted on Apr, 21 2019 @ 05:05 PM
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www.merriam-webster.com...

I was making reference to socialists and Nazi's. All socialism is the same. Except for Nazi socialism. Their socialism is nationalist.


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